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Why I think The reputation system is very very bad...
darkphoxy
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For one, what is the deal, you grind missions to get marks, that you turn around and put into a mission, that makes you grind some more to fill... Then when the mission is complete you grind some more to be able to buy the items? Like... WTF?
You guys actually prefer this over just getting some drops from a dungeon and buying your gear directly? which is much faster I remind you...
Ok... Fine, but Lets gets this reputation TRIBBLE fixed, I suggest the following changes:
1. When we do the missions for the reputation we are trying to earn, the mission itself is the only grindy part and it adds up much like Duty officer rank XP. (in other words it shows up on the top bar when you click it as ranks 1-5 and fills in accordingly, just like Trade, recruitment, Diplomacy, etc...)
2. Leave the reputation tabs in the UI but make it just the Reputation Store, and the selection of special abilities area.
3. When we get the marks from the reputation use that as the reputation currency and do away with all the extra commodities and dilithium; or at least reduce the Dilithium cost and make it Reputation marks(Romulan/Nukara/Omega) and Dilithium.
4. Make the missions repeatable every 2 hours or so, that way the people who want to put in the time to get reputation faster can grind them till they reach the rep level they are after.
Me personally I would like to see the reputation section in the UI disappear and the social zone stores come back.
I miss going to Deep Space 9 and meeting other people who where also doing the Omega rep stuff, and would like to see a romulan social area to do the same and Nukara.
You guys actually prefer this over just getting some drops from a dungeon and buying your gear directly? which is much faster I remind you...
Ok... Fine, but Lets gets this reputation TRIBBLE fixed, I suggest the following changes:
1. When we do the missions for the reputation we are trying to earn, the mission itself is the only grindy part and it adds up much like Duty officer rank XP. (in other words it shows up on the top bar when you click it as ranks 1-5 and fills in accordingly, just like Trade, recruitment, Diplomacy, etc...)
2. Leave the reputation tabs in the UI but make it just the Reputation Store, and the selection of special abilities area.
3. When we get the marks from the reputation use that as the reputation currency and do away with all the extra commodities and dilithium; or at least reduce the Dilithium cost and make it Reputation marks(Romulan/Nukara/Omega) and Dilithium.
4. Make the missions repeatable every 2 hours or so, that way the people who want to put in the time to get reputation faster can grind them till they reach the rep level they are after.
Me personally I would like to see the reputation section in the UI disappear and the social zone stores come back.
I miss going to Deep Space 9 and meeting other people who where also doing the Omega rep stuff, and would like to see a romulan social area to do the same and Nukara.
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Personally if they just put the drops back, even at a lower rate, I'd be happy. You would still know how long it would take till you got your gear yet you may get lucky on the way (a nice surprise too).
This would also encourage people to play all the stfs and not just run ise over and over again.
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now in other games you have a items store where you pay with real money or ingame currency.Since this is not other game here you have to :
1.Build your item store (grind /pay for that) ....other games are stupid since they give you the item store for free.
2.Build items in the store (again grind and pay)
3.Pay for already paid and built items
4.Win
and add lots of time wasted waiting for cooldowns.
AHHH the GOOD old days before F2P and this sadistic hungry search for the binge of the orgy grind....unfortunately the few whiners and complainers at that time who cried foul perhaps feel so much better now with how you accomplish LITTLE for so many hrs required to get anything USEFUL....well done and hope their happy
"Ohh my gosh its full of EXPLOITs...shut it down"
All of those things were happening in the RNG system and that was the other reasons for the change, people forget so easily I swear.
- Not optional due to passive skills. To clarify: for me things are optional if there are alternatives. If the rep system was just about gear, that would be more or less the case.
- Horrible usability. Seriously, the dev that came up with those sliders should be .. ashamed
Apart from that I don't have anything against working for rewards. If you don't want to put in the time, just get equipment from drops or the exchange. It's not like the PvE portion of this game is that challenging.
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Oh yeah, and as some have mentioned, the pricing for the lower mark equipment is ridiculous. Plus there should be an option to upgrade mk X and mk XI gear via projects. But that boils down to usability again, I guess.
To the Bold part: Yes, I would take this over the "Random" chance to get something that may NEVER happen. A Sure Thing is always better than Random Chance.
1-3: I like these suggestions. Sounds great to me.
4. Forget that. Why have a cooldown at all? Just let us Que for whatever we want whenever we want.
All they had to do was make the Mk XII gear purchasable for 80 EDC and the problem, would have been solved. Oh well.
I think you mis-understand what I don't like. It's not the grind so much I have an issue with, playing MMO's for many, many years i'm used to that.
My issue is with the Grind, that feeds a grind, that feeds a grind.... How about 1 grind, gain some marks which are used as currency, and the reputation for completing the missions.
I just don't agree with grinding to get marks for a mission, then grinding to complete the mission, then doing yet another grind to get the gear you should have earned at this point.
I'm going for a tweak of the Reputation system more than anything.
Well, the reason is it has to be a time sink of some sort. That's pretty much the reason they have long timers on the missions to begin with, so you can't just max out in 1 day.
They have to give you a reason to come back in the game everyday.(To get your gear, then seeing things they've added to c-store etc. and maybe spend money which is what a business wants is your money.)
But I think the cooldowns should be lower then once every 20 hours so that you can work at them in between doing other things like a reputation system is supposed to work.
I hate to use this example but, WoW's rep system is laid out so that you can be a casual player and still gain the rep. The rep unlocks access to gear that you can purchase using special currencies. STO could do the same thing, the Rep unlocks the access in the store for the items and then you use the marks to buy the stuff. And instead of using marks to open the rep up, using gaining rep points from fighting those units.
SO to get Omega points fight Borg anywhere. The you're building a rep of being a borg killer. Why not do it by killing Borg? This would allow more than STF's to gain the reps and open it up to do more than just STF's to progress in this game. Nukara rep would be by fighting Tholians and Romulan Rep wuld be by fighting Romulans. It's more intuitive and more realistic. As you prove yourself worthy, you get better gear.
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Please no. I am one of the people who ran the old STFs literally hundreds of times for virtually no return.
By the second week of the new rep system I had more benefit and gear than after 3 months under the old one.
I would NEVER want to go back to the old system.
I want a guaranteed return. I don't want to run things forever and not get anything at all.
I would like to see the mark cost of equipment projects reduced. Especially the Mk X sets- look at the data, Cryptic, and see how many people buy Mk X sets. I'm guessing it's not very many, because few people starting out are going to have marks to spare at Tier 1.
I believe that was part of the original plan for Reputation. However, as with much else "done" in this game, there is a disconnect between what is said during the hype-period (we would love to see all Borg-related content, including missions, give Omega Marks) and what is actually released (here, you have 8 places to get Omega Marks. That should be more than enough for you all... :P)
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Crates I come across in ground missions, why would I even bother to look at them.
I have large shield batteries and hypos why would I want so small ones that will just clutter up my limited inventory space?
They need to, at the very least, make it so that as you level up large versions of these items are in the crates instead of the token smalls..
The way STF's worked before Omega was just fine, though I do agree the drop rates could have been a bit more reasonable.
But simply put, Mark missions is nothing but a boring endless grind, you play them repeatedly for tokens for which you will eventually get the reward.
And there lies the flaw.
The old STF's were fun because you were playing for the reward, not some obscure tokens who whold absolutely no immediate value that will eventually enable you to get the reward.
Every time you did a run there was a certain thrill, excitement and anticipation over the possibility of getting the drop, something which mere marks don't give you.
Honestly I don't understand it.
Cryptic clearly understands how addictive and exciting random chance can be, seeing as how they keep churning out lockboxes with rare ships.
Yet they stripped out the very same mechanic from the STF's.
Its no longer a question of just if and When, but simply just when.
HARUMPH
I remember a time when we used to play STF content to get STF gear.
Now, all a player has to do is click a project and they're done for 20 hours.
What was that term used elsewhere?
Oh..."instant gratification".
We need to bring back the pre-Season 7 STF's.
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Actually, they need to bring back the original STFs. Any sense of story is removed from them. However, relying on the RNG to get the STF gear has caused immense grief to too many people. I got to Tier 5 and all 3 Mk XII STF ground sets in under 100 elite STFs. If I tried to do that using the horrid old method, then it could have taken 500 or more STFs to do or just 20. If it can take 500 STFs to get all 3 Mk XII STF ground sets, then there is something horribly wrong with the system. Getting a piece of STF gear for certain is always better than if there is a chance that it is never obtained.
because once you have 2 of them done and waiting for them to finish all you have is the upgrade project left and that project barley takes any time to finish at all:(
Well if you want to do that Get job at cryptic and give them ideas instead of sitting here complaining about it
is that what you do in all mmos repeat something over and over again.. wow you do the same thing everquest 2 you do the same thing guild wars 2 you repeat the same thing.... All mmos I played you repeat the same thing...So no matter how you put it you always end up in the same circle of doom...I played just about every mmo you always repeating something or something different but the same O_o...
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