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Should fleet cost be determined by size of the fleet?
lordlegionx
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I have been wondering how many small and large fleets there are and if the cost of the fleet should be determined by the size of the fleet... I have a really small fleet(only 2 people in the fleet) and I wonder what you all think of the cost of building a fleet. I under stand that the cost should be high because of the level of stuff you can get from the higher level of your fleet but should small fleets have to pay the same amount as a large fleet. I ask because if I ever want any of the high level equipment, gear, personal, ect I have to spend a LOT of time, ec and dilithium just to get to tier one while a large fleet will have just the first tier in 10 while my small fleet could take months if not a year to complete tier one. We don't all have the time and money to sit here all day every day to collect the necessary ec, dilithium, ect to build the fleet. All thou I know I can go to a fleet that is a high tier and spend even more to donate to there fleet just to get a high level gear, ship equipment, ect... So now I have to work on 2 or more fleets just to get any thing... while large fleet only have to work on one fleet ONLY, why is that a small fleet has to PAY 2 or 3 times as much as larger fleets. I think that is a little much with the reputation and special events as well as trying to pay for building my fleet. Why should I have to PAY to build my fleet plus donate to some other fleet and work on my reputation and PAY zen to buy ships when large fleets simply go to there fleet and ONLY PAY for there large fleet... So according to perfect world a small fleet will have to work on 2 or more fleets to get any high level stuff wile having to also pay to get any of the reputation stuff... or am I just missing the point here? What are your thoughts on this?
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If you go to a large fleet and donate to get your stuff then you have it already and don't have to build up your fleet.
If you work on the small fleet and get the level up, then you can get the stuff and don't have to go to a large fleet.
I don't see how you make the jump from my fleet is low level so if i want good stuff i have to donate to 2 or 3.
Second, there are advantages to being in a fleet in terms of gear and ships. There for, the game is designed with a hefty and time and resource cost to achieve these things. A larger group will be able to gain these resources a faster. This is just fine. The game is "massively multiplayer," not "me and a friend."
I do not feel it's fair that those fleets should they be unnecessarily forced into a position in which they have to kick people who may at some point come back.
A fleet costs what it costs. If you want the gear, there a plenty of fleets out there who sell access to the top end fleet gear and ships. Besides, if the only reason you started that fleet with your friend was to get gear, you chose THE single most expensive and time consuming way to get it.
If you want the gear and ships now, you have two options:
1. Join a different fleet on the understanding that you will leave after you contribute an agreed amount of fleet credit.
2. Look out for the 'Selling T5 fleet gear/ships' ads on zone chat, buy the 4 fleet modules (500 zen per module) and pay what they ask. access ranges from 10-15 million EC. I've never spoken to anyone about it, so I can't tell you how much they charge after that per weapon/ship.
Also, regarding the fleet gear, while it's nice to have and I have no problem with people having 'be uber' as a goal, the stuff you can get by yourself through rep is more than enough for PvE, and most of it is decent enough for PvP too.
If you go with the first option, you can go for the gear on your main with the big fleet and continue with (I assume you have at atleast one) building your own base with any alts you may have, thereby continuing to play with your buddy and gearing up your main so that when it returns to your fleet, the grind is easier.
Option number 2 is pretty much the same, but will save you time and you won't run the risk of being duped (it happens, rarely, but it happens) by the bigger fleet.
That said, I wish you the best of luck with your two man fleet. When the base, embassy, mine and whatever else they add are finished, you guys will be able to stand back and be videogame proud of your achievement.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
Some folks think that being in a larger fleet is a picnic .
It's not .
The work still needs to be done , in most fleets ppl still focus on the Fed base first , leaving it's KDF counterpart behind to be finished "later" , plus more then a few fleets have had issues of all sorts .
The starbase system itself was introduced in July 12, 2012 .
That's a year ago , and less then a dozen fleets have finished their starbases (afaik) .
Building a starbase is a long and very costly affair , and it's not for everyone .
You can still get up to Tier 2 or 3 by yourselfs , or you can ask for access for purchases to a Tier 5 starbase from one of the fleets who are there .
For some reason all MMO's try to indoctrinate you to require at least 4 other people to do anything, even use the restroom. :eek:
I think this is because that mindset works best for these games because these games encourage this mindset.
A vicious circle.
Now if some company were to make a Solo game with optional MP using an MMO cloud for resurces, well, they would clean up this market except for those already of an "MMO mindset."
I have found that being dependant on others is a great way to find disappointment as humans are selfish creatures by nature.
Of course the younger people haven't learned this yet. but they will, especially in an MMO.
Because all you'd have to do is have your 5000 fleet members in rotation every night, kick a guy out the next one comes in throws in resources and you will have lowered the cost to a 2 man fleet being built by a huge group.
And it wouldn't matter if you put a member cap on either aslong as you can rotate people it's open to heavy exploiting.
So, you'd have to make fleets that had a member limit and couldn't except new people at all.
Tiered could be levels of 50, 1-50 being the first group, 51 to 100 next and so on and so forth. project calculated at half those but based upon accounts in fleet and not alts so if you have 10 accounts and 50 alts the projects are far more difficult because they are set for 25 accounts+.
scaling is just that projects scale with the number of characters in the fleet + all who left in the past 7 days. minimum of 25 calculated for projects. A project is started but resources are not finished then if a new player joins the project requirements increase. If one leaves the 7 day rule applies.
For both 10-15% of an average players daily resource collection from the whole game is what is used to calculate project costs with X amount of time to fill the project. Upgrades calculated at 100% average and X amount of time. 10 to 15% of everyones daily intake of resources is reasonable to donate, this is a game not a second or third job and should remain a game. 100% for upgrades is reasonable because those are a big deal and everyone in a fleet should work at getting them done.
Either one of those is good for fleets of all sizes and fair across the board. It opens up more small fleets who may specialize in one thing creating more tournaments and fleet scrimages in PvP. PvE and PvP oriented fleets will be more abundant so players can have more choice. Those who like small fleets can be in one and not be punished for it and those who prefer large ones can be in one and not feel punished because the small fleets have it easier to level.
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Oh yeah absolutely. My experience with 1 large fleet is that the majority of people donate a little, aka less than 100,000 credits worth. Well there's at least 50,000,000 worth of credits to get everything maxed out. If you have 5 dedicated players that are willing to lay down the credit card you'll get your base built faster than the fleet that has 500 players with all of them being casual and ******** that its not done yet.
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In those other threads, and I read one in here as well though, One argument stands out "If you have a reduced cost fleet, because it has, say only 2-10 members, what about, all of a sudden, 100 more join up, because you hit T5 quickly? How is that fair to the large fleets (say 100-300 members), that had to struggle with the large costs, because they were larger all along" In that vein, the only fair thing, would be to "lock" that smaller fleet to a max size, at whatever cap that "sliding scale" has for that tier sized fleet, in my example, 10. And no revolving door policy, if someone leaves the fleet, it takes 7 days for that slot to open back up, to prevent revolving door abuse. Also, would have to kill off fleet map inviting, so that doesn't get abused either/
Now keep in mind, I'm not against small fleets (or even solo fleets), but this particular type of proposal just opens itself to ALL kinds of abuse by "gaming" the system.
Fleets, like anything else, are all about choices. A large fleet, by it's very nature, is going to have certain advantages (providing, of course, that at least 50% of it's player's are at least active on a reg basis.) Whereas, a small fleet, is like to have the advantages of less in-fighting, less people to take away those provisions, less people that will be withdrawing from the bank, etc etc. So if you want that small fleet, by all means, go for it, and have fun with it. But understand, that sometimes, it will be a little bit of a struggle to get somethings that you want. On the other hand, if you want a large fleet, go for that. Some things might be easier, some things will be harder, as well, there.
But you shouldn't get "large fleet" advantages, along with "small fleet" advantages. That's not how anything, even remotely realistic, works. Balance the pros & cons of your options, and make the choice that appeals to you.
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The biggest thing I could see (and have suggested this before) to compensate for small fleets is something like "rested XP" in other MMOs.
So, for example, if it's been 1 week since you completed a project, your next single project gets a 25% bonus to holding XP categories. 2 weeks, 50%. 3 weeks, 75%. 4 weeks, 100%.
Single reward bonus for each project slot. All it does is keep slow fleets more up to par. If a project lags, the next project in that slot gets the bonus applied.
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