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What would it take to make you play shuttle content?
similon
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As we all now, shuttle content isn't exactly the most popular part of the game.
I wazs recently thinking about this, and as much as I love the aesthetics of it, I simply can't tolerate the lack of Boff abilities.
So what puts you off?
I wazs recently thinking about this, and as much as I love the aesthetics of it, I simply can't tolerate the lack of Boff abilities.
So what puts you off?
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The day will not save them. And we own the night.
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
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As it is now.. WAY too hard for pugging purposes.
Fun otherwise.
We need more missions like this.. big maps.. pew pew with objectives.
All shuttle content is just too time restrained IMO
Your Javelin deals 125417 (89066) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Recluse. > lol
What I can remember: I don't know if it's still an issue/bug, but if you had your starship as primary and you would like to know the stats for... lets say a shield, the stats for the shuttle would show up.
When you got damaged in Elite STFs and you like to repair during the STF you would first get the shuttle info and had to switch to your starship and THEN fix your ship..
Small but so F***** anoying.... FOR ME that is. Not speaking for everyone.
And just alot of that kind of bugs, I just got fed up with it and removed all my shuttles. That did help me! My problems with shuttles were gone!
With all other things/bugs/issues that gets totally ignored by Cryptic/PWE there is not much to put me over the edge and go postal over the silliest thing.
My 2 cents
For me that means:
Yeah that still happens :P
The day will not save them. And we own the night.
Hypnosis?
A gun to my head?
Hrmm, those are some of the things that come to mind about making me play shuttle content.
As for what puts me off? I think it's simpler to say that nothing puts me on about shuttles...not a single thing comes to mind.
Having to change ships.
Having only 1 or 2 BOFF powers, and spamming a couple of beam arrays.
If I want to be L1 again, I'll just roll a new character.
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These, exactly. Agreed +1.
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Maybe if we got a runabout with 3 lt boff slots and some decent weapons to choose from I might get interested. Until then, no thanks
The (relatively) simplified and streamlined operating of a shuttle's powers gives me more attention that I can pay to helm control. And I really, really enjoy the practice and maneuvering that goes into shuttle vs. shuttle combat.*
You're right that shuttle builds are limited. That scarcity present a different set of challenges than outfitting a full-on starship. And I like different. Different is good.*
The two shuttle events get bonus points from me because they're actually pretty hard, which is really refreshing. I find difficult tasks far less likely to become monotonous, like the three core STFs usually are.
* When one first starts doing shuttle missions, yeah, it can be tricky to keep anything forward-facing on-target for very long. You just need to develop different tactics to engage other small craft than you would use against cruisers or cubes.
I fly a standard runabout with the Jem'hadar set and a pair of polaron beam banks. I've found ways to fly my shuttle such that I rarely feel like I'm being flown circles around. I'm hardly super-skilled at this game or anything-- it just takes practice is all.
* Exceptions apply, of course. For me, though, shuttle missions are good-different instead of bad-different or different-different.
-- Winston Churchill
edit: Don't get me wrong - I got popped a few times; but it was more fun than just flying around in circles waiting for targets to die which is what most shuttle content is...meh.
Which to an extent brings up a point that might satisfy some folks...why not just run any of the non-STF/Fleet action missions/episodes/etc in a shuttle?
I would like to see more solo shuttle content perhaps even random encounters similar to the exploration clusters.
I'm not going to say that you're doing it wrong, because you're not, but I would venture that such builds are the boring way to play a shuttle. Easier, but boring.
Honestly, a shuttle can put out some pretty impressive firepower, especially compared to the durability of their targets.*
Shuttles are a bit fragile, sure-- insofar as they generally have poor access to healing. That said, one doesn't really die all that often most of the time if one keeps their speed up, plays with their shield power between furballs, and can put out enough damage to knock out their assailants quickly.
A single shuttle still isn't a self-sufficient fighting force in the two shuttle events. Which is great, since it forces teamwork. I love it when a mission forces people to chat or otherwise coordinate.
Things can get out of hand and be very difficult to recover from, yes. But that's what makes those missions challenging and fun-- because there's a real and likely chance of failure.*
Short answer is because the game doesn't let you. In the game's present build, a player has one starship and one shuttle "readied" at a given time. If you launch a starship mission, the game sticks you in your starship. Same deal if you launch a shuttle mission.
Not that you'd want to even if you could, mind you...
* I'm bringing up my shuttle build again because it's what I have experience with, but it does crank out 2400 DPS at the top of its DBBs' firing cycle, before applying any damage buffs, like APA, Weapons Batteries, or BA:O. In fact, I recently discovered that my runabout can stack APA and Fire on My Target to strip the shields from a T'varo in the Vault event in under two firing cycles, then wipe out its entire allotment of Hull Points with a single Overload.
I guess my point is that an offensively-weighted shuttle can really crank out the hurt in a shuttle mission. >)
* As far as Atmosphere Assault is concerned, I'm defining "failure" as 1) didn't get the optional for this wave; or 2) got crummy marks for allowing the shroomies to gut the local infrastructure.
-- Winston Churchill
I did the same thing.
Got blown up a few times in elite stfs and wanted to repair the ship. And every. single. time. the shuttle came up. Drove me nuts so it got axed.
My shuttle-less existance is very balanced now.
So on the guy that I just finished "Flying High" on, I decided to test this out. Hopped in his Danube and...
...picked up Secret Orders, headed to the Briar Patch, and tada - he's in his Danube.
...picked up Minefield, headed to the Sierra Outpost II System, and tada - he's in his Danube.
...picked up Badlands, headed to the Badlands System, and tada - he's in his Danube.
Etc, etc, etc...just set small craft as active and that will be the ship you do the mission in.
Keeping things in a forward arc is nearly impossible because enemies whip around you at light speed and your forward arc is insanely tiny. So using a Fighter who's main thrill is using cannons means that you have to use a Turret or Single Cannon to ever hit anything instead of Dual Cannons like you see them using.
Our Fighters and Shuttles are pathetic compared to what is launched from the bays of Carriers. I would expect to have the same level of abilities and equipment as an Elite Fighter when flying my C-Store Fightercraft but NO... I am even more pathetic than the normal version aside from Captain abilities. I have less guns, less survivability, and less accuracy it would seem.
What it would take to make me like Shuttle Play more is this:
Stop sending me up against waves of enemy fighters and such... That is just the same thing in a pathetically weak ship instead of doing it in my normal monster. If I am in a shuttle I should be taking apart enemies from the inside out, blowing out key systems, shutting down specific parts of the enemy vessel rather than fighting swarms of little guys. I cannot help but think Star Fox here where you always had to gun down the weak spot of a big scary Boss ship and even went into the interior of enemy bases and had to blow away their cores.
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My current favorite is the playable Scorpion Fighter.
It can mount cannons, but can't actually take any cannon BOFF powers (nor has built in CRF like the Peregrine).
Well... It has the Overload power which sort of acts like CRF and Beam Overloads all in one. However, it does still suffer... I mean an Elite Scorp has THY I, Dual Plasma Cannons, A Plasma Turret, a Plasma Torpedo... Seems a bit unfair ours only has 2 Weapon Slots among other things.
-- Winston Churchill
Also, I think some shuttle events aren't all that well designed. For example, the Vault Shuttle mission is one I consistently always fail at the second room. In the last five attempts I remember having done, even doing my utmost to be everywhere, zap everything zappable and trigger mission objectives, the mission fails in the end because not all NPC enemies have been destroyed before the timer runs out.
It's really frustrating to fail, know why, try again later taking pains not to have the same happen, and see that even that effort is an exercise in futility.
Yeah, they changed the queues at some point - too many folks were complaining that people were trolling the queues with shuttles/fighters. There was a minor uproar about it from some folks asking that at least the private queues be left the same because they liked running shuttles/fighters...don't think Cryptic ever implemented the private change so people could still run shuttles/fighters.
From my many, many runs at it (I got a Mk XII blue Reman set out of it, back before the NR reputation line-- that's a lot of runs!), I've come to the conclusion that the Vault Shuttle Event is designed in such a way that you need at least half of the team acting in a coordinated fashion to execute it correctly. And it's very well-designed for that purpose.
In the second room, for example, you usually need to split up and go after the nodes in order to save time, and it really helps to have someone who will notice when a T'varo has agro on someone working a power core and who is willing to head over there to either draw the T'varo's fire, or just kill it quickly.
So, yeah, it can get pretty frustrating when you have a team of no-talkers trying to Kirk it up in there. The mission is designed for pretty much the exact opposite play-style.
*Shrugs* Maybe I'm just weird, but VSE seems to be one of only two, maybe three missions in STO right now that really require adaptive coordination and cross-chatter to do well at. Which, y'know, I think is pretty cool of it.
-- Winston Churchill
I find it frustrating that it is not very well explained what you are supposed to be doing in many cases so coordinating becomes hard without having someone who has done it before with you. Even then because you do not have much in the way of prep time to talk it over you are IMMEDIATELY on the clock trying to get things in order on the fly with folks who may or may not understand you or cooperate...
I still say STO is the most SILENT MMO I have EVER played. People hardly ever say a darn thing in STO.
It's one shard/server for the international community at large - it's quite possible that if more folks were speaking, you might not understand what they were saying anyway.
1) The starship-shuttle transition. It constantly messes up my UI when I switch.
2) Athmosphere Assault: You start it on through the queues, for example, after you finish, you'll always end up somewhere in Romulan nowhere-land in your shuttlecraft. It's just too tedious to limp back to Q'onos, Sol or the far side of Cardassian space where I started, every time I finish the mission
3) The Vault: While it's fun in a fixed group, it's too much of a gamble in a PuG, since you only get rewards when you finsih the whole thing. Rewards for finsishing partial objectives, as in most other queue event would be better.
4) There are a few things which make shuttle events into true P2W content. Certain consoles and weapons that are only obtainable through the store and that only have minor impact on "big ship" gameplay are way over the top in shuttle content (point-defense, precise lockbox trait or theta radiation comes to mind). 5 ships running point-defense consoles and that time them somewhat make athmosphere assualt, an otherwise challenging encounter almost trivial.
The Shuttle Weapons are poor-you're better off mounting a 'Big Craft' weapon.
Even then, you have two Fore Slots. Whilst this makes Beam Overload a viable choice(You're not sacrificing anything for it), it means your targets need to be fairly weak themselves. The walkers of Atmosphere Assault are my first thought as an example of something which is horrifically strong for even a team of 5 shuttles to take down. Massive health, massive shielding, and you've got two weapons each. 1.1 if one of them is a Torpedo till the shields drop, 1.5 if the torpedo is a Harg'Peng(That secondary explosion is nice).
Bad means to deal with multiple targets. Fire At Will can only do so much with two beams tops.
Lack of powers. One universal slot means there's only so much you can do in terms of offence OR defence. If you choose defence, you're doing normal shots only. If you choose offence, there's little you can do to keep yourself from death.
Shuttles are a good thing to use the various Sets on, as they need all the help they can get.
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