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killgore3232
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I have 3 characters, all engineers. My Klingon has a Kar'Fi, my KDF aligned Romulan has a Scimitar, and my Fed has an Atrox. Of the 3, I have the least fun flying my Atrox. I like the carrier role, but the turn rate and squishyness of the Atrox, leave me wanting to try something else. As you can see, I don't mind grinding for c-store or lockbox ships. I tend to shy away from escorts, and don't want to ditch the Atrox completely, but I am in the market for another ship to play with and switch out for my Fed.
The ships that I have been looking at are the D'kora, the Recluse, the Oddy pack, and the dreadnought cruiser. Does anyone have suggestions about these ships or suggestions about others in the Fed line?
The ships that I have been looking at are the D'kora, the Recluse, the Oddy pack, and the dreadnought cruiser. Does anyone have suggestions about these ships or suggestions about others in the Fed line?
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C-store wise well there's just the escort carrier but you don't like escorts so much, it's leagues faster than your carriers but only one hanger bay and limited(one lt.com) engineering capacity
Worth waiting a few days though, since with these End Of Summer Giveaways going on, I wouldn't be at all surprised if one of the gifts is the Nebula or the D'kyr.
Any other suggestions?
I admit I prefer the Vo'quv over the Atrox but they aren't nonredeemable.
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Wholeheartedly agree with Burstdragon. best investment I ever made for my Sci toon.
The Vesta is "squishy" as well, but the invincible shield console will get you out of most tight spots (it has saved my distracted behind several times).
But before dropping the Zen, might be a good idea to follow Dknight's suggestion and let the community give your current build a once over.
use BO powers right, and stay near the 10KM mark so you can easily get away if things are going really bad. also the right pets help.
though i recently upgraded that char's carrier to the Jem Dread carrier.... now that is a beast of a carrier, i love it as well, i un it with all polaron type damage weapons with the Mk XII jem set. works well even in ESTF's.
If you want to stick to a carrier, then the choice is simple : Jem'Hadar Dreadnought vs Tholian Recluse. Both very good ships for an engineer, but very different ; you will have no trouble making up your mind since they are so different.
However, a Fed Engineer can also enjoy the sheer power of a damage-oriented cruiser like the Fleet Excelsior or Regent. Maybe it's time for a change in your gameplay, this has nothing to do with the carriers you used to fly, and it's definitely not the Scimitar. You may have to respecialize your captain though (skill points and maybe traits).
Finally, since you don't mind earning credits or dilithium patiently to enjoy the well-deserved reward, why not have a look at the Lobi ships ?
The Jem'Hadar Dreadnought is actually the closest ship to your Scimitar, so you may want to jump on it (if you're looking for a similar gameplay) and to avoid it (if you're looking for a change).
Consider the Jem'Hadar Heavy Escort Carrier (not on the cruiser table because it's on the escort table), one of the few escorts/destroyers with full tanking capabilities (e.g. with the Mogai, but let's talk about Fed ships here). It has a carrier flavour, a good turn rate, the raw firepower of a destroyer... A taste of your current gameplay with a whole new world of experiences...
The newly introduced Moonbog would be perfect for you too. It's one of the best cruisers on paper,... but it's new, more expensive than a Fleet Regent or Excelsior, probably overpriced in the coming weeks
If you intend to play a lot of PvP, then your engineer should probably focus on what it does best in that context (own team support) and with that in mind, the Science Odyssey is a frequently recommended option, among others. Again, it's lightyears away from the carrier style, except the size and turn rate.
Quite a few options, and I'm confident that they are diverse enough to make a choice easy.
Still leaning toward the Vestas or the Recluse, but the question is which one since the strategy for getting them is different. Saving up 5K zen straight out, or buying 5 10 packs of keys and rolling the dice for the free recluse, or enough Lobi to get it.
Stats for my Atrox:
Fore: Nanite Disruptor DBBs x2 (MK XI Purple with CritDx3) Romulan hyper plasma torp
Aft: Disruptor turret x2 (blue MkXI CritD x2) KCB
Borg Assimilated 3 piece set Mk X
Eng: Booster Mod MK XII x2, Assimilated Module
Sci: Grav Gen Mk XII blue x2, Zero Point Energy Conduit, Shield Emitter Amplifier (MK XII purple)
Tac: Disruptor coil and ampiplas envelope.
Hangar: Blue Stalkers ans Advanced Scorps
TT1, TS 2
ET1, DEM1, RSP2
PH1, HE2, GW1, GW2
HE1, TSS2, ES2.
Not sure about the Doffs.
I've also got the Vesta pack and must say that with an eng toon it is a very impressive beast. With the right setup you can easily get the Quantum Focused Phaser to hit for close to 5k DPS by itself. Add in the aux-dual-heavy cannons going full blast with CRF and you'll melt a borg cube in an elite STF by yourself provided one of the shield facings is down. And with that same setup the Graviton Shield thing will reflect more damage than you take, making it hit bloody hard, and with FBP running with it you have a nasty rate of returned damage going out in addition to what you're pumping out. I love face-hugging the tac-cube in ISE and hitting the 'perfect shield' right before it pops so I can take the explosion with no damage.
The Vesta is probably the best Sci ship in the game, it's also good as a Light Cruiser or Light Escort. It's adaptable it can do Science and use it's Aux DHCs Some silly people claim that using the Aux DHC's reduce the power of your science powers. Smart people know to stop shooting for a moment.
Your Atrox appears to be focused in a 90 degree frontal cone, that's a problem for a ship that has issues turning.
I use
Fore: Romulan Hyper Plasma, Romuan Experimental Beam, Plasma Dual Beam
Aft: 2 Beam Arrays and a KCB.
The ship has very good all round firepower and the pets help.
As for abilities I don't like your engineering section one bit. I use EPtS1 > RSP1 > Aux2SiF.
This means I only really need HE for clense rather than relying on it for heals, since it's a Sci boat I run Max Aux to spam fighters (since half of them die every kill) with a moderate amount of juice in weapons.
I keep TT up at all times and I use Beta Pattern as an all purpose Damage boost.
For any Sci boat I run I make sure I have PH1, TSS1, HE2 & TBR1 this gives me 3 powers left depending on circumstance. Usually a GW3 with 2 others depending on the ship and Captain. Charged particle Burst is a good close range shield stripper for Carriers as it's not directional like a Tachyon Beam.
Edit: Clarified something,
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Experimental Beam, 2x plasma beam
borg mk12
3x Plasma beam
Deuterium, aux batt, red matter cap, field modulator
Zero point, Tholian rep console, Isometric charge
4xRomulan Embassy +particle generator, + plasma, -threat
2xplasma energy weapon console
2xElite Scorpion Fighters
3x Aux2Battery technicians
1x Transporter Officer (Clears boarding parties with Transfer Shield Strength)
1x Gravemetric Scientist (Aftershock Gravity Wells)
BFaW1, APB:1
EP2S1, EP2W2, Aux2Batt2 (I really need to hunt down an eng and get them to train my boff EP2W3 instead but I've been lazy...)
HE1, TBR1, PSW1, GW3
TSS1, Tachyon Beam 2, VM1
I've tried everything I own and several things I didn't trying to get my Vesta to keep up with my Atrox... I just can't do it.
My Ody can get close, and is a bit sturdier, but she can't quite catch her.
IMO, the only upgrades for an Atrox are Recluse/JHDC. JHDC if you want a tactical nightmare carrier, Recluse if you want to do anything else.
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I have seen you post around a few times about your Atrox. That build looks awesome, but I don't know how to get some of those rare items like the RMC. I have also been prioritizing my Orion lately to finish up her rep, but my fed is next on the list to pick up the rest of the rep stuff. I will definitely try your setup once I get the time to gather that stuff.
The Red Matter Capacitor comes from the Collector's Edition of the game. A year ago they were still available at a good price if you looked hard enough. It can easily be replaced by anything really. I put it in as an emergency backup for my Aux Battery, which is my emergency backup for the 10 second gaps after my Aux2Bat... so it really could be anything else. It says it is supposed to also bring systems back online, but I don't know if its broken or what because it never seems to, and I tend to have enough power overall so other then a tiny bit of aux for the most dire of circumstances, it really sits there because of lack of better options.
Plasma satellites are a strong option, or which ever ones of those are strongest, I rarely use them myself because of the cooldown (5 minutes I think). The Scorpion device pets share a cooldown with both the pirate distress call and fleet support. The Jevonite hull plate consumables would get expensive. A shield battery would probably be best, even for me over the RMC, but I tend to live dangerously hehe.
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I have to say i really need to try this build for my Atrox, she is a sturdy gal.
How do you feel about the romulan rep plasma arrays?
And how would you compare the borg MK 12 to the M.A.C.O. MK 12?
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I don't mind the colour teal. Get the Nukara Console for it's Particle Generators and [Acc] to beams.
MACO would be fine for a Carrier but the KHG has a better Deflector and Engine for a Carrier, shield too if you intend to use Plasmonic Leech.
With all the Sci/Eng available it's easy to get a TSS, HE, EPtS, RSP & Aux2Sif onto the Carrier without hurting ability to Sci. So your not going to be need the Heals like an Escort. (Not to mention lots of Hull and Shields). Last time I used the Grav beam it wasn't very good. I heard they made it's secondry ability of the Disable better, although no improvement in Damage. A Carrier would be running High Aux too.
The Borg Tractor Beam from the set has an Energy Siphon built in so could give a bit more drain to a drain build.
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IMO, for most applications, Borg 12 > all. The free heals are a godsend. 2pc borg + MACO shield is probably even better, but I like the tractor beam. I rarely find the whole MACO set worth slotting, as I find the 2pc borg makes me more sturdy then the extra defensive stats on the MACO deflector.
I find the set that has a stronger draw is the Adapted MACO/KHG set. The deflector is loaded with sci stats. The engines are top notch. The shields come in right behind the MACO one. The set bonuses don't suck. Still... those heals... they are hard to give up for anything...
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Agreed, I just got the Vesta Pack couple days ago... got to be the best thing I have invested so far... (Do like the free Nebula we got though)
I have been on the brink of destruction a few times, and them consoles really do save your skin! and its my 1st ship with a hangar... love it!
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