Hmmm... I haven't thought about that, (the thing is that a guy with a KDF forum-pic oruginally suggested this :P). Anyways, the BoPs needed a small hull/shield buff then or something to compensate (you can't make 11 console ships), what makes this complicated again...
EDIT: How do they already lose a console? Fleet BoPs have 10 as all other fleet/bundle/special ships
Lots of Klingons fly the Fleet Norgh BoP which has 9 Consoles.
2 Lt.coms, and it looks decent unlike the Ho'sus BoP with the the standard layout and extra Tac console.
Does anybody take Sci ships into PVP? With skills in Sensors?
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Hmmm... I haven't thought about that, (the thing is that a guy with a KDF forum-pic oruginally suggested this :P). Anyways, the BoPs needed a small hull/shield buff then or something to compensate (you can't make 11 console ships), what makes this complicated again...
EDIT: How do they already lose a console? Fleet BoPs have 10 as all other fleet/bundle/special ships
The thing about buffing BoP hull is this: That low hull is about the only thing differentiating Raptors from BoPs right now. Really. Shield mod is a little higher, but not really enough to make a difference at fleet level (both Fleet raptors have .92 mods, while the Fleet BoPs are at .88), the Fleet Hoh'sus has 4 tac consoles, same as the Raptors. The huge difference is all in the hull and lower turnrates (roughly 10k more hull). Buff the hull of the BoPs to any significant degree (taking the Fleet Hoh'sus from 24k to, say, 27-28k), and you might as well just scrap the entire Raptor class as it is. In my opinion, the Raptor class never should've existed alongside with a BoP class.
What the BoPs need buffed is the stats that would make them better hit-and-run ambushers and raiders. Buff the impulse modifier to .21 or .22. Increase the de-cloak damage bonus of the KDF battlecloak to meet the bonus granted by the Romulan one (KDF gets 15%, Romulan gets 25%). Decrease the inherent cooldown time for KDF battlecloaks or allow them to decrease it through other options (boffs, skill spec, etc). Attach a hull-resistance or defense-boosting buff onto the KDF battlecloak to make it slightly safer for KDF BoPs to actually cloak while in danger of being fired upon.
The thing about buffing BoP hull is this: That low hull is about the only thing differentiating Raptors from BoPs right now. Really. Shield mod is a little higher, but not really enough to make a difference at fleet level (both Fleet raptors have .92 mods, while the Fleet BoPs are at .88), the Fleet Hoh'sus has 4 tac consoles, same as the Raptors. The huge difference is all in the hull and lower turnrates (roughly 10k more hull). Buff the hull of the BoPs to any significant degree (taking the Fleet Hoh'sus from 24k to, say, 27-28k), and you might as well just scrap the entire Raptor class as it is. In my opinion, the Raptor class never should've existed alongside with a BoP class.
What the BoPs need buffed is the stats that would make them better hit-and-run ambushers and raiders. Buff the impulse modifier to .21 or .22. Increase the de-cloak damage bonus of the KDF battlecloak to meet the bonus granted by the Romulan one (KDF gets 15%, Romulan gets 25%). Decrease the inherent cooldown time for KDF battlecloaks or allow them to decrease it through other options (boffs, skill spec, etc). Attach a hull-resistance or defense-boosting buff onto the KDF battlecloak to make it slightly safer for KDF BoPs to actually cloak while in danger of being fired upon.
Hmmm... Good idea ... Another idea(topic hit and run): 5/1 weapon layout on BoPs
Kinda glad that devs ignore most forum whining. Roms are somewhat OP because of the BOFF traits. But thats it. Roms put real skill points into the efficiency and potential traits to squeeze more power out of their sing core that KDF/Feds get for free. Even after that and plasmonic leach they do not have the same power levels as Feds/KDF. So yeah, it does make a difference.
If your whine is about battlecloaks, then you need to learn how to decloak better. PvE doesn't promote that skill at all, since all the NPC cloakers are story driven and immune to typical tactics. (Silly Cryptic). Just for lolz I stuck a Fed ENG in the free Nebula in PvP and spotted numerous rommie ships while cloaked. EptA is your friend or use one of the many, many other ways stated over and over again in the forums on how to decloak better. Accept the Romulans are back and bring a decloaking method to every PvP match and you will enjoy the match much more.
Kinda glad that devs ignore most forum whining. Roms are somewhat OP because of the BOFF traits. But thats it. Roms put real skill points into the efficiency and potential traits to squeeze more power out of their sing core that KDF/Feds get for free. Even after that and plasmonic leach they do not have the same power levels as Feds/KDF. So yeah, it does make a difference.
If your whine is about battlecloaks, then you need to learn how to decloak better. PvE doesn't promote that skill at all, since all the NPC cloakers are story driven and immune to typical tactics. (Silly Cryptic). Just for lolz I stuck a Fed ENG in the free Nebula in PvP and spotted numerous rommie ships while cloaked. EptA is your friend or use one of the many, many other ways stated over and over again in the forums on how to decloak better. Accept the Romulans are back and bring a decloaking method to every PvP match and you will enjoy the match much more.
While cloaking a lot irritates me ( i consider it cowardly ), i think you are right about it, We need to adapt and learn to beat things, not ask for them to be changed cause we don't like it
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While cloaking a lot irritates me ( i consider it cowardly ), i think you are right about it, We need to adapt and learn to beat things, not ask for them to be changed cause we don't like it
Were it so easy.
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But yeah, this a thousand times over. Change your playstyle to fit the game, stop complaining about the game not fitting your playstyle.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Pwe/ cryptic don't care about balance the lockbox started it the romulans will finish it all they care about is bank balance
^this.
i do agree the discrepancy in ship stats is staggering but keep in mind, the game is now called STO 'legacy of Romulus' of course they are going to me more powerful, it's common practice to make the next thing better than the last, otherwise why would you want to spend money for it.
that being said, personally i find it an exciting challenge to find new ways of catching these sneaky little devils. there are so many ways to 'snoop' out and decloak these guys it's funny. spec'ing high in sensors, using ep2a, an aux batt and the battery doff [forget the name] is just one way to find them.
anyway good luck, have fun!! see you in game.
Don't know why it says i'm an ARC user. i will never use that TRIBBLE Cryptic!
I remember during the good old days of KDF vs KDF (and when the Defiant R first came out and was everywhere) that my fleets science specced ships ran things like photonic shockwave since it really runs a cloaked ships day. That was when anti cloaking abilities were few and far between, now there are lots out there. Problem is outside of organized fleet PvP people on the blue side can't seem to work together to quite literally save their own lives.
I remember during the good old days of KDF vs KDF (and when the Defiant R first came out and was everywhere) that my fleets science specced ships ran things like photonic shockwave since it really runs a cloaked ships day. That was when anti cloaking abilities were few and far between, now there are lots out there. Problem is outside of organized fleet PvP people on the blue side can't seem to work together to quite literally save their own lives.
Should also be noted that PSW had it's range reduced to 3km from 5km, thus making it even less effective than before.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
But yeah, this a thousand times over. Change your playstyle to fit the game, stop complaining about the game not fitting your playstyle.
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Lies. My active camo is better than yours. See, you have Halo 1 elite AC that makes your shields go offline (KDF ships and most Rommie Warbirds). I have Halo 3 AC that keeps mine up (SCIMITAR BABY!! WHOOP WHOOP!!). So there.
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It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I've seen it and agree with it... and I'd like to add what I consider a related issue. With the release of LOR and the attendant ships Sector and Incident space is now FULL of over-powered, over SIZED Romulan ships. I have died in group PVE events because, as I deliver the killing blow, I find myself trapped between two or more of these floating cities-in-space and can't get out of the blast range in time. Why the hell do these things need to be A. so OP... and B. so blasted HUGE?! :mad: (not too mention the absurdity of something the size of a Scimitar or a Mogai with a crew compliment between 1 and 3 thousand being able to turn like a Defiant or a BOP... :rolleyes:)
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Rommies have massive advantages outside of battle cloak.
OP by design.
Correct. By design, the game has been given to the Romulan subfaction on a silver platter with a train of servants on their knees, bowing to present it.
- Romulan warbirds all have Battlecloak inherently.
- Romulan warbirds have favorable stats, survivability, maneuverability, hitting power, and of course, superior Cloaks, and pay nothing for it.
- Romulan warbirds have the superior Romulan Battlecloak; better than "standard" Battlecloaks that the KDF BOPs have, and far, far superior to the standard Cloaks.
- Unlike KDF BOPs, Romulan warbirds sacrifice absolutely nothing.
- Singularity "disadvantages" of lesser power are easily, hilariously negated. But hey, the Romulans get free abilities! THAT is a price to pay, isn't it?
- The T'Varo completely outclasses the KDF BOP, and again, sacrifices absolutely nothing for better capability, survivability, and retaining the Enhanced Battle Cloak. Oh, and just to be insulting, the KDF Fleet B'Rel is at T5 military shipyard, while the Fleet T'Varo is at T1 military shipyard. The superior ship is immediately available...
Each of those traits are very good, quite powerful. What breaks balance is that Romulan faction BOFFs can possibly get a combination of 2 of these, usually including Subterfuge as the basic. So you'll have a Romulan BOFf with Subterfuge, Superior Romulan Operative. Stack up several Romulan BOFFs with these powerful traits. Yes, they STACK. Then, have 1 Reman BOFF in there somewhere with Subterfuge & Superior Infiltrator, to boost the duration of the decloaking bonus damage (among other things).
- Non Romulans can get the Embassy BOFFs, but only the Tactical Male variants can possibly get the Subterfuge / Superior Operative combo. Romulan faction BOFFs can get this combination for ALL... TAC, SCI, ENG BOFFs. And I repeat, these BOFF traits *stack*.
The ships are already leagues ahead of Fed & KDF ships. The BOFFs are what completely breaks it.
THIS is why the KDF keeps getting nerfed and nerfed.... here is how I see it,,,
ROM: #1, Over-Powered
FED: #2, Indulged
KDF: #3, Ignored (We Got Lvl 1-50 SO WHAT? That is ALL They Did... No New VA Ship SINCE BORTASQU'! Etc etc etc... bug etc... Gorn are nerfed... etc etc... ETC ETC ETC!
Anyways.... you are right. They overpowerd romulans to get A TON of money faster... but they are REALLY taking out 2 factions that HAVE money.
"Ones filled with Greed think rather irrationally. Although they may do things for others to get the money, in the end, it hurts more than it helps. A wise Vulcan once said, "The Needs of the Many, Outweigh The Needs of the Few." In this case... I assume it is "The Needs of the Few, Outweigh The Needs of the Many." We have already seen how the Romulan Republic have been indulged... even more so than the Federation has ever been. This.... Cryptic matter... is done. We can neither change it nor take it away. It is by the will of who ever so supplies us with these materials to change. And... may the Coordinated Battle Services (CBS) find out soon of this terrible feat.
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Go Romulan or go home is a sad ordeal. I had suspected it was imbalanced but I had no idea.. (since I rarely pvp, since gangrape just isn't fun to me.) Well, I kinda had an idea after looking through my combat logs last night. It said this rom had 40k dps.. it's broke right?? My log i mean..
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Go Romulan or go home is a sad ordeal. I had suspected it was imbalanced but I had no idea.. (since I rarely pvp, since gangrape just isn't fun to me.) Well, I kinda had an idea after looking through my combat logs last night. It said this rom had 40k dps.. it's broke right?? My log i mean..
I don't get this. If you don't PvP why do you care how good the Romulan ships are? Lockbox ships are still better. If their not shooting at you why care so much how good they are if your rig can PvE just fine. Note: all the ships can PvE just fine (Galaxy class included). If you like your ship, enjoy it. If you want a Romulan then role one.
I don't get this. If you don't PvP why do you care how good the Romulan ships are? Lockbox ships are still better. If their not shooting at you why care so much how good they are if your rig can PvE just fine. Note: all the ships can PvE just fine (Galaxy class included). If you like your ship, enjoy it. If you want a Romulan then role one.
Because maybe I would like to pvp sometime and not have to pay to win?
Does it occur to you that maybe ppl would pvp if pvp were worth a ****? No, probably not.
So one must spend to win.
How about those real-time server population stats Cryptic? I'd be curious to see the numbers and figures. Especially after the LOR expansion. But I don't need to see them. The stock market figures tell the story perfectly.
Anyway, it's absolutely TRIBBLE that romulans are OP compared to feds or kdf. It's obvious that Cryptic isn't concered at all with the contiunity of the star trek universe, and is completely interested in its monetization.
Post-Lor rolling another char = no way no how. 300+k dil to gear up? When it took me all of ZERO pre-LOR. No thanks.
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I've been away from the game for a while and haven't really done that much PvP in my Romulan toon. You often saw in DS9 that when the Defiant was badly damaged their cloak would go offline. Perhaps when your hull health drops bellow 20% you can't cloak, say it's because powers needed for the structural integrity field or something.
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I talking about theese things for 2 months, its totaly unfair that amount of advantage of Romulans. Its most cowardish fight ever in any game. In month or two, on pvp all wil be romulans, pvp will look like cloaked romulans search eich other on map. I can understand that some newbie pvp-er wants to play like that, kill from cloak in 2-3 seconds, with bo, dem and doffs, because lack of skill, but i cant understand that some of the best tacticians, like MT from Pandas, allow himself to be such a coward, and play that way; he is 90 percent of the match cloaked, he pick target, approach from behind, and watch what is on cooldown, then bo from cloak, destroy target in 2 seconds, if someone get him in trac beam, or start shooting, he drop singularity, evasive, escape and cloak again. And there is notway to get him, because he is always on more then 10 km from battle, watching for chances, so you cannot uncloak him except if you are lucky. Its most cowardish way of playing ever, on any game. I saw many people stoping playing pvp because of that exploit, if i may say that, they simply dont want to build romulan character, and play like coward.
Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
Because maybe I would like to pvp sometime and not have to pay to win?
Does it occur to you that maybe ppl would pvp if pvp were worth a ****? No, probably not.
You said you rarely PvP'd. Now your singing a different tune. Also thanks for mind reading session, you have the accuracy of Freud talking about a two-year-old's urges to take a **** :rolleyes: People who PvP regularly come back regardless of what you say. People who don't usually just got to 50, realized that the PvE content that they leveled on is stupidly easy and now have to learn how to play the game and push skills and ships to the limit to compete. So they quit instead. They can learn to PvP and compete but most don't. Or blame P2W. Aside from the temporal nonsense, bugs, and Romulan Boffs P2W (not really P2W but OP) is over-rated. Generally speaking if it came from a lockbox its OP in some fashion but only a few things are game breaking for non P2W players.
This wasn't something new that LOR brought. It was around back in November when I first started playing. It's how this MMO roles. Personally, I don't touch lockbox stuff and I can hold my own just fine. Not just as a Romulan but also in other toons from other factions. Just learn to role your eyes and the kids and their bugs or premades beating up on PUGs. Any online community will have that.
BS. Feds and KDF can and do compete in PvP just fine. I PvP half in a a KDF toon and half in a Romulan. I do about equally well with the two toons. Assuming arguendo that Romulans are better than everyone else they still don't cost a penny to role.
Anyway, it's absolutely TRIBBLE that romulans are OP compared to feds or kdf. It's obvious that Cryptic isn't concered at all with the contiunity of the star trek universe, and is completely interested in its monetization.
Really, you just figured this out? The lockboxes didn't give away Cryptic's intentions on continuity? I agree the lockboxes are idiotic for immersion. Like a large number of people I play because I like trek stuff. The trek community has been without alot of support in games and movies for years. The stuff we are getting (JJ & STO) really don't fit the bill all that well but its what we have.
Post-Lor rolling another char = no way no how. 300+k dil to gear up? When it took me all of ZERO pre-LOR. No thanks.
Ok pre-LOR and post-LOR gearing of toons for PvP is not much different. Your time is spent on grining Rep, dil goes to your omega/nukara/romulan/fleet gear and your EC is spent on MK XII weapons. So I fail to see the big difference pre and post LOR. If there is one, it's because the tier 5 SB TRIBBLE hit the market about the same time and that stuff is ridiculous. And alot people like myself don't have access to it.
As for Pve. Seriously, you can do ESTFs with a recent lvl 50 and TRIBBLE gear. You just need to know what your doing.
I talking about theese things for 2 months, its totaly unfair that amount of advantage of Romulans. Its most cowardish fight ever in any game. In month or two, on pvp all wil be romulans, pvp will look like cloaked romulans search eich other on map. I can understand that some newbie pvp-er wants to play like that, kill from cloak in 2-3 seconds, with bo, dem and doffs, because lack of skill, but i cant understand that some of the best tacticians, like MT from Pandas, allow himself to be such a coward, and play that way; he is 90 percent of the match cloaked, he pick target, approach from behind, and watch what is on cooldown, then bo from cloak, destroy target in 2 seconds, if someone get him in trac beam, or start shooting, he drop singularity, evasive, escape and cloak again. And there is notway to get him, because he is always on more then 10 km from battle, watching for chances, so you cannot uncloak him except if you are lucky. Its most cowardish way of playing ever, on any game. I saw many people stoping playing pvp because of that exploit, if i may say that, they simply dont want to build romulan character, and play like coward.
Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
That is such a noob thing to say do you even know what it takes to make a build that is capable of doing such a thing
First you have to give up a higher tier engineer power 2 higher tier tactical powers 2 if not all doff seatings
Cloak is not being a coward it just offers good strategic options at the beginning of a fight
It sound to me like you've been Rofl stomped and you can't think of a way to fight against this
Here's a few tips cpb, grav wells, photonic shock wave are just a few of the power that will decloak a cloaked ship
Run attack pattern omega and tt1 or epte and Polarise hull alternate between them keep moving don't move in straight lines use unpredictable erratic movements this way they won't be able to tractor you if they can't tractor you most won't go for you
Your saying mt has a lack of skill great way to get help in the game **facepalm**
If you hate it that much go!
Also no I'm not just a romulan user because of lack of skill I have 3 fed toons and 3 Klink toons my fed khyzon will beat my rom tvaro due to higher innate hull resistance and human boffs and also getting tips from people by asking how to counter this type of play instead of crying op and I'm leaving the game blah blah blah
My kdf engineer whom I didn't want to spend much grind on runs a mirror Qin which cost me 25k ec from a fleet friend it runs ec shields deflector and engines it can roll in kerrat and take several cloaked alphas and come out the other side granted it couldn't destroy anything without help but I can still compete and it cost me about 200k ec for the whole get up
Sounds to me like your the one with lack of skill and your set in your ways not willing to move with the times
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I talking about theese things for 2 months, its totaly unfair that amount of advantage of Romulans. Its most cowardish fight ever in any game. In month or two, on pvp all wil be romulans, pvp will look like cloaked romulans search eich other on map. I can understand that some newbie pvp-er wants to play like that, kill from cloak in 2-3 seconds, with bo, dem and doffs, because lack of skill, but i cant understand that some of the best tacticians, like MT from Pandas, allow himself to be such a coward, and play that way; he is 90 percent of the match cloaked, he pick target, approach from behind, and watch what is on cooldown, then bo from cloak, destroy target in 2 seconds, if someone get him in trac beam, or start shooting, he drop singularity, evasive, escape and cloak again. And there is notway to get him, because he is always on more then 10 km from battle, watching for chances, so you cannot uncloak him except if you are lucky. Its most cowardish way of playing ever, on any game. I saw many people stoping playing pvp because of that exploit, if i may say that, they simply dont want to build romulan character, and play like coward.
Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
that's standard practice for pvp players :P Use the latest op stuff whatever just to get the advantage and kill your opponent without mercy preferably in 2 -3 sec. Never pug........ "they have some disease and are unable to win " when playing pvp always go with a pre made team and crush everyone 15-0 is to be expected ITS FUN, and dont forget to zone type "great match guys" to make it even more epic !!!
I talking about theese things for 2 months, its totaly unfair that amount of advantage of Romulans. Its most cowardish fight ever in any game. In month or two, on pvp all wil be romulans, pvp will look like cloaked romulans search eich other on map. I can understand that some newbie pvp-er wants to play like that, kill from cloak in 2-3 seconds, with bo, dem and doffs, because lack of skill, but i cant understand that some of the best tacticians, like MT from Pandas, allow himself to be such a coward, and play that way; he is 90 percent of the match cloaked, he pick target, approach from behind, and watch what is on cooldown, then bo from cloak, destroy target in 2 seconds, if someone get him in trac beam, or start shooting, he drop singularity, evasive, escape and cloak again. And there is notway to get him, because he is always on more then 10 km from battle, watching for chances, so you cannot uncloak him except if you are lucky. Its most cowardish way of playing ever, on any game. I saw many people stoping playing pvp because of that exploit, if i may say that, they simply dont want to build romulan character, and play like coward.
Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
So let me get this straight... you get your butt slapped around by a tactic that is SMART... and you call it unfair...
So let me ask you this. How is fighting smart being cowardly? Isn't this exactly what KDF BoPs spend their whole lives doing? There is nothing cowardly about using what is given to you. And there are so many hard counters to cloaking that it's just silly to complain about this.
All I can say is grow up, learn the game, and after all your attempts at decloaking/beating cloakers have failed, then you ask for help on how to beat them instead of call OP and cry for nerfs.
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
I don't mind the proliferation of superior cloaking technology for the Romulans. After all, it is they who originally developed cloaks (Klingons got it from them in trade; In return, the Romulans got badly needed D7 cruisers; Their ship design and power supplies were terrible back in TOS days), and continued to push their development and refinement.
What I do mind is the sheer amount of advantages given to them, at no cost in design and gameplay. Again, the ships pay for nothing to have the advantages. But their BOFF & Trait design completely and utterly breaks balance.
If you're a regular KDF or Federation player, even if you don't PVP, you should care a whole damn lot. Because there are places you PVE and compete with each other for ranking. He/She who does the most pew, gets 1st place and gets the kewl lewtz. The Romulans already enter this fight with huge advantages to be taken up on.
No design and setup with regular KDF or Federation players can even come close to the setup and advantages the Romulans get.
Lol, instead to point arguments, you talking that im low So expected
Yes, it is cowardish way of play, you can be cloaked for 90 percent of the match, decloak, kill, escape... what is cowardish more then that? If we fight, stand and fight, no to hit me from behind and when i start to shoot, you escape like **sy
I know ways to deal with romulans and that kind of attacks on me, i have fleet, we are all pvp-ers, but we dont speak here that is imposible to kill and decloak romulans, we are saying that Romulans are overpowered in compare with FED/KDF. Yes, you can drop particle burst, photonic, etc, but if u know they are in range. If they have only little brain, they will not be in range, they will pick target, watch for what that target using, and pick a moment, then decloak, bo dem doff crit, and kill for few seconds (i saw players who can kill you in less then 2 seconds that way, for example MT, Snakie, etc), if your teammate try to track him, or intercept, he drops singulartiy, evasive, and escape to cloak again. How that is not cowardish?
Other thing, i didnt say MT is low player, read again, i sead he is maybe best tactician in the game, i saw him in bug ship, he was - more then excelent, i admired him; and now, way he is fighting on his romulan toon - its discusting, i would spit on him if i can.
B'rel is very flexible compare to t'varo though I'm honestly confused why the t'varo has 3 back weapons, better console layout is debatable tact consoles aren't the end all be all. With one more tact console you won't see that large of a jump in dps. The b'rel how ever even with its lower hp can invest skill points better and not have to worry about the power drain that romulan ships have to deal with, which is a overall -40. A skilled B'rel pilot will have a much more durable ship.
But your first point in that romulan loose nothing that is so false.. ok for one thing singularity cores hamper skill builds requiring us to invest heavily in power to get the same durability that kdf and fed get base line. even elite singularity cores only give us 10 of that lost power, and 30 at max singularity charge( please note that at max charge our battle cloak is worse then klingon's cloak) . Our ships out of cloak turn slower as well.
I do not deny there are some things that need to be changed like stacking boff passives, and klingon shield mods.. But other then that they all have their individual strengths and weaknesses you, just have to adapt to the way your ship works.
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Lots of Klingons fly the Fleet Norgh BoP which has 9 Consoles.
2 Lt.coms, and it looks decent unlike the Ho'sus BoP with the the standard layout and extra Tac console.
Does anybody take Sci ships into PVP? With skills in Sensors?
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When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
Oh, i see... Didn't notice the Norgh has only 9 consoles...
And yes, i PvP with my Wells, but with other skills than sensors...
The thing about buffing BoP hull is this: That low hull is about the only thing differentiating Raptors from BoPs right now. Really. Shield mod is a little higher, but not really enough to make a difference at fleet level (both Fleet raptors have .92 mods, while the Fleet BoPs are at .88), the Fleet Hoh'sus has 4 tac consoles, same as the Raptors. The huge difference is all in the hull and lower turnrates (roughly 10k more hull). Buff the hull of the BoPs to any significant degree (taking the Fleet Hoh'sus from 24k to, say, 27-28k), and you might as well just scrap the entire Raptor class as it is. In my opinion, the Raptor class never should've existed alongside with a BoP class.
What the BoPs need buffed is the stats that would make them better hit-and-run ambushers and raiders. Buff the impulse modifier to .21 or .22. Increase the de-cloak damage bonus of the KDF battlecloak to meet the bonus granted by the Romulan one (KDF gets 15%, Romulan gets 25%). Decrease the inherent cooldown time for KDF battlecloaks or allow them to decrease it through other options (boffs, skill spec, etc). Attach a hull-resistance or defense-boosting buff onto the KDF battlecloak to make it slightly safer for KDF BoPs to actually cloak while in danger of being fired upon.
Hmmm... Good idea ... Another idea(topic hit and run): 5/1 weapon layout on BoPs
If your whine is about battlecloaks, then you need to learn how to decloak better. PvE doesn't promote that skill at all, since all the NPC cloakers are story driven and immune to typical tactics. (Silly Cryptic). Just for lolz I stuck a Fed ENG in the free Nebula in PvP and spotted numerous rommie ships while cloaked. EptA is your friend or use one of the many, many other ways stated over and over again in the forums on how to decloak better. Accept the Romulans are back
While cloaking a lot irritates me ( i consider it cowardly ), i think you are right about it, We need to adapt and learn to beat things, not ask for them to be changed cause we don't like it
Were it so easy.
- The Arbiter
But yeah, this a thousand times over. Change your playstyle to fit the game, stop complaining about the game not fitting your playstyle.
^this.
i do agree the discrepancy in ship stats is staggering but keep in mind, the game is now called STO 'legacy of Romulus'
that being said, personally i find it an exciting challenge to find new ways of catching these sneaky little devils.
anyway good luck, have fun!! see you in game.
Should also be noted that PSW had it's range reduced to 3km from 5km, thus making it even less effective than before.
''You may wish to do the same, Arbiter, but take heed: your armor's system is not as ... new as ours. Your camouflage will not last forever.'' -Rtas 'Vadum
Lies. My active camo is better than yours. See, you have Halo 1 elite AC that makes your shields go offline (KDF ships and most Rommie Warbirds). I have Halo 3 AC that keeps mine up (SCIMITAR BABY!! WHOOP WHOOP!!). So there.
XD.
Correct. By design, the game has been given to the Romulan subfaction on a silver platter with a train of servants on their knees, bowing to present it.
- Romulan warbirds all have Battlecloak inherently.
- Romulan warbirds have favorable stats, survivability, maneuverability, hitting power, and of course, superior Cloaks, and pay nothing for it.
- Romulan warbirds have the superior Romulan Battlecloak; better than "standard" Battlecloaks that the KDF BOPs have, and far, far superior to the standard Cloaks.
- Unlike KDF BOPs, Romulan warbirds sacrifice absolutely nothing.
- Singularity "disadvantages" of lesser power are easily, hilariously negated. But hey, the Romulans get free abilities! THAT is a price to pay, isn't it?
- The T'Varo completely outclasses the KDF BOP, and again, sacrifices absolutely nothing for better capability, survivability, and retaining the Enhanced Battle Cloak. Oh, and just to be insulting, the KDF Fleet B'Rel is at T5 military shipyard, while the Fleet T'Varo is at T1 military shipyard. The superior ship is immediately available...
If the ships aren't enough of a gift, the Romulan / Reman BOFFs are what break the game balance. This is done with their truly trait gifted BOFFs. Firstly, the traits.
- Subterfuge / Superior Subterfuge
- Romulan Operative / Superior Romulan Operative (very powerful, esp. Superior one)
- Infiltrator / Superior Infiltrator (again, very powerful, esp. Superior one)
Each of those traits are very good, quite powerful. What breaks balance is that Romulan faction BOFFs can possibly get a combination of 2 of these, usually including Subterfuge as the basic. So you'll have a Romulan BOFf with Subterfuge, Superior Romulan Operative. Stack up several Romulan BOFFs with these powerful traits. Yes, they STACK. Then, have 1 Reman BOFF in there somewhere with Subterfuge & Superior Infiltrator, to boost the duration of the decloaking bonus damage (among other things).
- Non Romulans can get the Embassy BOFFs, but only the Tactical Male variants can possibly get the Subterfuge / Superior Operative combo. Romulan faction BOFFs can get this combination for ALL... TAC, SCI, ENG BOFFs. And I repeat, these BOFF traits *stack*.
The ships are already leagues ahead of Fed & KDF ships. The BOFFs are what completely breaks it.
ROM: #1, Over-Powered
FED: #2, Indulged
KDF: #3, Ignored (We Got Lvl 1-50 SO WHAT? That is ALL They Did... No New VA Ship SINCE BORTASQU'! Etc etc etc... bug etc... Gorn are nerfed... etc etc... ETC ETC ETC!
Anyways.... you are right. They overpowerd romulans to get A TON of money faster... but they are REALLY taking out 2 factions that HAVE money.
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I don't get this. If you don't PvP why do you care how good the Romulan ships are? Lockbox ships are still better. If their not shooting at you why care so much how good they are if your rig can PvE just fine. Note: all the ships can PvE just fine (Galaxy class included). If you like your ship, enjoy it. If you want a Romulan then role one.
Because maybe I would like to pvp sometime and not have to pay to win?
Does it occur to you that maybe ppl would pvp if pvp were worth a ****? No, probably not.
So one must spend to win.
How about those real-time server population stats Cryptic? I'd be curious to see the numbers and figures. Especially after the LOR expansion. But I don't need to see them. The stock market figures tell the story perfectly.
Anyway, it's absolutely TRIBBLE that romulans are OP compared to feds or kdf. It's obvious that Cryptic isn't concered at all with the contiunity of the star trek universe, and is completely interested in its monetization.
Post-Lor rolling another char = no way no how. 300+k dil to gear up? When it took me all of ZERO pre-LOR. No thanks.
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Let put an example that i haved yesterday; i queued myself against klingons for all afternoon, i played maybe 10 matches, in that 10 matches all together, i saw maybe 3 klingon ship and character, all others was romulans, cloaks, singularity, battle cloaks, etc. It was discusting to see that, and if they do not nerf the overpower on Romulans, many of us will stop play pvp and go to some other games. It simply isnt fair.
This wasn't something new that LOR brought. It was around back in November when I first started playing. It's how this MMO roles. Personally, I don't touch lockbox stuff and I can hold my own just fine. Not just as a Romulan but also in other toons from other factions. Just learn to role your eyes and the kids and their bugs or premades beating up on PUGs. Any online community will have that.
BS. Feds and KDF can and do compete in PvP just fine. I PvP half in a a KDF toon and half in a Romulan. I do about equally well with the two toons. Assuming arguendo that Romulans are better than everyone else they still don't cost a penny to role.
Really, you just figured this out? The lockboxes didn't give away Cryptic's intentions on continuity? I agree the lockboxes are idiotic for immersion. Like a large number of people I play because I like trek stuff. The trek community has been without alot of support in games and movies for years. The stuff we are getting (JJ & STO) really don't fit the bill all that well but its what we have.
Ok pre-LOR and post-LOR gearing of toons for PvP is not much different. Your time is spent on grining Rep, dil goes to your omega/nukara/romulan/fleet gear and your EC is spent on MK XII weapons. So I fail to see the big difference pre and post LOR. If there is one, it's because the tier 5 SB TRIBBLE hit the market about the same time and that stuff is ridiculous. And alot people like myself don't have access to it.
As for Pve. Seriously, you can do ESTFs with a recent lvl 50 and TRIBBLE gear. You just need to know what your doing.
That is such a noob thing to say do you even know what it takes to make a build that is capable of doing such a thing
First you have to give up a higher tier engineer power 2 higher tier tactical powers 2 if not all doff seatings
Cloak is not being a coward it just offers good strategic options at the beginning of a fight
It sound to me like you've been Rofl stomped and you can't think of a way to fight against this
Here's a few tips cpb, grav wells, photonic shock wave are just a few of the power that will decloak a cloaked ship
Run attack pattern omega and tt1 or epte and Polarise hull alternate between them keep moving don't move in straight lines use unpredictable erratic movements this way they won't be able to tractor you if they can't tractor you most won't go for you
Your saying mt has a lack of skill great way to get help in the game **facepalm**
If you hate it that much go!
Also no I'm not just a romulan user because of lack of skill I have 3 fed toons and 3 Klink toons my fed khyzon will beat my rom tvaro due to higher innate hull resistance and human boffs and also getting tips from people by asking how to counter this type of play instead of crying op and I'm leaving the game blah blah blah
My kdf engineer whom I didn't want to spend much grind on runs a mirror Qin which cost me 25k ec from a fleet friend it runs ec shields deflector and engines it can roll in kerrat and take several cloaked alphas and come out the other side granted it couldn't destroy anything without help but I can still compete and it cost me about 200k ec for the whole get up
Sounds to me like your the one with lack of skill and your set in your ways not willing to move with the times
that's standard practice for pvp players :P Use the latest op stuff whatever just to get the advantage and kill your opponent without mercy preferably in 2 -3 sec. Never pug........ "they have some disease and are unable to win " when playing pvp always go with a pre made team and crush everyone 15-0 is to be expected
So let me get this straight... you get your butt slapped around by a tactic that is SMART... and you call it unfair...
So let me ask you this. How is fighting smart being cowardly? Isn't this exactly what KDF BoPs spend their whole lives doing? There is nothing cowardly about using what is given to you. And there are so many hard counters to cloaking that it's just silly to complain about this.
All I can say is grow up, learn the game, and after all your attempts at decloaking/beating cloakers have failed, then you ask for help on how to beat them instead of call OP and cry for nerfs.
What I do mind is the sheer amount of advantages given to them, at no cost in design and gameplay. Again, the ships pay for nothing to have the advantages. But their BOFF & Trait design completely and utterly breaks balance.
If you're a regular KDF or Federation player, even if you don't PVP, you should care a whole damn lot. Because there are places you PVE and compete with each other for ranking. He/She who does the most pew, gets 1st place and gets the kewl lewtz. The Romulans already enter this fight with huge advantages to be taken up on.
No design and setup with regular KDF or Federation players can even come close to the setup and advantages the Romulans get.
Yes, it is cowardish way of play, you can be cloaked for 90 percent of the match, decloak, kill, escape... what is cowardish more then that?
I know ways to deal with romulans and that kind of attacks on me, i have fleet, we are all pvp-ers, but we dont speak here that is imposible to kill and decloak romulans, we are saying that Romulans are overpowered in compare with FED/KDF. Yes, you can drop particle burst, photonic, etc, but if u know they are in range. If they have only little brain, they will not be in range, they will pick target, watch for what that target using, and pick a moment, then decloak, bo dem doff crit, and kill for few seconds (i saw players who can kill you in less then 2 seconds that way, for example MT, Snakie, etc), if your teammate try to track him, or intercept, he drops singulartiy, evasive, and escape to cloak again. How that is not cowardish?
Other thing, i didnt say MT is low player, read again, i sead he is maybe best tactician in the game, i saw him in bug ship, he was - more then excelent, i admired him; and now, way he is fighting on his romulan toon - its discusting, i would spit on him if i can.
Possible give all klingon ships battle cloak and make the consoles battle cloak.
warbirds and bop should get the best stealth rating followed by raptors, then battle cruisers and fed ships that can use that console.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Advanced_Escort
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Heavy_Escort_Carrier
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Patrol_Escort
all the escorts above have a shield mod of 0.99, I don't see your point.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird
B'rel is very flexible compare to t'varo though I'm honestly confused why the t'varo has 3 back weapons, better console layout is debatable tact consoles aren't the end all be all. With one more tact console you won't see that large of a jump in dps. The b'rel how ever even with its lower hp can invest skill points better and not have to worry about the power drain that romulan ships have to deal with, which is a overall -40. A skilled B'rel pilot will have a much more durable ship.
But your first point in that romulan loose nothing that is so false.. ok for one thing singularity cores hamper skill builds requiring us to invest heavily in power to get the same durability that kdf and fed get base line. even elite singularity cores only give us 10 of that lost power, and 30 at max singularity charge( please note that at max charge our battle cloak is worse then klingon's cloak) . Our ships out of cloak turn slower as well.
I do not deny there are some things that need to be changed like stacking boff passives, and klingon shield mods.. But other then that they all have their individual strengths and weaknesses you, just have to adapt to the way your ship works.