I regurarly meet morons in MMOs, but this guy should be the king of them.
ISE went wrong - maybe some of the team members wasn't experienced enough or just lacked of proper equipment. The first cube and the two spheres went down slowly and we also failed the bonus objective at the first nanite transformer - nanite spheres started to heal the transformer.
This guy went mad: "Reported the whole team because of failing the secondary objective" - said something like this on team chat.
And he also flew away from the battle, started leeching.
After we killed the first transformer and we went to the second transformer I typed "Maybe you should help us".
"No, I enjoy that you are starting to play right" - he said something like this and continued leeching.
When we finished the second transformer I typed: "ok guys, don't forget report him for leeching".
A few minutes later (he was far away from the battle) he joined the team again to kill the gate and the tac cube. And said: "I'm not leeching I'm teaching you how to do it properly". And he had also time to write me a private message like this:
"And I report you because of false report on me".
I said "You started leeching after the bonus failed but u instantly joined the battle when I told the team to report you."
He finished some childish threat about he recorded the battle and if I say anything then he will bann me or something - I don't even care to remember it.
I really don't understand these people.
1., this is a god forsaken GAME.
2., Yes, sometimes I'm also annoyed with pugs. But I never ever called my teammates noobs or said anything negative. If I'm in the right mood and I have time to type in the middle of the battle sometimes I try to explain the right tactic, or just say "do this / don't do this" to save the game.
3. this is only a GAME.
4. I don't understand WHY these people do these stuff: the match will be much-much longer without their proper participation. And this particular "gentleman" wasn't AFK - he just watched the game from a distance. Ruining 4 other people's entertainment is just fun for him or what?
Phew... sorry guys for this post but I just had to blow off the steam.
If its a game, then why bother trying to be an internet god and report other players? Just mind you own business and put the person on ignore.
If confronted with a leecher I'd be more willing to eat the penalty and quit, first trying to convince everyone else to quit too, but I wouldn't stick around and aid and abet someone leeching off the group's effort.
I wouldn't bother engaging past trying to ascertain whether the person was leeching or whether they were afk for whatever reason (it happens, I've certainly had to get up to do something important).
Reporting for leeching does nothing but irritate the person going over reports since its not against the rules, reporting for being a bad player gives whoever reads the report something to laugh at.
When someone rages hit ignore and report them. When they rage and start belittling the rest of the players they are breaking the TOS. It is called abuse. If you respond to them and make that person even more angry then you are also part of that problem so just ignore them.
As far as new and inexperianced players coming in and not having a clue, thats part of doing a pug where you can be challenged to do better than normal and offer to help teach the new players. Getting a team of all experianced and having 8 minutes left on the optional timer when it ends is a treat to enjoy and a few GG said before leaving.
If you join a pug that goes horribly wrong and the mission itself fails then you have a good story to tell the fleetmates and something to laugh about.
Join Date: Nobody cares.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
I understand the need to vent. This game sometimes leaves the Phreek Attractor setting way too high. Been sorely tempted on more than one occasion to get into an Internet b***hslap fight. Then, I realized that if I did so, the crazies had won. By turning me into one of them.
Hard sometimes to bite a lip and not respond. Especially after numerous provocations. But in the end, it takes two people to have an argument. By not responding, you can deny someone like this the attention they so desperately crave. And that was this person's primary goal here. Being noticed. Who leeches and then watches and comments on the play of the people they're leeching off of? C'mon! Really? And then this person comes here and sees this thread. More attention garnered. You were the grand prize for the day.
Please understand, I am not criticizing here. If you need to vent then vent. But maybe emailing or PMing a fleetmate might be a better choice. It gives you the satisfaction of blowing off some steam whilst denying someone like that the attention they were after.
Naah, TRIBBLE the sensible stuff. Let's drop the bomb on 'em and hang their bloody heads on a stick outside Quinn's office.
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unless you report the guy 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times .I and everyone in opvp reported a guy x^133333333 times and he is still leeching.
even worse .There are idiots who not only afk but also troll.If you insult them (thou you have to insult the smart people who allow this) they report you and get warn.Note: TRIBBLE with the nerves of players is also against TOS.
the best thing you can do is to prevent other people from having to deal with this problem so each time somone asks you "should I play a game made by cryptic /pwe" you should always say no...you only save them nerves .Im sorry for having to say this but this is the only conclusion I can get from this kind of behavior.
P.S. lol at GMs.Thank god they exist to ban people for doing gorn jokes or posting oddly named doffs in chat.
I've seen a few people rage leech. I've always wondered if they weren't really planning to leech from the get go and just used the opportunistic chance to make it look like someone else's fault.
The best is to do it private or in groups of known players. That said i have done at least 3000 eSTF pugs - and maybe 5% were really bad - so it's not that high - you just remember the BAD ones!! You don't usually remember the other 1000 that went on script.
This obviously states the guy is a damn imbecile. At this point I would have ignored him straight away.
Also, the second I would have noticed anyone is leechin... POOF... I'm gone... no one's gettin free rides on my back. Not even partial free rides. End of story. Theres plenty of afkr's out there and one of the reasons they exist is that they are encouraged by the other players indulgent benevolence.
Actually, both are potentially against the ToS, depending on how the moderator interprets the behavior.
However, it is highly doubtful that either report would result in action, so reporting is a waste of time.
In my opinion, calling someone who engages in such behavior a leech is simply an accurate description of their behavior and not against the ToS.
The entitlement is strong with this one, I mean, really, an optional?
Which set me to wondering, what category did he use for the report? I wonder if the GM reading that category laughed him out of dodge or took the appropriate steps for spamming the queue with false reports...
Detecting big-time "anti-old-school" bias here. NX? Lobi. TOS/TMP Connie? Super-promotion-box. (aka the two hardest ways to get ships) Excelsior & all 3 TNG "big hero" ships? C-Store. Please Equalize...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Actually, both are potentially against the ToS, depending on how the moderator interprets the behavior.
Wrong .TOS is used in this game by GMs to ban you for no reason.I was banned because I posted (not in zone chat ) that gorn doff called *****.For that got a 3 hour ban like thats my fault for naming that doff.Saying TOS means anything is BS.They will ban you for anything and use TOS as excuse.Ofcourse I cant blame the whole cryptic ,but their GMs are really a bad joke.
p.s, few months ago a guy got a warn for posting gorn jokes on esd zone chat.They are Gorn Managers .
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I actually saw 2 people Rage Quit immediately after we lost an optional before. Insulted us and quit. Funny thing is... we still got our reward for finishing the mission while they just got a 1 hour leaver penalty.
Talk about immature. It was totally uncalled for to insult us for not getting an optional.
Had 1 last week who just sat with his cloak on,,,,,lol,,,,maybe he thought we couldn't see him.
You can get banned for disconnecting its happened to me quite a few times when the game has crashed,,,,,,
You can get banned for disconnecting its happened to me quite a few times when the game has crashed,,,,,,
I have to stop you right there - EVERY time I have crashed or any friends have crashed or strangers in PUGS crash, as soon as load the game back up, it puts you back in to the STF.
Seen my friends drop from the team list, seen strangers drop form the team list - 2 minutes later, they come back and carry on.
The only exception to this, is if you disconnect and do not reconnect right away - in other words, your disconnecting for at least 10 - 15 minutes.
To me (and the game it seems), 10 - 15 minutes is no crash or technical hiccup, that is on purpose to mess up a pug group.
I was doing Mirror Universe Incursion event yesterday. I was fighting the groups of ships in the first part when suddenly a team member said "All hope is lost!" in team chat. I didn't think much of it since I was too busy fighting.
I finished off the last couple ships to spawn the Stadi.
And here is where it gets interesting.
I got the Stadi down to about 50% health when I suddenly realized.......why am I the only one fighting it?? I glanced over and saw only 1 player in the team. He kept trying and kept getting killed.
Me? I had the Stadi down below 1% health when I wound up with everything on cooldown and finally got killed. 3 seconds later, while I was waiting on the respawn timer, my plasma DoT finished off the Stadi and the mission was complete.
My 1 and only team mate that stayed to the end respawned and zoomed over to pick up our drops. He said something like "this is the second time this happened to me. i wonder if its some sort of game theyre playing". I'm guessing he meant people up and left before.
I'm guessing what happened is 1 or 2 players left and/or disconnected but never made it back before the event was over, and when they disappeared he thought it wouldn't be possible to complete it and quit himself.
Moral of the story: if that one idiot would have stayed, he would have gotten his reward, since I managed to solo the Stadi myself.
What is Pug exactly and what is leeching, not very experienced with MMO's this is really the only one ive ever played much
PUG = Pick Up Group. Basically it's a group made up of random people through the queue system. Leeching is where a person enters an event or mission and instead of actually playing, they sit off to the side and do nothing while the rest of the team does all the work. The leech then gets the reward at the end of the mission for doing nothing. Leeching can also be called "AFKing" during a mission.
I have to stop you right there - EVERY time I have crashed or any friends have crashed or strangers in PUGS crash, as soon as load the game back up, it puts you back in to the STF.
Seen my friends drop from the team list, seen strangers drop form the team list - 2 minutes later, they come back and carry on.
The only exception to this, is if you disconnect and do not reconnect right away - in other words, your disconnecting for at least 10 - 15 minutes.
To me (and the game it seems), 10 - 15 minutes is no crash or technical hiccup, that is on purpose to mess up a pug group.
Its prob to do with the fact i have to reboot every time it crashes and don't get back in in time,,,,,,
Leeching can be fun..... Usually when the ISE optional is blown i fix the messup destroy the nanites and the generators then sit back and watch the underpowered, underequipped pew pews try to tackle the gate and the cube (which is usually at the same time because someone ALWAYS agros the cube)...
It used to allow me to pick back up when I get a dc for a short bit, but as of recently it causes me to end back up where I first qued the mission from without a penalty. As for the other person saying 10-15mins is a deliberate attempt to ruin a mission, what if the person's power went out for a long period of time, or their internet is on the fritz, or any other possible number of reasons that would prevent someone from continuing playing hmmmm?
if you decide to sit idle for your playstyle...that is your prerogative.
other players may not like you much at the time....but Im sure nobody cares with a pug ( I wouldnt care about what some random internet player I will likey never deal with again thinks about me and my playstyle)...you wont ever see them again for the most part, so why worry?....there is always another mission.
I have no problem with leechers.... it makes the difficulty of the mission a bit more interesting....keeps things fresh and me on my toes , especially if I have run a mission a lot before.
I just pretend that their ship was disabled by an undetermined source (like Q or malicious nanites for instance).....
..... the "uncertainty of war"
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I fly an Escort so I have always been much too busy in an STF to notice these leechers until it started to be posted on these forums.
Cruisers and Carriers have time to sit back and notice while beam baking/ pet spamming?
If you want to see leeching in action, just queue up for Mine Trap. I just came from one that had so many people looking for a free ride, it was almost a total failure across the board.
It used to allow me to pick back up when I get a dc for a short bit, but as of recently it causes me to end back up where I first qued the mission from without a penalty. As for the other person saying 10-15mins is a deliberate attempt to ruin a mission, what if the person's power went out for a long period of time, or their internet is on the fritz, or any other possible number of reasons that would prevent someone from continuing playing hmmmm?
10-15 minutes? Dude, if your power is out or your internet is acting up for that long you would be disconnected from the game and your character removed from the map long before that amount of time. Longest 'server not responding' message I've ever received was about 3-5 minutes. If it's taking that long you're pretty much guaranteed to lose your connection. When you lose connection to the game your character is removed from the map after maybe a couple minutes.
What people are talking about in this thread is doing missions (mine trap as an example) which can take at least 15 minutes to complete, sometimes longer due to leechers, and 1 or more players are standing there the entire time of the misison. If they disconnected they would have 'left the match' and been removed.
Good example is a couple days ago in ISE we had a leecher. Sat there the entire time. As soon as the reward popped up his drop was taken and he left the map. That's not having trouble with your power or internet connection for 10-15 minutes.
Another example; in the same day I did Cure Space normal and 1 guy sat at the spawn point for about 3 minutes. I told the team he seems to be sitting there doing nothing and suddenly he charged right in, started shooting stuff, and helped us for the rest of the mission. He probably thought nobody noticed him and was afraid of being reported when I said something. Not like it would do any good to report anyway.
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Ignore works better if paired with using a channel or two.
But I prefer to look upon the better ways of assembling PUGS.
1.) PUG with friends or fleeties. You can always add players from the STF channels.
2.) Join the STF channels. PublicEliteSTF isn't bad, but anyone can join. EliteSTF has rules, and they are a good group.
After 100's of STF runs, you end up seeing a variety of STF Player Archetypes.
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If its a game, then why bother trying to be an internet god and report other players? Just mind you own business and put the person on ignore.
I wouldn't bother engaging past trying to ascertain whether the person was leeching or whether they were afk for whatever reason (it happens, I've certainly had to get up to do something important).
When someone rages hit ignore and report them. When they rage and start belittling the rest of the players they are breaking the TOS. It is called abuse. If you respond to them and make that person even more angry then you are also part of that problem so just ignore them.
As far as new and inexperianced players coming in and not having a clue, thats part of doing a pug where you can be challenged to do better than normal and offer to help teach the new players. Getting a team of all experianced and having 8 minutes left on the optional timer when it ends is a treat to enjoy and a few GG said before leaving.
If you join a pug that goes horribly wrong and the mission itself fails then you have a good story to tell the fleetmates and something to laugh about.
"I'm drunk, whats your excuse for being an idiot?" - Unknown drunk man. :eek:
Hard sometimes to bite a lip and not respond. Especially after numerous provocations. But in the end, it takes two people to have an argument. By not responding, you can deny someone like this the attention they so desperately crave. And that was this person's primary goal here. Being noticed. Who leeches and then watches and comments on the play of the people they're leeching off of? C'mon! Really? And then this person comes here and sees this thread. More attention garnered. You were the grand prize for the day.
Please understand, I am not criticizing here. If you need to vent then vent. But maybe emailing or PMing a fleetmate might be a better choice. It gives you the satisfaction of blowing off some steam whilst denying someone like that the attention they were after.
Naah, TRIBBLE the sensible stuff. Let's drop the bomb on 'em and hang their bloody heads on a stick outside Quinn's office.
Leeching reports are handled as TOS violations.
So, you're wrong there.
unless you report the guy 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 times .I and everyone in opvp reported a guy x^133333333 times and he is still leeching.
even worse .There are idiots who not only afk but also troll.If you insult them (thou you have to insult the smart people who allow this) they report you and get warn.Note: TRIBBLE with the nerves of players is also against TOS.
the best thing you can do is to prevent other people from having to deal with this problem so each time somone asks you "should I play a game made by cryptic /pwe" you should always say no...you only save them nerves .Im sorry for having to say this but this is the only conclusion I can get from this kind of behavior.
P.S. lol at GMs.Thank god they exist to ban people for doing gorn jokes or posting oddly named doffs in chat.
Spoken like a true AFKer....
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By definition slander has to be an untrue statement. There is nothing slanderous about asking other people to report a leech for leeching.
In addition leeching can fairly easily be classed as against the TOS under 10 j,k and if not most certainly n.
As I refuse to support leeches I then off my apologies to the team and quit.
I know that the report is an exercise in absolute futility as the powers-that-be have no interest in addressing the issue.
Actually, both are potentially against the ToS, depending on how the moderator interprets the behavior.
However, it is highly doubtful that either report would result in action, so reporting is a waste of time.
In my opinion, calling someone who engages in such behavior a leech is simply an accurate description of their behavior and not against the ToS.
The team was reported for "failing an optional"?
The entitlement is strong with this one, I mean, really, an optional?
Which set me to wondering, what category did he use for the report? I wonder if the GM reading that category laughed him out of dodge or took the appropriate steps for spamming the queue with false reports...
To rob a line: [quote: Mariemaia Kushrenada] Forum Posting is much like an endless waltz. The three beats of war, peace and revolution continue on forever. However, opinions will change upon the reading of my post.[/quote]
Wrong .TOS is used in this game by GMs to ban you for no reason.I was banned because I posted (not in zone chat ) that gorn doff called *****.For that got a 3 hour ban like thats my fault for naming that doff.Saying TOS means anything is BS.They will ban you for anything and use TOS as excuse.Ofcourse I cant blame the whole cryptic ,but their GMs are really a bad joke.
p.s, few months ago a guy got a warn for posting gorn jokes on esd zone chat.They are Gorn Managers .
Talk about immature. It was totally uncalled for to insult us for not getting an optional.
You can get banned for disconnecting its happened to me quite a few times when the game has crashed,,,,,,
I have to stop you right there - EVERY time I have crashed or any friends have crashed or strangers in PUGS crash, as soon as load the game back up, it puts you back in to the STF.
Seen my friends drop from the team list, seen strangers drop form the team list - 2 minutes later, they come back and carry on.
The only exception to this, is if you disconnect and do not reconnect right away - in other words, your disconnecting for at least 10 - 15 minutes.
To me (and the game it seems), 10 - 15 minutes is no crash or technical hiccup, that is on purpose to mess up a pug group.
I was doing Mirror Universe Incursion event yesterday. I was fighting the groups of ships in the first part when suddenly a team member said "All hope is lost!" in team chat. I didn't think much of it since I was too busy fighting.
I finished off the last couple ships to spawn the Stadi.
And here is where it gets interesting.
I got the Stadi down to about 50% health when I suddenly realized.......why am I the only one fighting it?? I glanced over and saw only 1 player in the team. He kept trying and kept getting killed.
Me? I had the Stadi down below 1% health when I wound up with everything on cooldown and finally got killed. 3 seconds later, while I was waiting on the respawn timer, my plasma DoT finished off the Stadi and the mission was complete.
My 1 and only team mate that stayed to the end respawned and zoomed over to pick up our drops. He said something like "this is the second time this happened to me. i wonder if its some sort of game theyre playing". I'm guessing he meant people up and left before.
I'm guessing what happened is 1 or 2 players left and/or disconnected but never made it back before the event was over, and when they disappeared he thought it wouldn't be possible to complete it and quit himself.
Moral of the story: if that one idiot would have stayed, he would have gotten his reward, since I managed to solo the Stadi myself.
PUG = Pick Up Group. Basically it's a group made up of random people through the queue system. Leeching is where a person enters an event or mission and instead of actually playing, they sit off to the side and do nothing while the rest of the team does all the work. The leech then gets the reward at the end of the mission for doing nothing. Leeching can also be called "AFKing" during a mission.
Mine Trap Supporter
Its prob to do with the fact i have to reboot every time it crashes and don't get back in in time,,,,,,
and yeah leaver pen,,,,,,,,,,,
2) Just try to finish the mission correctly as best you can.
3) "NEED" everything so you can have some compensation if the missions fails.
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other players may not like you much at the time....but Im sure nobody cares with a pug ( I wouldnt care about what some random internet player I will likey never deal with again thinks about me and my playstyle)...you wont ever see them again for the most part, so why worry?....there is always another mission.
I have no problem with leechers.... it makes the difficulty of the mission a bit more interesting....keeps things fresh and me on my toes , especially if I have run a mission a lot before.
I just pretend that their ship was disabled by an undetermined source (like Q or malicious nanites for instance).....
..... the "uncertainty of war"
---- FIRE EVERYTHING ! ----
Cruisers and Carriers have time to sit back and notice while beam baking/ pet spamming?
If you want to see leeching in action, just queue up for Mine Trap. I just came from one that had so many people looking for a free ride, it was almost a total failure across the board.
10-15 minutes? Dude, if your power is out or your internet is acting up for that long you would be disconnected from the game and your character removed from the map long before that amount of time. Longest 'server not responding' message I've ever received was about 3-5 minutes. If it's taking that long you're pretty much guaranteed to lose your connection. When you lose connection to the game your character is removed from the map after maybe a couple minutes.
What people are talking about in this thread is doing missions (mine trap as an example) which can take at least 15 minutes to complete, sometimes longer due to leechers, and 1 or more players are standing there the entire time of the misison. If they disconnected they would have 'left the match' and been removed.
Good example is a couple days ago in ISE we had a leecher. Sat there the entire time. As soon as the reward popped up his drop was taken and he left the map. That's not having trouble with your power or internet connection for 10-15 minutes.
Another example; in the same day I did Cure Space normal and 1 guy sat at the spawn point for about 3 minutes. I told the team he seems to be sitting there doing nothing and suddenly he charged right in, started shooting stuff, and helped us for the rest of the mission. He probably thought nobody noticed him and was afraid of being reported when I said something. Not like it would do any good to report anyway.