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captainretsetcaptainretset Member Posts: 92 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Romulan Discussion
I have just hit T5 Omega rep and the rest are not too far behind. I quickly bought the Assimilated Mk XII deflector and engine as I have always loved them. The extra strength, hull regen, heals, sector speed etc. are all great. For Fed/KDF, I have usually gone for the full 3 piece as I like the shield, despite the low capacity. It's the quick shield rebuilds, especially if the multi thing procs.

DL is a little short so I would like to buy one decent shield that will be a good 'jack of all trades'. It will be for my Corvette for now (I really like it) and also my Fleet T'varo. I may get a bigger ship later but assume it will be for escort sized ones.

PVE mainly but want to try to get into PVP.

I have it down to:

1) MACO Mk XII
2) Elite Fleet Shield Res B
3) Assimilated Shield Mk XII

Omega Mk XII was in the mix but I think I may as well take the Assimilated over the Omega.

I can't really work out which would be the best overall so seek opinions.
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    yargomeshyargomesh Member Posts: 179 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Another thing to consider with the Adapted MACO, is that if you run a Plasmonic Leech console, the power buff's don't stack and will keep overwriting one another. So go with one or the other.
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    captainretsetcaptainretset Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    IIRC, I would have to buy the whole MACO set to unlock the Adapted one? Too rich for me if that's the case.
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    smokeybacon90smokeybacon90 Member Posts: 2,252 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Nothing comes close to the Elite when taking sustained fire.
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    reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Elite shields excel in PVP where there's a huge volume of fire, but in PVE where most enemies do just a few large hits, the resistance buildup isn't going to be as significant. Plus reputation shields are a lot cheaper, and if you get the Adapted MACO or Assimilated shield, you get a heck of a bonus power besides.
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    captainretsetcaptainretset Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Thanks all. I have decided to get the Assimilated Shield Mk XII for use now and will invest in an Elite Fleet one if/when I get into PVP.
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    caelrasstocaelrassto Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I also fly a fleet T'varo and Corvette a lot, and a big problem I notice is the low hull actually makes weapons fire bleedthrough a big deal. I always run a Resilient shield on those ships since it helps big time. The Borg shield is Regenerative, which isn't that great.

    You can't go wrong with a MACO XII (which is a resilient shield), or Elite Fleet Resilient Res B. I use a Borg Deflector/Engine for the hull heal proc and the Elite Fleet Resilent Res B on my T'Varo/Corvette.
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    captainretsetcaptainretset Member Posts: 92 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Oh dear, I've bought the Borg one now! Still, I've always liked the set so I am sure I'll be OK but will definitely invest in a Res B if I stop being scared and do some PVP :o
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    stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    IIRC, I would have to buy the whole MACO set to unlock the Adapted one? Too rich for me if that's the case.

    As of yesterday, you don't.

    As mentioned the stock Maco shield will conflict with plasmonic leech. Combine that with a somewhat smallish capacity (relative to other available covariant options), and it drops a few ranks in my book.

    In the PvE realm I'd advise either an Adapted Maco or an Elite Fleet Covariant. On a T'varo the A.Maco will get you a capacity roundabout 10k or so, while only losing out a smidge on resists (with maxed shield power and an EPtS that 10% drops to about 6-7% or so due to the way shield resists work IIRC), not to mention the big killers in PvE are torpedoes that wouldn't be affected by that resist anyway.

    For reference, my fleet Mogai sits at 12.5k shields without any console boosts from an A.Maco shield. With .11 less of a shield modifier you're going to be in sight of that number.
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    shadowwraith77shadowwraith77 Member Posts: 6,395 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Maco shield should do you just fine for quite some time, it does after all have a built in 10% resistance to all energy types including a 20% against plasma alone. The only lack luster feature about it is it has a lower regen rate compaired to others, but regen on ships are slow anyways and not a huge issue unless you sit out of combat forever waiting for it to regen on its own.
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    ravinravin Member Posts: 509 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Elite Resilient ResB is the way to go for pve, especially for STFs. It covers the damage types you'll most likely face in pve, Klingon, Romulan, and Borg. And the Adapt modifier just adds to it. Shield capacity isn't the be all end all, smart use of buffs and consoles, and you're shields should last forever.
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    alriksteralrikster Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Generally the squishier your ship in general the more you want your shield to be resilient/covariant.

    The regenerative shields really excel when you take fire for a sustained amount of time, which something like the tvaro is not supposed to do.

    Im running a recluse with high shield modifier and very good hull numbers. Together with a regenerative fleet shield i can take sustained fire from a lot of players in pvp without going down, thanks to the high shield regen.

    As a tvaro you dont want to be in focus for extended periods of time, so the shields primary objective is to deal with burst/bleedthrough.
    The maco shield is not bad especially since most stf damage you get is plasma and will get you through any kind of stf with great efficiency. If you also want to look into pvp, where pretty much nobody uses plasma energy weapons, you should look into a resilient fleet shield.

    Regen shields get bursted down too fast as a squishy tvaro in pvp and you wont be able to make use of its high innate regen most of the time.
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    warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I have just hit T5 Omega rep and the rest are not too far behind. I quickly bought the Assimilated Mk XII deflector and engine as I have always loved them. The extra strength, hull regen, heals, sector speed etc. are all great. For Fed/KDF, I have usually gone for the full 3 piece as I like the shield, despite the low capacity. It's the quick shield rebuilds, especially if the multi thing procs.

    DL is a little short so I would like to buy one decent shield that will be a good 'jack of all trades'. It will be for my Corvette for now (I really like it) and also my Fleet T'varo. I may get a bigger ship later but assume it will be for escort sized ones.

    PVE mainly but want to try to get into PVP.

    I have it down to:

    1) MACO Mk XII
    2) Elite Fleet Shield Res B
    3) Assimilated Shield Mk XII

    Omega Mk XII was in the mix but I think I may as well take the Assimilated over the Omega.

    I can't really work out which would be the best overall so seek opinions.

    I'll be blunt and say this. If you intend to PVE only, any of those shields will work very well. MACO shields have general, all around resists and give some power. Elite Fleet Shields build up resists during a fight. Assimilated Shields have very low capacity but are quick to bring back up to strength. These are all high-end shields and will suffice well for PVE.

    For PVP, it gets very different. You are running ships that are not meant to be hit alot. The main difference maker though is if you are making the maximum use of the Enhanced Battle Cloak and firing from that cloaked status. If so, shield choice almost doesn't matter, except how it works towards set bonuses. Then the Adapted MACO / KHG 2 piece torpedo bonus is very good.

    Believe it or not, I'd say Elite Fleet Shields are not optimal for your ship and style with the T'Varo. Elite Fleet Shields' effectiveness comes from sustained combat and taking hits, thereby building up resists. For a Cruiser, SCI Vessel, and certain Escorts, that's great. For a T'Varo, not so great. For the T'Varo that is operating under hit and run rules, Capacity is king, and if not, shields with good resists standing by.

    - Good capacity gives you enough shield points to survive and get the hell out of town and get under cloak.

    - Good resists by default is a nice idea in cutting down incoming damage. When I say this, I mean shields that have resists as standard to the shields (MACO, Jem'Hadar shields) and not have to be built up through combat like Aegis and Elite Fleet Shields.

    For the T'Varo, which tends to operate like KDF BOPs, I highly suggest the KHG / Adapted MACO shields and even the 2 piece bonuses for these sets. They bring a great, generic Torpedo Damage bonus without sacrificing a TAC Console. The KHG / Adapted MACO shields are very high capacity, and have a chance to placate. Those shields are a win-win-win for a hit and run ship like Romulan / Klingon BOPs.
    - They have capacity for a "cushion," a big deal for these ships with lower shield mods.
    - The 2 piece bonus for torpedo damage.
    - The shields have a chance to placate.
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