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tilarta
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Twice now, I've attempted to cloak to get away from enemy vessels, only for them to keep shooting my ship.
Surely, this should not be possible, since a cloak means you can't target a ship.
It's like shooting at the invisible person, can't hit what you can't see.
This is just further reaffirmation (like I needed it!) that cloaking is pointless in STO.
Surely, this should not be possible, since a cloak means you can't target a ship.
It's like shooting at the invisible person, can't hit what you can't see.
This is just further reaffirmation (like I needed it!) that cloaking is pointless in STO.
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Beam and Cannons firing in thier fire pattern will keep firing even after you cloak until they finish thier firing pattern. i.e. a beam array shoots 4 times. If you start cloaking at the 1st shot all the other 3 shots will keep shooting even after you've fully cloaked.
If the npc's detection value is higher than your cloak value, they can see you and shoot at you.
Cloaking won't stop the CURRENT attack pattern, it stops the NEXT attack pattern.
As a Romulan you should have put at least 6 points in Starship Stealth skill. How many did you put in yours?
I habitually decloak - alpha kill vault weavers - recloak while under fire in the Vault: Ensnared mission. I take a few hits from the current firing pattern of the weaver's escorts, but once thier current attack is done they stop firing and wander off.
My Aux is usually around 50 and with 6 points in stealth they never keep attacking after the initial volley.
If you are trying to use battlecloak to escape from a mob with very little hull left, like 20%, you will die. In those situations I use the Singularity power Quantum Absorption to get a temporary 100 hull and cloak before evading away. I still get a major pounding but the temp hull takes the hits and they stop shooting soon after.
Battlecloak is not an Instant effect. If you take that into account, it's a very powerful tool. But like all tools you have to know how to use it well.
And knowing is half the battle.
^ Did not know this.
To the OP
Have you ever watched somebody cloak? It's not an instant effect you cloak over a few seconds.
Cloaking works but at point blank range it's less effective.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
That is what I found suspicious, I thought I'd just have to endure the current salvo and then be in the clear.
But they kept firing.
And then the freighter which hadn't been shooting at me locked on as well!
I have no points in Stealth at the moment, I'm pretty low level and all my points are being spent on the core skills.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
I suspect it's an Elachi trait or something after all thier missions are against cloaking ships and unless they have an ability to defeat cloaks the missions will be too easy. just cloak and recover.
The Borg are actually easy to spoof. Even the uber deadly gates can be passed by cloaking and flying past them. no need to keep your distance.
I just checked where Starship Stealth is in the list.
It's Commander and I'm Subcommander.
So it's impossible to spec that skill at this time.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
The closer you are the better they can see you.
Stealth + Aux vs Sensors + Aux
And at your level you probably have 15 power to Aux.
If I ask you a question it is not an insult but a genuine attempt to understand why.
When I insult you I won't be discreet about it, I will be precise and to the point stupid.
^ This...
You could cloak and be out of firing range but npc's can still have you targeted...doesn't mean they will fire but its hard to tell since even through cloak they have you targeted.
Plus like it has been mentioned, the higher your singularity power the weaker your cloak is so its best to dump a power before you cloak. (If you're trying to escape death it's best to dump it Quantum Absorption, Warp Shadows, or Singularity jump depending on your level.)
I love doing that!
Just the idea of people trying to figure out "Which one is actually him?" when I'm 35 km away!
(Plus the stealth boost from that can't hurt)
And singularity jump is just too dramatic not to.
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
LTS, here since...when did this game launch again?
In point of fact, I have no idea what the Singularity charge level is because I chose to hide that window.
And yes, there is method to my madness.
In the past, I've become very familiar with "rage mechanic" skills.
And the lesson I learned is, if you become overly dependent on "raging" to fight, you become incapable when you have no "rage charge".
If you're wondering what rage mechanic is, Singularity is one.
Basically, you build up a charge from combat.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Then maybe Romulan's aren't for you. You're hurting yourself if you aren't at least using Singularity Jump. There is really no way you should become dependent on Singularity.
Singularity it nothing like rage really...its just a bar that slowly charges up...doesn't matter if your full charge or only two blocks your singularity is going to go one cooldown. You don't get more of a charge if you take damage and you don't get more charge if you crit hit.
And on a semi-related note, or maybe a word of warning, depending on which side of "hunter" and "prey" you want to be a part of.
Then you just discovered why your cloak does not work since when it's full your cloak is useless.
Also your method is pretty flawed, since it does not take much to charge the Singularity.
As a point of fact, Singularity powers are not really a rage mechanic. They're closer to a Limit Break if you want to call it by the name of something else.
Further, even if you ignore it, it doesn't change the fact you are actually dependant on Singularity charge as a Romulan. The balance for Romulans is that they get a penalty to all native energy levels (-40 I think) but in return get Romulan Battle Cloak (which is slightly superior to Klingon Battle Cloak I think) and Singularity Powers and the Singularity Core.
Singularity Cores and Warp Cores are very different from one another, they are statted so differently that you cannot look at them in the same way.
To ignore your singularity powers is, basically, to play like you're leaving your highest level Bridge Officer slot open. Except that each Singularity ability is signficantly more powerful than anything a BOff can do. Provided, you don't need to use the abilities often, but they are exceptionally useful when you do need them and can be the difference between living and dying in many circumstances.
As has also been pointed out, there is an inverse relationship to the lelvel of Singularity Power and the effectiveness of the Cloaking Device. By turning off your Singularity meter, you deny yourself pertinent information and artificially increase the difficulty of gameplay.
It's not a Rage mechanic, as it's not spending various amounts of Singularity on various powers. They're very much a single, game-changing shot, and you have to choose both which and when, since the effect is better with higher power, but the cooldown gets stronger as well, up to a minute not counting the up to a minute time to build up. So they are pretty much an extra Captain Power of sorts.
Like I don't have enough to do monitoring ability cooldowns, I've got to watch the Singularity meter/power too?
Now I remember why I wanted to remove the Singularity core and replace it with a Standard Warp Core during the beta test.
And I don't believe Singularity is the only reason to play Romulans.
It's one minor aspect of an entire faction.
There's so many other reasons to play Romulan.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
Or you could continue to gimp yourself but not using them...
But yes, you've got be aware of it. You're not 'Dumping' power into it, since the whole thing builds and drains passively.
Also, make absolutely sure you get far away whilst cloaking-as noted NPCs keep target lock for a heinous amount of time and don't treat perception in the same way players do. On the other hand, they're often completely blind if you cloak before you get in range of them or you get far enough away. It's seriously ridiculous-you can go right up to their 'faces' most times.
Then use those other reasons. Invest in Subterfuge boffs. Stacking those will more than overcome the negative stealth you'll get from full singularity charge.
This is my bridge officer loadout:
Reman Borg (Tactical).
Engineering Borg (Starfleet).
Romulan Borg (Science).
Android (Engineering).
I've already decided these 4 are all I need and I have no interest in collecting more Boffs to organize.
And please stop advocating using Singularity powers.
Just because I've been given an ability in no way means I have to use it.
Not if I don't want to.
Also, I think Cryptic just made them all up anyway, I don't recall Romulan ships in the show generating warp shadows, quantum leaping, throwing plasma shockwaves etc.
I think it's just a gimmick they added to make people play Romulans.
Bees like honey, they don't like vinegar.
Everytime someone makes a character that is an copy of an existing superhuman, Creativity is sad
And please don't put any points into the stealth skill. It is by far the worst skill for Romulan captains. 9 points in that skill won't even give 2/3 of the stealth from a single boff with Subterfuge, let alone 5. Stop recommending it. It is utter trash.
A properly set up Romulan ship will have +1100 stealth from boffs. That's more than 11x a capped stealth skill. Players won't be able to see you at point blank range with your Aux at 5 from Aux2Bat, and NPCs won't either.
This is poe, yes?
else... lol
Which is why cloaking can keep you alive against players... and battle-cloaking is considered OP... and why cloaking can save you against 90% of npcs... and why I cloak just to TRIBBLE people off who think they have a kill...
I can go on for about two pages as to why cloaking isn't pointless, but you've made up your mind so... cheers!
No, there is nothing wrong with the Romulan cloak. It is working as intended. You can adapt to it or ignore it. Either way, doesn't look as though anyone shares your opinion.
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