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sandyquick
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will there ever be such a thing as a "FLEET Chimera Heavy Destroyer"?
'cause, I would love to get one, but I am not about to toss $300 for the LULZ...
Now that I think about it; WTF is with the expensive Zen costs? $25 on this 50$ on that?
Hmm, can you say, "Oh hell no", because I sure can! I am not spending enough on this game to effectively go out and buy another every month... I have a $300 car payment!
do you PWI/CRYPTIC guys know; guildwars 2 is a one time purchase of a whoopin $50 bucks. just ONCE! period. done. mine forever. it is a much better game too. Think about it!
'cause, I would love to get one, but I am not about to toss $300 for the LULZ...
Now that I think about it; WTF is with the expensive Zen costs? $25 on this 50$ on that?
Hmm, can you say, "Oh hell no", because I sure can! I am not spending enough on this game to effectively go out and buy another every month... I have a $300 car payment!
do you PWI/CRYPTIC guys know; guildwars 2 is a one time purchase of a whoopin $50 bucks. just ONCE! period. done. mine forever. it is a much better game too. Think about it!
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If you spend even a day on STO then you'd be aware that it has zero cost to play it. Yes, you can buy Zen with money, or your can grind Dilithium and get around 2,000 Zen a month for free to buy whatever you want on the C-Store.
As far as which game is better, well that's just subjective to the individual. Some people like football, some like basketball, some like soccer. Whichever one is better depends on who you ask.
*looks to wiki* I stand corrected good sir.
You don't have to pay $300 up front for it. You can subscribe for $15/month for 1000 days to get it.
But buying a LTS to test one ship seems i a bit extreme :-D
Yeah, i know the ship is just a bonus when buying LTS.
So, seeing it as a fleet ship would be interesting, without the DTS console for those who dont
have the LTS ship.
A month? I bought the Regent in a week for the whopping huge price of $0.00. If I kept grinding It would be 10,000 zen a month. (it helps to first grind for extra character slots though.)
I did buy 2,500 worth of zen with cash before LOR was released and cant imagine spending $50 much less $300 at a time.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Fleet versions of C-Store refits would be counterproductive in the first place. And will never happen since it would hurt sales.
As far as the Chimera goes, if they want to put one in the Fleet yards, then the solution is simple. Make the current Chimera the "fleet" ship. In the process, give the lifers/vets a nice, juicy upgrade for their Chimeras for free. A "refit", if you will. Problem solved.
Anyway, it's a fine ship. Just could be a little more competitive with fleet or lockbox ships, as I don't think I'd use it in pvp.
I don't understand what you're trying to say here, as there are Fleet versions of many C-Store ships already: the Regent, Defiant, Galaxy, Intrepid, Nebula, Armitage, and Excelsior all have Fleet versions with corresponding discounts.
Exactly right. I was just thinking this as I read that other post.
I have these 1000 day vet ships, as I have been subbing the game since it came out. I will say as a person who really knows that having fleet versions of these ships would be nice, but what would be better is an Admiral level version once the level cap is raised.
The average Joe Blow, using 1 character, can make 8k Dilithium in a relatively short time and still have plenty of play time to go and do things other then grinding Dilithium.
Unless a fleet version stands to make them some money, I don't see it ever happening!!! C-store ships and goods make them money, fleet ships requiring ship modules make them money, subscriptions make them money, lock boxes makes them money. A sub ship alone does not make them money atm.
Praetor of the -RTS- Romulan Tal Shiar fleet!
As others have mentioned before:it already happened.
And "would hurt sales":hardly, you may have missed it, but fleet modules aren't free, you have to pay for them.
And if you use a fleet ship with an existing T5 Refit on more than one char you actually "save" money if you buy the C-Store Ship first (so you have to pay 1 Fleet Module instead of 4).
And i would like to see a Fleet Version of that, make it 5 Fleetmodules for non Veterans and 1 for Vets.
The Defiant, Galaxy, and Intrepid are all Tier 4 ships. The Regent is a variation on the Assault Cruiser. The Nebula and Excelsior have a Tier 3 variation. The main problem I have with is the Armitage. A player can effectively get a better version for free by just getting the Fleet version since the console is not as impressive as others. If there was a free version of the Heavy Escort Carrier, then I would not mind it as much. Getting the Fleet Version of the Defiant doesn't give the most important part of it which is the cloak. Getting a Fleet Version of the Excelsior doesn't give the Transwarp options.
Fleet versions of unique C-Store ships like the D'Kyr, Atrox, and Veteran ships should be limited to people that have purchased the C-Store version or obtained it through the Veteran Reward system.
And again, most fleet ships aren't free (except the 200k Fleetcredit ships, but these arent good), you (or someone else) have to pay 500-2000 zen for *a single ship*, so they are much more expensive than the c-store ships (if you use miltiple chars).
And if i remember correctly the Fleet Version of the Excelsior has transwarp options built in.
Edit:BTW, you can also get T5 Defiant, Intrepid and Galaxy, and anything else (T3 Nebula etc.) below T5 does not qualify for the Fleet Module Discount.
Fleet ships can be free. It doesn't matter if someone else spent money on it. As long as you bought it through the exchange and didn't spend a single cent on it, then it is free.
That sucks about the Excelsior and further proves my point. You can get a better version of the Excelsior for free. Some people have worked hard to get the money to pay for these unique ships with cash and just because someone else has more free time, they can get a better version for free. Personally, every Fleet version of every C-Store ship except for the Defiant, Intrepid, and Galaxy due to their being free versions of them at Tier 4 should be locked to everyone except those that have purchased the C-Store ship. This applies to the Chimera as well. Ships like the Fleet Science Vessel Retrofit don't apply since while there is a Fleet Version of the Science Vessel. The main version is for free.
And again as long as Cryptic earns the money for the 500 Zen/Module this is not free.
Deliberately ignoring that fact doesn't make the "Free Ship"-Theory true.
(And ... seriously? comlaining that players who spend more time ingame can get ships trough other means like ... with credits or dilithium?)
What is so hard to understand that the Fleet ships are free if I didn't spend a cent on it? Just because someone bought it for $5/module doesn't mean it is not free if I buy it for 5 million EC. It is free for one person, but not for another. A person might have spent Energy Credits to purchase it or given one by a friend, but how a person obtained it doesn't matter as long as one person didn't pay a cent on it.
I am not complaining about people spending more time ingame getting certain items through means like credits and dilithium. After all, that is what the Dilithium Exchange is for. I am complaining about people getting better items for "free" than those that paid Zen for it. People pay for the exclusivity of an item without having to worry that sometime in the future, it will be available for free.
This is the main problem with the idea of a Fleet Chimera. I spent a 1000 days subscribed to this game and the day before it was released, then a person who spent only a month subscribed to the game could get it as well because they bought the lifetime subscription, but didn't pay the time for it. Now the OP is asking to get it for "free". It just shows that some people don't want to put in the effort to get items. Maybe if it cost some outrageous price to justify it like 40 Fleet Ship Modules, then it might be acceptable. Personally, the Chimera should have been available to only those that have been subscribed for 1000 days, but that ship has long sailed.
"Hey, we gave you this brand new, super effective ship (despite it being the ugliest ship in the game since the Orion's efforts), since you put down $299.99 for a lifetime subscription or the equivalent in normal monthly payments, but now we're giving a better version to everyone in the game for $20.00 or a week's time in dilithium grinding."
If they were to release one, it would have to be available to lifers/veterans only, and that would simply be telling someone who has already given Cryptic enough of their own money to get a $20 (or $5, following the C-store fleet refit rules) upgrade to their complementary ships.
But hey, more money to Craptic, right? I'm perfectly fine letting the die-hard gamers pay their money while I enjoy the slight restrictions and less effective free ships of Free-to-play.
The big gripe i and others i speak to ingame (that have the vet ship) is that they already have a bunch of 3 pack / fleet / lockbox 'fully endgame' ships that are hard enough to choose between flying, so the Vet becomes a hangar queen
Tho ofc surely cryptic have access to this sorta data, e.g what percentage of 1000 day vet eligible players already own 1 or more (non-free) 10 console ship? (id bet on the number of ships being high )
Would just be nice to have a final ( if any ) statement on the ship from them to at least let us know to stop going on about it
Totally wouldnt mind the 'new' version to cost fleet modules or such, or they can even half the skills/power bonus and ability/damage of the battle/defense mode and tachyon/lotus beam to make up for the extra console slot for all i care :P
Point of fact: The Fleet Excelsior does come with built-in Transwarp options, as those are not tied to a console. That's why the Fleet Excelsior costs 5 FSMs (1 if you already own the C-Store version).
What you had said before was "will never happen, it would hurt sales", when what has happened is that people have bought both to get the FSM discount. As demonstrated by the Fleet Excelsior, if the ship's special ability is built in, then the Fleet variants will just cost 5 FSMs instead of 4 (but still just 1 FSM if you already bought the ship through the C-Store).
You complain about people getting ships for "free", but that option has always been available to them -- they can trade in Dilithium for Zen from other players, and pay for ships that way. That Zen still has to come from a paying player, though -- every single ship, Fleet ship or C-Store ship, has a cash trail behind it, even if the player flying it didn't pay a cent. Cryptic still got their money, they don't care who paid for it.
Also,
People pay money because they don't have the time and/or patience to grind out Dilithium to trade for Zen. There's no feeling of "investment" in "exclusivity" or whatever you're trying to claim.
Anyway, if Cryptic did add in a Fleet Chimera, they would probably sell it for 1 FSM and a "1000-Day Veteran Fleet Ship Token" that applies only to the Fleet Chimera. This would prevent non-Veterans from getting one, and making the Fleet version an upgrade for 500 zen (which they get through monthly stipends anyway).
I have not said anything about it will never happen due to it hurting sales as far as I can recall. It must have been someone else. The concern is paying Energy Credits through the exchange not using the Dilithium Exchange. The Dilithium Exchange requires paying time for Zen. People can play the exchange to get Energy Credits so it is not an accurate measurement of cost through time. Getting a Fleet ship is completely different than converting dilithium to Zen and buying it that way. Therefore, the Fleet ship can be obtained for "free" while C-Store ships cost something either through time or money.
The exclusivity issue is present especially in the Veteran ships. With the Dilithium Exchange, people are paying time to get the C-Store ships while this is not always the case for Fleet ships. If C-Store ships became available on the Exchange, then they players would complain because they lost their exclusivity. Certain C-Store ships like the D'Kyr and Atrox should be restricted from becoming Fleet Ships or to get the Fleet Version you need the C-Store version since they are unique.
It would also mean ships with special abilities would, well, actually have those special abilities, as opposed to now where most players ditch those consoles entirely.
It's hard to think they would change it now, but it's how it should have been from the beginning.
That's how it was in the beginning, actually.
Tier 5 ships all had 8 Console Slots, and C-Store ships (at the time, pretty much just the VA retrofits of Defiant, Intrepid, and Galaxy) had their abilities built in.
Cryptic then made the decision to give all Tier 5 ships a 9th Console slot, and move the built-in abilities over to a universal console. At the time, this basically gave people more freedom in their builds -- it was looked at as a change for the better, pretty much.
Since it happened before F2P, though, nobody remembers it happening. They just look at universal consoles as a needless waste of a console slot -- "they should be integrated abilities, not consoles!"
To be fair now, I'd love to see those abilities become re-integrated into the ship without the loss of a console slot. It's a sticky proposition considering the current C-Store/Fleet relationship going on between ships, though.