its been fixed all thier willing to fix it, it still procs every 0 to 7 seconds, for at least 1k hitpoints to all facings, all they way up to enough to be a full heal. still, not running EPtS is not wise, sure this is healing you often as long as your shooting, but being without the resistance leaves you will quite a vulnerability to spike
I don't use the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator console in PvP, it's just too damn powerful.
I'll use it in an ESTF though. Absorptive console + 2-piece borg set = no need for an escort to take healing/defense buffs even when getting focused by a gate or tac cube. Means more focus on damage and even faster STFs.
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Unfortunately, yes, it's working as intended (simply search, there's a previous thread on this topic). It's kind of an on-the-fence thing for me. Pretty high heal rate, but the figures are a bit misleading in that the console overheals plenty (healing numbers are counted even if it is over the cap).
However, your healing does seem on the low end for an eng cruiser as well. Could have contributed to things.
You can trust the numbers because it's a 4 minute long 1 on 1 where there was combat going on every second of the 4 minutes. In that 4 minutes a single console healed more than an Eng cruiser.
Sup, I'm the guy you seem to have combat logged here. Why do you keep saying you were flying a cruiser? You were in a Risian Corvette during that fight.
I won't say the new LOR content isn't overpowered, but you should at least provide accurate information. With a lie like that, how can I be sure your logs are even valid?
Also, I love the logic that because some of the heals are wasted that its balanced. -rolls eyes-
It does. I'm lucky to get a decent place in a PvE event, such as CE. But with any Romulan who is using this console, I'm almost never getting 3rd or above. Before I could almost always get a high place a good portion of the time, but with a Romulan, almost never now unless I am running a dedicated healer or something else.
I remain empathetic to the concerns of my community, but do me a favor and lay off the god damn name calling and petty remarks. It will get you nowhere.
I must admit, respect points to Trendy for laying down the law like that.
I don't use the Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator console in PvP, it's just too damn powerful. .
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You say this on the forums but in reality you do use it, and I'm not just talking about you, I'm talking about all the space pvpers here posting stuff like your comment .
So when you post comments like this, i know what your really saying is
"I'm telling you guys on the forums that i don't use these stuff but in reality I have every broken skill and will use it to my advantage!!!!" .
Your first mistake was thinking you can win a 1v1 with an engi.
Trying to nibble someone to death isn't going to work... burst or bust my friend.
You missed his point. He wasn't talking about winning the fight. He was talking about how he is out healed (in actual numbers) by the console as an engineer..
You know Cryptic has Jumped the Proverbial Shark when they introduced Tractor Pulling to Star Trek Online!
Over the coming months/year I am sure they will sell many thousands more Valdore ships - hence - it's working as intended - and won't be changed any more.
You guys are missing a few very important points here.
1) this is a romulan only console. (its never going to be cross faction)... they are balanced partly based on the ships.
2) There is no way that dehlan has high shield power like a fed will have... unless he is moving like a turtle or giving up weapon power.
Most romulan ships that are flying escort style have there shields set to 15-35 or so base power at most.... because any higher and you have to run your engines at 15.... or give up weapon power which no one does.
Everyone that wines about this console has never flown a romulan ship obviously.
Its easy to say ya ya ya -40 power is easy to negate... but that's frankly simply not true. Roll a Rom and find out for yourself.
So they added a +shield console for the romulan warbird that is supposed to be most like an escort... infact with the 2 piece bonus it is spec wise... as it returns the lost defense bonus.
I will say that I would have personly flipped the 2 Dhelean consoles... making the shield heal console only work on the Dhlean with the other part of the 2 piece going on the lowbie universal ship. This console is only really obnoxious on a shim imo.
On the Dhlean.... There is a a very high chance that that Rom player is going to have the following major weaknesses.
- Super low Hull Resist numbers... there are many romulans litterly running no armour as the consoles we have to take like leech + the 2 piece rom cosnoles... + 1 or 2 of the other rom consoles... and boom you litterly have no room any more for armour or at best you have room for one.
- Low overall shield for the same reason... no romulan runs field gens... so yes burst there shield.
- Shield power setttings of 60-100 power... very few romulans run with shield power setttings pushing over 100 in combat... to do that you would have to employ shield power doffs and honestly dedicate more power to the system then you can afford. Ships like the D don't turn well enough with there Inertial numbers to run super low engine settings.
So what I am saying is ....
Go to the hull with TBRs... Eject War plasma... DEM... ect... Rom ships in general go down to these much faster then fed and klink ships with stacked armour.
Go for the power on there shield systems... and kill there resist numbers so bad that no amount of + shield healing will help. In order to do this run Leech (ya everyone does we all lost a console slot... glad feds cried for this) I am serious about this next part... run Target Shields... you will be shocked how often Romulan players will 100% loose there shield because they don't have a way to bring them back on line (you just admited this dude didn't have EPTS lol) With no shield power all the +shield healing won't help him much will it.
Also, I love the logic that because some of the heals are wasted that its balanced. -rolls eyes-
Overhealing applying to scores is broken and something they've said they may look at - because that shouldn't be the case, etc, etc, etc - but overhealing applying isn't limited to this console. Heck, it's how folks broke out their Star Cruisers or MU Star Cruisers (still less than 75k EC, no?) to rock and roll in Crystalline by spamming useless heals and getting points for overhealing to take first.
As for the logic that it's balanced because heals are wasted, was that what they were saying or was it just a case of saying to look at the real numbers and then complain. Broken numbers won't support the claim - real numbers might...which is what Drunk was doing, no?
antoniosalieri, feds and klingons use leech or subspace or whatever just like romulans, the hull resistance you have is up to you, as well as field gens
romulans will use eptX and batteries or rmc, the difference is almost nothing, the is too much gain on singularity powers
After the fix the console seems to work as designed (probably because it is a C-store item)
Now run this instead of EPtS, no definitely only a crazy person would do it or knowing that he is going against someone that does not do any moderate to high DPS.
As Antoniosalieri said power in a warbird is a major issue. You have to switch between weapons and engines and use the Singularity jump. If you are caught you are dead. You cannot tank like a fed escort.
As for Mogai, they were plenty before the release of Scimitar and the cosole fix. Now you do not see so many.
Use the console in another warbird plus the dedicated 2 cosoles up to a total a 3 warbird universal it is not wise. Taking also into account that you have to add minimum 1 more (plasmonic or tachyokinetic or etc) then you have 4 out of 9 for C-store ships or 10 for the fleet versions. Add 4 minimun tactical consoles and you have 8. Without using Assimilated, Field Generator, Nukara console(+5 to shield and 2 piece bonus with DBB).
antoniosalieri, feds and klingons use leech or subspace or whatever just like romulans, the hull resistance you have is up to you, as well as field gens
romulans will use eptX and batteries or rmc, the difference is almost nothing, the is too much gain on singularity powers
Let me guess you have yet to roll a romulan right ?
For the record my bug with a Maco shield and a +power shield doff... will shield tank all day long 100x better then any romulan ship with the valdore console on....
based on that I say its working as intended and just fine.
Are the heal numbers high... yes... it is more broken then shields at 75% resist 100% of the time... No.
You have to roll a romulan before suggesting it is op
Take the scimi for example it has high hull and shield mod but the thing is as soft as a bop
I too asked the question is this console op but when you look at what has to be sacrificed to use it (armour, field gens) it comes at a cost
Plus people are basing their opinion on a system which is completely inaccurate
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i have 2 romulan alts and i play casually in my brother's tac hafeh
the difference is nothing / the console is op
of course the scimitar feels like a bug, the stations are no match for the hull it has, the console slots will never give the resistance that a 40k hull need, the ship is all messed up, with n impulse mod of 0.15 it will allways be flight as a cruiser
i have 2 romulan alts and i play casually in my brother's tac hafeh
the difference is nothing / the console is op
of course the scimitar feels like a bug, the stations are no match for the hull it has, the console slots will never give the resistance that a 40k hull need, the ship is all messed up, with n impulse mod of 0.15 it will allways be flight as a cruiser
Then your feds are setup poorly. Bottom line.
Console is strong yes... OP no... it would be on a fed or klink ship sure... I tend to think these rom consoles though are much different then previous klink and fed consoles... They seem designed to offset weaknesses in each of the Warbird designs... so I doubt they ever go cross faction. The fact that a rom can't go and put them on a non war bird lockbox ship should sum that up.
Considering what you trade on the rom ships no its not OP... heck the borg set still out paces it in terms of pure heal.
Rom ships have weaknesses... they are not that hard to exploit.
When so many things (singularity powers, OP consoles, battecloaks on everything, cit/defence BOFF's, perfect BO layouts) seem to offset the weaknesses of rom ships one has to wonder...
When so many things (singularity powers, OP consoles, battecloaks on everything, cit/defence BOFF's, perfect BO layouts) seem to offset the weaknesses of rom ships one has to wonder...
lol bug is still the best ship in the game don't worry
As if the Romulans didn't have enough advantage in PvP, this console literally breaks PvP for me. Recently a Tac captain Dhelan has been zooming around Ker'rat with no copies of emergency power to shields and out-healing an Eng fleet torkhat. This person is able to instead use EPTE and EPTW all while out-healing people dedicated to healing due to their Shield Absorptive Frequency Generator.
This is the most broken thing I have ever seen in this game. This is worse than the free Commander shuttle power, the Jem'hadar invincible shield, the Karfi super drains, or the MACO shield that reduces damage to 10 % instead of by 10 %.
In a 4 minute 1v1 this person's console activated 52 times for an average heal of 2434 per time. The Dhelan's console healed 126,592. In the same amount of time this console ALONE healed more than the engineer's 6 miracle workers, 2 rotate shield frequencies, 5 transfer shield strengths, 2 hazard emitters, 8 EPTS-1 and 4 EPTS-3. The Engineer healed only 118,192 with all those skills combined.
Is this working as intended? A single console that heals more than all the skills combined of an Engineer cruiser?
You probably havent heard about board statistics having absolutely no value in this game tho have you?
EptS is way more valueable then that dumb valdore console. 'ow gawd it increased your healzstazz by a faxtorzz of 5' derp derp,
Really,the console wont save ya'r TRIBBLE from a deadly spiker. Sometimes a ship full of Shield caps and neutroniums do more then a ship full of pay2 win.
Perhaps thats why ppl are crying so much about high spike and insane crits where thy run full pay2 win and dropped their valued resist consoles!!!!
pay2 lose its called.
Another example, sci healer vs identical engi healer. Engi will always have higher stats cuz it can run RSF and miracle when needed.
Does that mean itw better? no. Another reason why engi will have more heal stats is the fact that they cant nuke off an alpha, so yeah, migate and heal those lost hitpoints babe!!!
hmm...a tactical can heal better than an engineer with this console.....:rolleyes: Since an engineer is supposed to have better abilities at healing ....this makes no sense, rather makes being an engineer pointless!
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Trying to nibble someone to death isn't going to work... burst or bust my friend.
I'll use it in an ESTF though. Absorptive console + 2-piece borg set = no need for an escort to take healing/defense buffs even when getting focused by a gate or tac cube. Means more focus on damage and even faster STFs.
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However, your healing does seem on the low end for an eng cruiser as well. Could have contributed to things.
Sup, I'm the guy you seem to have combat logged here. Why do you keep saying you were flying a cruiser? You were in a Risian Corvette during that fight.
I won't say the new LOR content isn't overpowered, but you should at least provide accurate information. With a lie like that, how can I be sure your logs are even valid?
His build: http://i.imgur.com/zjtKMff.png
Mostly because it's a C-Store item and the Wallet Warriors will rage.
If so, then this is still highly broken.
Also, I love the logic that because some of the heals are wasted that its balanced. -rolls eyes-
Do you even Science Bro?
It does. I'm lucky to get a decent place in a PvE event, such as CE. But with any Romulan who is using this console, I'm almost never getting 3rd or above. Before I could almost always get a high place a good portion of the time, but with a Romulan, almost never now unless I am running a dedicated healer or something else.
You say this on the forums but in reality you do use it, and I'm not just talking about you, I'm talking about all the space pvpers here posting stuff like your comment
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So when you post comments like this, i know what your really saying is
"I'm telling you guys on the forums that i don't use these stuff but in reality I have every broken skill and will use it to my advantage!!!!"
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You missed his point. He wasn't talking about winning the fight. He was talking about how he is out healed (in actual numbers) by the console as an engineer..
this console + t4 romulan placate + SJ to run or cloak + fleet shields + 2 borg pieces = engs suck
broken or not, these things are almost mandatory for pvp
1) this is a romulan only console. (its never going to be cross faction)... they are balanced partly based on the ships.
2) There is no way that dehlan has high shield power like a fed will have... unless he is moving like a turtle or giving up weapon power.
Most romulan ships that are flying escort style have there shields set to 15-35 or so base power at most.... because any higher and you have to run your engines at 15.... or give up weapon power which no one does.
Everyone that wines about this console has never flown a romulan ship obviously.
Its easy to say ya ya ya -40 power is easy to negate... but that's frankly simply not true. Roll a Rom and find out for yourself.
So they added a +shield console for the romulan warbird that is supposed to be most like an escort... infact with the 2 piece bonus it is spec wise... as it returns the lost defense bonus.
I will say that I would have personly flipped the 2 Dhelean consoles... making the shield heal console only work on the Dhlean with the other part of the 2 piece going on the lowbie universal ship. This console is only really obnoxious on a shim imo.
On the Dhlean.... There is a a very high chance that that Rom player is going to have the following major weaknesses.
- Super low Hull Resist numbers... there are many romulans litterly running no armour as the consoles we have to take like leech + the 2 piece rom cosnoles... + 1 or 2 of the other rom consoles... and boom you litterly have no room any more for armour or at best you have room for one.
- Low overall shield for the same reason... no romulan runs field gens... so yes burst there shield.
- Shield power setttings of 60-100 power... very few romulans run with shield power setttings pushing over 100 in combat... to do that you would have to employ shield power doffs and honestly dedicate more power to the system then you can afford. Ships like the D don't turn well enough with there Inertial numbers to run super low engine settings.
So what I am saying is ....
Go to the hull with TBRs... Eject War plasma... DEM... ect... Rom ships in general go down to these much faster then fed and klink ships with stacked armour.
Go for the power on there shield systems... and kill there resist numbers so bad that no amount of + shield healing will help. In order to do this run Leech (ya everyone does we all lost a console slot... glad feds cried for this) I am serious about this next part... run Target Shields... you will be shocked how often Romulan players will 100% loose there shield because they don't have a way to bring them back on line (you just admited this dude didn't have EPTS lol) With no shield power all the +shield healing won't help him much will it.
/sigh
Overhealing applying to scores is broken and something they've said they may look at - because that shouldn't be the case, etc, etc, etc - but overhealing applying isn't limited to this console. Heck, it's how folks broke out their Star Cruisers or MU Star Cruisers (still less than 75k EC, no?) to rock and roll in Crystalline by spamming useless heals and getting points for overhealing to take first.
As for the logic that it's balanced because heals are wasted, was that what they were saying or was it just a case of saying to look at the real numbers and then complain. Broken numbers won't support the claim - real numbers might...which is what Drunk was doing, no?
romulans will use eptX and batteries or rmc, the difference is almost nothing, the is too much gain on singularity powers
Now run this instead of EPtS, no definitely only a crazy person would do it or knowing that he is going against someone that does not do any moderate to high DPS.
As Antoniosalieri said power in a warbird is a major issue. You have to switch between weapons and engines and use the Singularity jump. If you are caught you are dead. You cannot tank like a fed escort.
As for Mogai, they were plenty before the release of Scimitar and the cosole fix. Now you do not see so many.
Use the console in another warbird plus the dedicated 2 cosoles up to a total a 3 warbird universal it is not wise. Taking also into account that you have to add minimum 1 more (plasmonic or tachyokinetic or etc) then you have 4 out of 9 for C-store ships or 10 for the fleet versions. Add 4 minimun tactical consoles and you have 8. Without using Assimilated, Field Generator, Nukara console(+5 to shield and 2 piece bonus with DBB).
KDF Eng: Boreas I.K.S. Demonon Nemesis {Fleet: HoS}
Rom Sci: Crius I.R.W. Noctem Aeternus {Fleet: LoS}
Fed Tac: Kronos U.S.S. Xibalba, I.S.S. Theogonia{Fleet: HSF}
Let me guess you have yet to roll a romulan right ?
based on that I say its working as intended and just fine.
Are the heal numbers high... yes... it is more broken then shields at 75% resist 100% of the time... No.
Thumbs up!!!
KDF Eng: Boreas I.K.S. Demonon Nemesis {Fleet: HoS}
Rom Sci: Crius I.R.W. Noctem Aeternus {Fleet: LoS}
Fed Tac: Kronos U.S.S. Xibalba, I.S.S. Theogonia{Fleet: HSF}
http://postimg.org/image/hl8rybojf/
To compare and understand it is like the FAW "shadow" damage.
Note that in a Mogai you also have a Lt. Eng and Ltc. Eng boff stations. So, yes with the console it can have some tankiness.
P.S. If someone said to me that I have a choice of using a Jem Bug or a Mogai with the console, I would choose the Jem Bug.
KDF Eng: Boreas I.K.S. Demonon Nemesis {Fleet: HoS}
Rom Sci: Crius I.R.W. Noctem Aeternus {Fleet: LoS}
Fed Tac: Kronos U.S.S. Xibalba, I.S.S. Theogonia{Fleet: HSF}
Take the scimi for example it has high hull and shield mod but the thing is as soft as a bop
I too asked the question is this console op but when you look at what has to be sacrificed to use it (armour, field gens) it comes at a cost
Plus people are basing their opinion on a system which is completely inaccurate
the difference is nothing / the console is op
of course the scimitar feels like a bug, the stations are no match for the hull it has, the console slots will never give the resistance that a 40k hull need, the ship is all messed up, with n impulse mod of 0.15 it will allways be flight as a cruiser
Then your feds are setup poorly. Bottom line.
Console is strong yes... OP no... it would be on a fed or klink ship sure... I tend to think these rom consoles though are much different then previous klink and fed consoles... They seem designed to offset weaknesses in each of the Warbird designs... so I doubt they ever go cross faction. The fact that a rom can't go and put them on a non war bird lockbox ship should sum that up.
Considering what you trade on the rom ships no its not OP... heck the borg set still out paces it in terms of pure heal.
Rom ships have weaknesses... they are not that hard to exploit.
When so many things (singularity powers, OP consoles, battecloaks on everything, cit/defence BOFF's, perfect BO layouts) seem to offset the weaknesses of rom ships one has to wonder...
lol bug is still the best ship in the game don't worry
You probably havent heard about board statistics having absolutely no value in this game tho have you?
EptS is way more valueable then that dumb valdore console. 'ow gawd it increased your healzstazz by a faxtorzz of 5' derp derp,
Really,the console wont save ya'r TRIBBLE from a deadly spiker. Sometimes a ship full of Shield caps and neutroniums do more then a ship full of pay2 win.
Perhaps thats why ppl are crying so much about high spike and insane crits where thy run full pay2 win and dropped their valued resist consoles!!!!
pay2 lose its called.
Another example, sci healer vs identical engi healer. Engi will always have higher stats cuz it can run RSF and miracle when needed.
Does that mean itw better? no. Another reason why engi will have more heal stats is the fact that they cant nuke off an alpha, so yeah, migate and heal those lost hitpoints babe!!!
Start focussing on the real stuff yo.