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sjbrex
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So this is just a crazy idea I've been toying around with, and I haven't exactly thought of the intricacies and full mechanics involved, but it's something which could be improved upon, for sure.
Also, this is two ideas in one post, so I'll separate them out a bit.
Idea One; Shuttlebays
Basically, add a single hanger bay to every single ship out there, from the Bortas to Defiant. Upgrade Flight Deck ships to two bays, and full Carriers to either three or four (but with restrictions I'll come to later).
For the actual pets, keep things as they are, but expand upon classifications.
Shuttles/Utility
For example, the Type 8/10 shuttles and Shield Repair Units/Tachyon Drones. Might need to add that KDF shuttle to help balance it out a little bit as well. Also flesh out the Romulans with all categories.
Heavy Shuttles
Things such as Runabouts, Delta Flyers, Marauding Force pets.
Fighters
Should be straight forward, things like Peregrines, Scorpions and To'Duj fighters.
Frigates
Such as the Bird of Preys and Romulan Drones, might be possible to make a Fed one if we ever get a full Starfleet carrier rather than the kitty carrier.
So now the groundwork is layed out, various classes and pet classes would go together. With Romulans, this would be difficult, since every ship is classed as a Warbird, but obviously a D'Deridex or Ha'apax will have a larger shuttlebay than that of T'Liss.
Escorts, Science Ships, Raiders, Raptors and Light Warbirds would only get a standard shuttlebay, capable of launching shuttles. KDF, being KDF would probably have some hybrid shuttle/fighter you'd be able to launch from there.
Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Heavy Warbirds would have a heavy shuttlebay, capable of launching standard shuttles and heavy shuttles.
Now, under this classification, it would mean an Intrepid wouldn't be able to launch a Delta Flyer, but given the way they are launched (in pairs x2) an Intrepid would never be able to fit that many in (depsite the seemingly unlimited numbers of shuttles shown in Voyager).
Finally carriers can launch all classes, with some restrictions. For instance, if Carriers do get four hanger slots, having them launch four frigates might get a bit much. So only two slots can launch frigates, the other two would act as heavy shuttlebays, shown above.
Full Chart
Shuttles/Utility
Fed;
Type 8
Type 10
Shield Repair Units
KDF;
Power Siphon Drones
Tachyon Drones
Orion Slavers
Kivra Shuttle
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Tiercel Shuttle
Heavy Shuttles
Fed;
Delta Class Shuttles
Danube/Yellowstone Runabouts
KDF;
Toron Shuttle
Orion Marauders
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Kestrel Runabout
Fighters
Fed;
Peregrines
Stalkers
KDF;
To'Duj
S'kul
Orion Interceptors
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Scorpion (EC/Dil variant outside of Rep system)
Cross-Faction;
Scorpion
Tholian Widow
Jem'Hadar Fighters
Frigates
Fed;
Possible smaller Aquarius variant
KDF;
B'Rel
Far'Jai
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Romulan Drone Ship
Cross Faction;
Mesh Weaver
Jem'Hadar Attack Ships
Cross factions should be kept with their relevant lock box ships as they are currently
Idea Two; An Expansion of Crafting and how Hanger pets are made.
Basically, as part of this, we should have the ability to make custom hanger pets. Sort of taking elements from both Champions crafting and Neverwinter's Professions.
Adding a pet equipment store, where you can buy items such as hulls, weapons, equipment, abilities and from there, using a combination of DOffs and crafting, upgrade, and eventually combine all the items together. For instance;
A standard Federation Type 8 shuttle hull, has room for one common weapon, one common engine, a common shield, common deflector, no ability.
Using DOffs, and possibly particles or maybe even dilithium, you can upgrade the standard hull, to an advanced, which would let you slot an uncommon weapon (such as polaron, tetryon etc) upgrade the hull again, and it becomes elite, gaining a rare slot (anti-proton), upgrade again and you get a very rare slot (disruptor/plasma (other faction weapon slot)), also at the elite rank, it gains an ability slot. This slot should be restricted, given the Type 8's size, to maybe a Polarise Hull 1, or Fire at Will 1.
Maybe using the Type 8 was a partially bad example, and I doubt very much it'd gain a weapon upgrade, possibly a shield upgrade would be more appropriate. It should be noted these hangers don't gain the HP buff Fleet pets do, so Fleet pets would still be a worthwhile option, being more survivable, at the cost of customization.
For a Peregrine hull, it already comes with an ability slot; Rapid Fire. Increasing the quality of the Peregrine hull would allow you to use additional/enhanced abilities and a second weapon slot, allowing you to slot a torpedo. Giving you the option of Rapid Fire 2, or High Yield 1.
As I mentioned at the beginning this is a very early, poorly thought out idea. But hopefully the community could help build upon the post, and maybe it'd be helpful to get some developer insight into how possible something like this could be.
Also, this is two ideas in one post, so I'll separate them out a bit.
Idea One; Shuttlebays
Basically, add a single hanger bay to every single ship out there, from the Bortas to Defiant. Upgrade Flight Deck ships to two bays, and full Carriers to either three or four (but with restrictions I'll come to later).
For the actual pets, keep things as they are, but expand upon classifications.
Shuttles/Utility
For example, the Type 8/10 shuttles and Shield Repair Units/Tachyon Drones. Might need to add that KDF shuttle to help balance it out a little bit as well. Also flesh out the Romulans with all categories.
Heavy Shuttles
Things such as Runabouts, Delta Flyers, Marauding Force pets.
Fighters
Should be straight forward, things like Peregrines, Scorpions and To'Duj fighters.
Frigates
Such as the Bird of Preys and Romulan Drones, might be possible to make a Fed one if we ever get a full Starfleet carrier rather than the kitty carrier.
So now the groundwork is layed out, various classes and pet classes would go together. With Romulans, this would be difficult, since every ship is classed as a Warbird, but obviously a D'Deridex or Ha'apax will have a larger shuttlebay than that of T'Liss.
Escorts, Science Ships, Raiders, Raptors and Light Warbirds would only get a standard shuttlebay, capable of launching shuttles. KDF, being KDF would probably have some hybrid shuttle/fighter you'd be able to launch from there.
Cruisers, Battlecruisers and Heavy Warbirds would have a heavy shuttlebay, capable of launching standard shuttles and heavy shuttles.
Now, under this classification, it would mean an Intrepid wouldn't be able to launch a Delta Flyer, but given the way they are launched (in pairs x2) an Intrepid would never be able to fit that many in (depsite the seemingly unlimited numbers of shuttles shown in Voyager).
Finally carriers can launch all classes, with some restrictions. For instance, if Carriers do get four hanger slots, having them launch four frigates might get a bit much. So only two slots can launch frigates, the other two would act as heavy shuttlebays, shown above.
Full Chart
Shuttles/Utility
Fed;
Type 8
Type 10
Shield Repair Units
KDF;
Power Siphon Drones
Tachyon Drones
Orion Slavers
Kivra Shuttle
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Tiercel Shuttle
Heavy Shuttles
Fed;
Delta Class Shuttles
Danube/Yellowstone Runabouts
KDF;
Toron Shuttle
Orion Marauders
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Kestrel Runabout
Fighters
Fed;
Peregrines
Stalkers
KDF;
To'Duj
S'kul
Orion Interceptors
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Scorpion (EC/Dil variant outside of Rep system)
Cross-Faction;
Scorpion
Tholian Widow
Jem'Hadar Fighters
Frigates
Fed;
Possible smaller Aquarius variant
KDF;
B'Rel
Far'Jai
Romulan;
Chosen Ally Faction Selection (Where permitted by C-Store)
Romulan Drone Ship
Cross Faction;
Mesh Weaver
Jem'Hadar Attack Ships
Cross factions should be kept with their relevant lock box ships as they are currently
Idea Two; An Expansion of Crafting and how Hanger pets are made.
Basically, as part of this, we should have the ability to make custom hanger pets. Sort of taking elements from both Champions crafting and Neverwinter's Professions.
Adding a pet equipment store, where you can buy items such as hulls, weapons, equipment, abilities and from there, using a combination of DOffs and crafting, upgrade, and eventually combine all the items together. For instance;
A standard Federation Type 8 shuttle hull, has room for one common weapon, one common engine, a common shield, common deflector, no ability.
Using DOffs, and possibly particles or maybe even dilithium, you can upgrade the standard hull, to an advanced, which would let you slot an uncommon weapon (such as polaron, tetryon etc) upgrade the hull again, and it becomes elite, gaining a rare slot (anti-proton), upgrade again and you get a very rare slot (disruptor/plasma (other faction weapon slot)), also at the elite rank, it gains an ability slot. This slot should be restricted, given the Type 8's size, to maybe a Polarise Hull 1, or Fire at Will 1.
Maybe using the Type 8 was a partially bad example, and I doubt very much it'd gain a weapon upgrade, possibly a shield upgrade would be more appropriate. It should be noted these hangers don't gain the HP buff Fleet pets do, so Fleet pets would still be a worthwhile option, being more survivable, at the cost of customization.
For a Peregrine hull, it already comes with an ability slot; Rapid Fire. Increasing the quality of the Peregrine hull would allow you to use additional/enhanced abilities and a second weapon slot, allowing you to slot a torpedo. Giving you the option of Rapid Fire 2, or High Yield 1.
As I mentioned at the beginning this is a very early, poorly thought out idea. But hopefully the community could help build upon the post, and maybe it'd be helpful to get some developer insight into how possible something like this could be.
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Long version is this: there is already TOO MUCH combat pet spam in this game that STO is always lagging because of it! And you want to make it worse by a factor of, oh, 200 times????
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1. It makes the ships a little closer to canon. In the shows they launch shuttles all the time from ships that in STO can't launch anything but a torpedo.
2. I enjoy customizing my ships. This would add more options.
:S
However, I think you would have to allow Voyager to launch the Delta flyer (Even if it's only one at a time) as it is simply too iconic to not allow...
I like the idea of carriers having more shuttle bays too. It's all very well calling the Atrox and Vo'quv "Carriers" But they can only launch 12 fighters? Giving them 3 or 4 would be awesome.
Love the idea of crafting and building your own hanger pets. Make S-Class items drop as normal mission loot and make it so you cannot use normal equipment on the shuttles. Otherwise you will have people using "Blue" Type 8 shuttles that are decked out with Maco shields and Elite Fleet weapons...
If you get lag from carrier "spam" (12 lol) Then your computer simply isn't powerful enough to run the game on it's current settings... Nobody in my fleet (Several of us are carrier owners) gets lag or frame drops when fighting one another.
And the flight deck cruisers should have two fighter bays.
And Carriers should be the only one allowed to use frigates.
And there should be "universal frigates" that all carriers can use. eg Breen frigate, Undine Frigate
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I honestly stopped reading right here. The following is my opinion.
No.
We have a hanger bay slapped on everything nowadays. We don't need this game to be carriers online.
2. I've always felt that EVERY CRUISER should have at least one hangar slot. No one would force you to actually use them, I know some people can't stand flying a carrier, but ships like the Odyssey should already have two hangar slots (it's beyond me why they don't).
3. Carriers should have a dedicated support shuttle slot (for the shield or hull repair units). Plus their current 2 hangar slots.
I understand this is truing into Carriers online. I don't mind, I've gotten used to playing Escorts Online. But as much as some of us would like an upgrade to the carrier system, can Cryptic's servers handle all of the shuttles?
P.S. I don't have a Romulan toon, I respect the Scimitar and feel that it should have two hangar slots since it's release.
I've had a full 10v10 carrier battle as part of an event. Not one of us lagged. If you get lag with pets, reduce your settings or upgrade your computer, these do not cause lag.
Maybe it could be possible to add an "uber" Delta Flyer, sort of a cross between the heavy shuttle and frigate, give it some additional shielding, possibly some Borg equipment to make it closer to canon, but with the restriction that you can only launch one, with a 5 minute cool down or something.
Also, I was meaning the equipment for hanger pets would be purely contained with -S class items and crafting.
And I too, am tired of escorts online, even if this change would eventually turn around and buff escorts anyway (Shield Repair Units on a Jem'Hadar Attack ship, anyone?)
I feel overall however it would add something new and fun, while allowing true carriers and flight deck ships to remain unique.
No. We never saw any ships launch any fighter or support craft in combat. Which would be first thing that would happen in every fight if that proposal is realized. This is not Babylon 5. All ships can launch your shuttle for missions where you need it or non-combat pets, that's enough canon.
So NO! NO! NO! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Canon went out the window the moment Cryptic started putting alien ships in lockboxes, dude. Not saying I like it that way, but it is what it is.
— Sabaton, "Great War"
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I was merely refuting the statement that adding hangar bays to all ships would make the game more canon.;)
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
And again in DS9, the Odyssey was supported by Runabouts, sure they came from DS9, but they were supporting the ship during combat just the same.
They were all warp capable ships that were coming along or possibly transported by dedicated carrier ships. But never, ever under no circumstances did we see a Constitution, Excelsior, Ambassador, Galaxy, Defiant, Intrepid or any other Starfleet ship in Star Trek that launched fighters. Fighters were one of the worst things about DS9. Until then no one had the idea to send ships into combat that could be one-shotted except in absolute emergencies (like a Borg cube that wrecked all proper ships). When did Picard order to launch shuttles for extra firepower? Heck, they didn't even do that in the alternate universe where they were at war with the Klingons and completely outgunned.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
It was also, however, the most awesome experience on sto I've ever had.
Peacekeeper High Command
Scorpius - Zelbinion Mk II
Whereas DS9 was mostly layered CG, meaning they could add them in the first place, and also have them more frequently.
2. Every current carrier will have a dedicated support slot for the Shield/Hull repair shuttles.
3. If you really want to balance out the game. Every hangar slot past your 3rd you would require you to sacrifice 1 forward + 1 aft weapon slot. Since you'll be needing your carrier pets to do the DPS for you.
So in essence my Atrox can have 5 hangar slots with NO forward or aft weapons (since it's a science ship and we all can agree it has a support role). Thus I'll have to rely on my advanced Scorpion fighters, Delta flyers, peregrine fighters and Yellowstone Roundabout to do damage. And the Hull repair shuttle to support us all. `
Promote my Boff beyond 'commander' and allow them to have their own ship, that follows you around in space as a battle pet. As an Admiral, this new captain is part of your homegrown fleet.
It operates the same way Boffs do on the ground, with diff abilities based on the Boff profession. Boff ships can be T1 & T2, equipped with up to Captain lvl gear as appropriate for their rank.
Either you're hoping the pet spam will lag people out thus grief them or your favorite ship doesn't have a hanger so you're asking under the guise of all ships getting a hanger because you know your favorite ship(s) getting one would be a flat out no.
I'd take that over some more hangar slots. I have four ships and 20 Bridge officers collecting dust. I'd love to take them out of retirement and call on them during some Elite STF's.
I will lend you my hands if it would help lol
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Now, focusing in on the topic, I'd be all in support for the ability to have other ships having the ability to launch shuttles, but not for every ship. Cruisers should definitely get some shuttle support.
Don't be such a killjoy. Let's make it up to T3 so that I can give my Boff a Dacoit.
That is one of the best ideas I have seen on here in ages !!!!!
However, this game tries to manage the Star Trek experience pretty tightly, and Cryptic is extremely unlikely to do something like that. Also there's not really a good trade-off option--there's no cargo hold on these ships, and the only interchangable slots are consoles and weapons which dont "cost" enough to balance a carrier bay.
At most you will get combat pet devices. I posted a suggestion last week to convert the fighter pets that come with c-store fighters into combat devices, maybe make them available separately as dil-store items, that's about as good as you'll get I think.
No worries i got you covered
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