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Posting to "Old" Threads?

feordilagorgefeordilagorge Member Posts: 247 Arc User
edited August 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I was reading some threads and noticed people being flamed for posting to a thread that has no posts for 30 days. If this is the case, why aren't these threads automatically closed to begin with? As an admin of many forums, it is an easy task using an auto-pruning system that does this without any human interaction.

Just curious.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    feordilagorge wrote: »
    I was reading some threads and noticed people being flamed for posting to a thread that has no posts for 30 days. If this is the case, why aren't these threads automatically closed to begin with? As an admin of many forums, it is an easy task using an auto-pruning system that does this without any human interaction.

    Just curious.

    People accept the rules when they post in these forums and the rules clearly state no posts in threads that are older than 30 days.
    Why do we need to have a machine to do the simple job of using our eyes to read the date on a post and our brain to understand what that date means?
    It becomes even more clear people shouldn't post in a thread when the name of the last poster is "Archived Post" but appearently that is still not enough for some.:rolleyes:
  • tacofangstacofangs Member Posts: 2,951 Cryptic Developer
    edited July 2013
    I've asked about auto closing old threads before. The problem is that Stickied threads are exempt from the 30 day rule, and there would be no way for the auto-shutter-downer to avoid those. . .
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  • gamerjoshgamerjosh Member Posts: 158 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I've always wondered why such a rule exists. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow old threads to be renewed when there is something new to be said, instead of having to start all over again?

    I'm not arguing, just seeking understanding.
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  • chalpenchalpen Member Posts: 2,207 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    One reason why posting to old threads is useless is because sto is an mmo and therefor fluid.
    It is like me picking up an old thread that talks about how rsv is overpowered.
    It has been nerfed back to the Stone Age in the past 3 years and isn't as relevant.

    Of course, the alternative is everyone who listens to an interview podcast creates a new thread to talk about the same issue and the admin then has to combine and move the thread.
    Personally forums are so 1990's
    Should I start posting again after all this time?
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    tacofangs wrote: »
    I've asked about auto closing old threads before. The problem is that Stickied threads are exempt from the 30 day rule, and there would be no way for the auto-shutter-downer to avoid those. . .

    This is why you guys (Cryptic) need to upgrade the forums to the newer version of vBulletin finally. Right now the forums are on vB 3.7.1. If you upgrade them to the newer 4.x.x there is a mod that lets you auto close threads and allows stickies to be exempt from that.

    http://www.vbulletin.org/forum/showthread.php?t=293488&page=2

    It wouldn't be an issue then. Speaking of stickies, there's one at the top here talking about the future upgrade to the new vB. Might be the time to go poke whoever is in charge of that and see what the dealy-o is.
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  • jetwtfjetwtf Member Posts: 1,207
    edited July 2013
    Old threads having outdated info is not really a good reason to have a 30 day rule because there are more threads with current info or is just not something that can be outdated. It is just as easy to tell someone the info in the thread is outdated and no longer applies than to comment on the necro.

    As for the auto prune and sticky issue then whoever is the webmaster here needs to get busy and do some PHP work because that can be changed.
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  • tekehdtekehd Member Posts: 2,032 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Autopruning is unneccessary, the vast majority of people know better than to grave-dig.
  • kirk201okirk201o Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well ill say this, untill now i was unaware of any 30 day ruling .
    I would never have thought posting can cause such an unforgivable issue to everyone.
  • mikeward1701mikeward1701 Member Posts: 277 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I've wondered about the 30 day rule as well, and the reasoning behind it.

    While yes , an MMO its a livin thing, information is rarely outdated or loses relevance within a month.

    There are situations in fact, where information/discussion may move at a slower pace.

    Thinking about it from a tech standpoint, surely starting a new thread (even without copy/pasting information from the old one) uses more memory, than simply adding another entry to an existing thread?
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I would say on a personal account; try to lighten up a bit. The 30-rule is something tha,t is written about and principally very logical (you won't eat a 30-day loaf of bread, do you)

    It not unnecessary to try and control everything. It makes life dull and predictable. Let things surprise you :D .
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Well ill say this, untill now i was unaware of any 30 day ruling .
    In all fairness, the forum rules - " Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies" - are listed at the top of each section of the forum. As in real life, ignorance of the law is no excuse. :)
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • kirk201okirk201o Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thecosmic1 wrote: »
    In all fairness, the forum rules - " Perfect World Entertainment Community Rules and Policies" - are listed at the top of each section of the forum. As in real life, ignorance of the law is no excuse. :)

    Not everyone will read these, im a prime example lol.
    this is the first real effort iv made in any forum ever.
    Im sure plenty of people dont bother to read to law of the forum, its just one of those things some people never think about lol not expecting alot of rules and regulations other than dont be abusive lol
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Not everyone will read these, im a prime example lol.
    this is the first real effort iv made in any forum ever.
    Im sure plenty of people dont bother to read to law of the forum, its just one of those things some people never think about lol not expecting alot of rules and regulations other than dont be abusive lol

    All true.

    Nevertheless, as Cosmic pointed out there are rules. They are posted and people do have to agree to follow them in order to post here on the forums.

    People dig up year-old (and older!) threads all the time, so it's not unheard of for people to go on about things that are no longer true.

    30 days does seem like a short time. Mostly, it is. I suppose the assumption in play here is that if a thread is going ignored for more than a month, it's not really relevant anymore. And most of the time, that's true enough.

    Another thing to think about is that most people don't really take the time to check more than 2-3 pages deep... once a thread has slipped off the front page, its' days are probably numbered. So what tends to happen is that people start new threads even when there's already another active thread on the subject... because they don't see it on the first page or two.

    Thread proliferation is a really good argument for closing threads that aren't getting a lot of attention.
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  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »
    All true.

    Nevertheless, as Cosmic pointed out there are rules. They are posted and people do have to agree to follow them in order to post here on the forums.

    People dig up year-old (and older!) threads all the time, so it's not unheard of for people to go on about things that are no longer true.

    30 days does seem like a short time. Mostly, it is. I suppose the assumption in play here is that if a thread is going ignored for more than a month, it's not really relevant anymore. And most of the time, that's true enough.

    Another thing to think about is that most people don't really take the time to check more than 2-3 pages deep... once a thread has slipped off the front page, its' days are probably numbered. So what tends to happen is that people start new threads even when there's already another active thread on the subject... because they don't see it on the first page or two.

    Thread proliferation is a really good argument for closing threads that aren't getting a lot of attention.

    I see my incident today is causing a ruckus( pls forgive the spelling of tht word lol)
    It was not intended to be a pain, i was pressing buttons to fast and managed to click last page, seen the topic and was curious as to what was said, i did not realise there would be a problem haha.
    But i can see i cause a my bad moment today lol :D so i hope everyone can forgive and forget lol
  • kirk201okirk201o Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Time to rant , a warning for posting on an old forum , who cares if its old, it's not like I'm being abusiive atall, get a grip.
  • seanftdseanftd Member Posts: 319 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Time to rant , a warning for posting on an old forum , who cares if its old, it's not like I'm being abusiive atall, get a grip.

    Facepalm!!! Why be so foolish to post that.
  • thecosmic1thecosmic1 Member Posts: 9,365 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Time to rant , a warning for posting on an old forum , who cares if its old, it's not like I'm being abusiive atall, get a grip.
    People tend to not look at the date on posts, and then they start responding to something said years ago - and that poster might not even be on the forum any more and the idea might not even be relevant any more.

    There's a 30 day limit, it's in the rules, they didn't penalize you in any way, so why make a big deal about it?
    STO is about my Liberated Borg Federation Captain with his Breen 1st Officer, Jem'Hadar Tactical Officer, Liberated Borg Engineering Officer, Android Ops Officer, Photonic Science Officer, Gorn Science Officer, and Reman Medical Officer jumping into their Jem'Hadar Carrier and flying off to do missions for the new Romulan Empire. But for some players allowing a T5 Connie to be used breaks the canon in the game.
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Time to rant , a warning for posting on an old forum , who cares if its old, it's not like I'm being abusiive atall, get a grip.

    Posting in an old thread can happen by mistake, that it's being closed is simply because the last reaction was 3 years old.

    When you make a mistake, it really isn't a problem. You have some guys who like to make fun of a zombie thread (me included, if you've read my reaction it was actually a rewrite of Picard talking to Worf @ ST:FC, i didn't got to do it in the previous 3yr zombie).

    But the fact remains it will eventually be closed.

    Your rant on the other hand, can be perceived as abusive behaviour.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • admrenlarreckadmrenlarreck Member Posts: 2,041 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Most forums tell people to use the search to find the information they are looking for. Here it is the opposite. I have always wondered about this myself. Cause when you use the search function it doesn't distinguish between 30 day old threads and 30 minute old ones. I think this is where the problem comes in most of the time.

    You want to stop necroing old threads add a flag to them that the search will ignore them. Or is this not possible?
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    admrenlarreck wrote: »
    Most forums tell people to use the search to find the information they are looking for. Here it is the opposite. I have always wondered about this myself. Cause when you use the search function it doesn't distinguish between 30 day old threads and 30 minute old ones. I think this is where the problem comes in most of the time.

    You want to stop necroing old threads add a flag to them that the search will ignore them. Or is this not possible?

    There is something called "people's own responsibility" where you yourself are responsible for not checking something simple as a date..
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    What are the odds that someone whose username is 'kirk201o' just happens to necro a thread from 2010?
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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Not everyone will read these, im a prime example lol.
    this is the first real effort iv made in any forum ever.
    Im sure plenty of people dont bother to read to law of the forum, its just one of those things some people never think about lol not expecting alot of rules and regulations other than dont be abusive lol

    And it is amazing just how fast you and people like you cry foul when you're told off for breaking rules.

    It is each persons own personal responsibility to know the rules for where they are, this goes for any games forums (and quite a few have a 30 day rule if you look).

    This even goes for any where in the world you may want to visit.

    Too many people now try to pass their personal responsibilities off on to others and pass blame on to others.

    As far as I'm concerned, you all get what you deserve when you get in to trouble and I have no sympathy for you or people like you.
  • bluegeekbluegeek Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    Captains,

    The rules about necroposting are clear enough. Mistakes can happen and our goal in those cases is to inform, not to punish.

    People who have been warned repeatedly and continue to break that or any other rule are a different matter. As far as I know, this is not the case either.

    However, I would advise against making public statements about having a personal disregard for the forum rules. That's not going to end well.

    I would also ask people to please stop with the hostile responses. They are not constructive and will result in moderation.

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  • jockey1979jockey1979 Member Posts: 1,005 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    bluegeek wrote: »


    I would also ask people to please stop with the hostile responses. They are not constructive and will result in moderation.

    ~Bluegeek

    You must admit, it is not very often people on these forums agree on anything, so it is quite funny how a lot of people suddenly all agree and suddenly work together - on one of the most unusual topics ever talked about :D
  • feordilagorgefeordilagorge Member Posts: 247 Arc User
    edited August 2013
    kirk201o wrote: »
    Well ill say this, untill now i was unaware of any 30 day ruling .
    I would never have thought posting can cause such an unforgivable issue to everyone.
    Exactly this. Most people don't know there is a "rule", thus the posts. I was playing STO when it came out and I didn't know. Do you expect people to read every single post in a forum? Not going to happen.

    As far as not pruning Stickies or whatnot, that's an admin setting in the forums. If not, maybe a better forum software should be used. Maybe something like PhPBB3, which is free. Notice the pruning options:

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