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Separating War Zones from maps with objectives

predconpredcon Member Posts: 478 Arc User
Dear Cryptic/PWE,
Thank you so much for enabling PvP in maps with objectives. I really love fighting two-fronted wars between CPU enemies and griefing SOBs. Nothing makes my day quite like trying to scan a Borg Decryption Node when all of a sudden an enemy Rom captain decloaks and ambushes me. It's so much fun being mobbed by AI-played Borg Probes and Cubes when Klingon caps decide I'm easy pickings because I'm down to 1% Hull Points. I'm absolutely ecstatic that you've made it easy for the mentally juvenile to grief the hell out of an already tedious mission. Again, thanks so much.



Your pal,
predcon

PS, That was a great move on your part letting players block me in chat while they troll me in-game. It's absolutely super that I can't ask a player nicely to back the hell off while I'm being TRIBBLE(imilated)-***** by a million-and-one Borg.
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  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The rewards in Ker'rat are balanced around fighting three foes.

    1) The Borg
    2) Enemy Players
    3) Friendly Players
  • gar4kgar4k Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Kerrat is PvPvE if you don't like it then don't go there. Kerrat and Nvak are two of only a few fun maps left in STO so why should Cryptic remove them just because you do not like it! As I said if you do not like it then go somewhere safer or improve your skill!
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    If you can't handle Ker'rat, don't go there. It was created to be that way. Deal with it. Also, stop aggroing more Borg than you can handle.

    As it is, the Klingon players are usually outnumbered in each zone. . .we're already operating at a disadvantage. Just stick with a group of Feddies who aren't incompetent, and you'll start to do somewhat better.
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  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    gar4k wrote: »
    Kerrat is PvPvE if you don't like it then don't go there. Kerrat and Nvak are two of only a few fun maps left in STO so why should Cryptic remove them just because you do not like it! As I said if you do not like it then go somewhere safer or improve your skill!

    Ker'rat is indeed quite fun :)
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  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Personally I find Kerrat to be a lot of fun. I'd also like to see some more variety, such as a Kerrat like zone without PvP. Basically a non queued open PvE against multiple factions in different sectors of space. For instance, there would be a system in Beta Ursae that was essentially Kerrat (minus pvp), fighting Cardassians/Dominion and completing objectives.
    pvp = small package
  • virusdancervirusdancer Member Posts: 18,687 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Personally I find Kerrat to be a lot of fun. I'd also like to see some more variety, such as a Kerrat like zone without PvP. Basically a non queued open PvE against multiple factions in different sectors of space. For instance, there would be a system in Beta Ursae that was essentially Kerrat (minus pvp), fighting Cardassians/Dominion and completing objectives.

    An adventure zone? It's coming...
  • tonyalmeida2tonyalmeida2 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    An adventure zone? It's coming...

    I don't mean an adventure zone per say. I merely mean Kerrat without PvP with different factions. There can be Kerrat with PvP with different factions as well. I'd like to see both.
    pvp = small package
  • skanvakskanvak Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I do have issue with Kerrat because it does not feel like, well, a war zone. It look like an Omega team mission. As the KDF and SF decided to allie to fight Borg why do they fight here? Why so many Borg here?

    This is the Klingon Empire and UFP war front and we have a Borg repair station as the focus of the battle!?! Seriuosly, that a big disbelieve for me.

    A war zone should be about the war between the KDF and SF not the fight against the borg. Even if the concept is not that bad, I think this mission should stay bu only in PVE and moved to Omega sector.
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    skanvak wrote: »
    I do have issue with Kerrat because it does not feel like, well, a war zone. It look like an Omega team mission. As the KDF and SF decided to allie to fight Borg why do they fight here? Why so many Borg here?

    This is the Klingon Empire and UFP war front and we have a Borg repair station as the focus of the battle!?! Seriuosly, that a big disbelieve for me.

    A war zone should be about the war between the KDF and SF not the fight against the borg. Even if the concept is not that bad, I think this mission should stay bu only in PVE and moved to Omega sector.

    Ker'rat is a bit of a holdover from when the game was still 'young'. . .back when Cryptic actually cared that there was supposed to be a war between the factions. Now that they seem to be treating it as something that can be hand-waved away, Ker'rat makes less sense. As for the incongruity of having the Borg smack dab in the middle of Eta Eridani. . .well, the KDF apparently has large amounts of Borg in the T'Kanis Nebula, in Klingon space. It's never made a ton of sense, to be honest.

    The war zone IS sorta about the war between KDF and Federation, though. Hence the PvP aspect. Ostensibly, both sides are supposed to work to beat each other to the completion, and blow each other up to delay progress. Since the KDF is usually outnumbered 2-3 to 1 in Ker'rat, it tends to be more about 'picking off Feddies to complete the kill mission and generally have fun'. Ker'rat is at its best when both sides are even in odds, imo. That's also when the KDF tends to start winning, oddly enough.
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    My only problem with Kerrat is when the map resets. It warps all the players to one respawn location, regardless of faction. That is when the douches come out (on both sides). Instead of separating, they just start shooting at each other and camp. Any player entering the map warps into a hell hole with no where to go but boom.
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yeah, Ker'rat; a fun map to play :D .

    Tried it once when i was just starting STO, avoided it ever since. I knew i was bad and got my but kicked like i was made of jelly.


    My new years resolution was to roll a new char with all the lessons i had learned. Lo and behold; i was able to tank! I was able to DPS! Ker'rat became fun!

    It wasn't the farming why i got there (got around 3 XII stuff in the months i played there), no, the uncontrolled PVP dynamics, getting killed, doing the killing, being ignored because you've shot down a supposed ubership, getting in contact with other players and share idea's and builds... It's FUN!
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • ajalenajalen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    yes , fight in kerrat is fun ...i agree .....

    but especialy at lover levels i m usualy as klingon player alone against 5-10 ! feddies .... so is impossible 4 me finish all objectives in PvE part first , so then only alpha strikes against lone feddies left ..........

    and yes , map reset is really fun .......1 against 10 usualy ..... and someone here in another tread want cloaking device for fed ships omg .......why ? we klingons are really outnumbered in game and cloak is our only advantage against feddies .......

    i dont count romulans , their heavy warbirds with battle cloak make game really balanced ......
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  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yup, also rolled a klink later on, fought a lot in ker'rat while leveling up. Way more feds then klinks... But imho the best way to learn good tactics and builds.
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • ajalenajalen Member Posts: 113 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    heh , tactic .....
    i think only one is best (at low levels) - maximize dps , decloak , blast few feds , hit evasive + EPtE , cloak
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  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I hate Ker'rat too, because I suck at PvP! But that's why I don't go there, I have plenty of other things to do so I have never felt the need to return to Ker'rat in a long time. Just because you don't like it does not mean Cryptic should change it, it should stay as it is because people enjoy it! I think they should add more maps like this for the people that like to mix PvP and PvE.... actually they should add another sector just full of these types of maps and use it in a territory control sort of system.
    How I picture a lot of the forumites :P
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited July 2013
    ajalen wrote: »
    heh , tactic .....
    i think only one is best (at low levels) - maximize dps , decloak , blast few feds , hit evasive + EPtE , cloak

    Well, it's not necessarily as simple as that. Anyone halfway decent will know how to react (throw on Tactical Team, RSP, whatever) to effectively blunt your attack. Unless you're literally able to one-shot kill someone (like a supercharged BO3 crit or something), that will always be a concern.

    It's all about timing, timing is very important when trying to use that kind of tactic successfully. Otherwise you'll be little more than an irritant that can be shrugged off time and again.
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  • gar4kgar4k Member Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I had quite a funny event in Kerrat yesterday. I had been stalking some prey in my Bop under cloak, I decloaked and hit him with everything I had killed him and got away from his mates and cloaked into saftey.

    As a final act of Vengeance the one I killed managed to get a Emission Seeking Torpedo off, I had no speed buffs left and even all power to engines was not enough to outrun it so I just saw this beeping flashing bringer of inevitable doom coming closer and closer and there was nothing I could do. It hit me decloaked me and crippled my engines and then some defiant just decloaked and crushed me!

    XD
  • jorantomalakjorantomalak Member Posts: 7,133 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    predcon wrote: »
    Dear Cryptic/PWE,
    Thank you so much for enabling PvP in maps with objectives. I really love fighting two-fronted wars between CPU enemies and griefing SOBs. Nothing makes my day quite like trying to scan a Borg Decryption Node when all of a sudden an enemy Rom captain decloaks and ambushes me. It's so much fun being mobbed by AI-played Borg Probes and Cubes when Klingon caps decide I'm easy pickings because I'm down to 1% Hull Points. I'm absolutely ecstatic that you've made it easy for the mentally juvenile to grief the hell out of an already tedious mission. Again, thanks so much.



    Your pal,
    predcon

    PS, That was a great move on your part letting players block me in chat while they troll me in-game. It's absolutely super that I can't ask a player nicely to back the hell off while I'm being TRIBBLE(imilated)-***** by a million-and-one Borg.


    If you dont got the stones for it theres always farmville
  • fredscarranfredscarran Member Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Kerrat is the only interesting PVP. It is unfortunate I have so much grinding to do to get a good PVP ship, or else I'd spend all my time there.

    You know what would be perfect? Like 5 Kerrat dailies a day.
  • fredscarranfredscarran Member Posts: 222 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skanvak wrote: »
    I do have issue with Kerrat because it does not feel like, well, a war zone. It look like an Omega team mission. As the KDF and SF decided to allie to fight Borg why do they fight here? Why so many Borg here?

    This is the Klingon Empire and UFP war front and we have a Borg repair station as the focus of the battle!?! Seriuosly, that a big disbelieve for me.

    A war zone should be about the war between the KDF and SF not the fight against the borg. Even if the concept is not that bad, I think this mission should stay bu only in PVE and moved to Omega sector.

    How about a new and improved Kerret:

    -Buff the Borg, add an asteroid in the middle or something, make the map a little more interesting.

    -1/3rd Romulan players, 1/3rd Klingon players, 1/3rd Federation players enter the map and a countdown starts that only Romulan players can see.

    -Meanwhile all factions are joined in an alliance to defeat the borg. We're all one big happy family.

    -The countdown timer is between 1 and 5 minutes from when the map starts, and it's randomized. Only Romulan players can see it. When the countdown timer is up the Romulan players become hostile to the Klingon and Federation players, vice versa.




    It's called "Stab em in the back Kerret".
  • roxbadroxbad Member Posts: 695
    edited July 2013
    predcon wrote: »
    It's so much fun being mobbed by AI-played Borg Probes and Cubes when Klingon caps decide I'm easy pickings because I'm down to 1% Hull Points. I'm absolutely ecstatic that you've made it easy for the mentally juvenile to grief the hell out of an already tedious mission. Again, thanks so much.

    Yeah. It is so much fun. A lot more fun than standing around in a war zone feeling completely safe, because the AI won't hunt you down.
  • kain9primekain9prime Member Posts: 739 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    predcon wrote: »
    Dear Cryptic/PWE,
    Thank you so much for enabling PvP in maps with objectives. I really love fighting two-fronted wars between CPU enemies and griefing SOBs. Nothing makes my day quite like trying to scan a Borg Decryption Node when all of a sudden an enemy Rom captain decloaks and ambushes me. It's so much fun being mobbed by AI-played Borg Probes and Cubes when Klingon caps decide I'm easy pickings because I'm down to 1% Hull Points. I'm absolutely ecstatic that you've made it easy for the mentally juvenile to grief the hell out of an already tedious mission. Again, thanks so much.



    Your pal,
    predcon

    PS, That was a great move on your part letting players block me in chat while they troll me in-game. It's absolutely super that I can't ask a player nicely to back the hell off while I'm being TRIBBLE(imilated)-***** by a million-and-one Borg.
    Here's a Lockbox of tissues for you. Seriously, nothing says "I cry" more than ^^ this ^^ post...
    The artist formally known as Romulus_Prime
  • stoutesstoutes Member Posts: 4,219 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Nvm my post, too hot here..
    maxvitor wrote: »
    Nerf is OP, plz nerf
    That's quite the paradox, how could you nerf nerf when the nerf is nerfed. But how would the nerf be nerfed when the nerf is nerfed? This allows the nerf not to be nerfed since the nerf is nerfed? But if the nerf isn't nerfed, it could still nerf nerfs. But as soon as the nerf is nerfed, the nerf power is lost. So paradoxally it the nerf nerf lost its nerf, while it's still nerfed, which cannot be because the nerf was unable to nerf.

    I call it, the Stoutes paradox.
  • skanvakskanvak Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I should state that it is normal that a warzone does not have equal number of player. This is WAR.

    An english officer once said "If you find yourself in a fair battle, some one has made a mistake at some point before."
  • skanvakskanvak Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    How about a new and improved Kerret:

    -Buff the Borg, add an asteroid in the middle or something, make the map a little more interesting.

    -1/3rd Romulan players, 1/3rd Klingon players, 1/3rd Federation players enter the map and a countdown starts that only Romulan players can see.

    -Meanwhile all factions are joined in an alliance to defeat the borg. We're all one big happy family.

    -The countdown timer is between 1 and 5 minutes from when the map starts, and it's randomized. Only Romulan players can see it. When the countdown timer is up the Romulan players become hostile to the Klingon and Federation players, vice versa.

    Why not. At least it will more feel like it. Why do you think the Romulan should betray the other...really?
  • praxi5praxi5 Member Posts: 1,562 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wait, is someone complaining that they got killed by another player in a PvP zone?
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    skanvak wrote: »
    I do have issue with Kerrat because it does not feel like, well, a war zone. It look like an Omega team mission. As the KDF and SF decided to allie to fight Borg why do they fight here? Why so many Borg here?
    Well, based on the "time" of the game, Kerrat is set in the time before Omega Force forms, as you are first introduced to it when you are a lowly level 4 or 5 noob. Omega Force doesn't come into being until sometime later.

    Time in this game, however, works a bit odd, as STO is a themepark and you can thus always return to the rides.

    Also, Kerrat is great. Without Kerrat, I'd never really be able to get any PvP in at all, as the Arena format is utterly incompatible with those who don't have their own 5-man drill team on hand. If you're entirely fixated on scanning nodes to the exclusion of any murdering, well, you're missing the point of Kerrat. Go murder someone. Forget the silly nodes. You're doing it wrong, anyway.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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