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Mirror Universe Romulans...

zenzenarimasenzenzenarimasen Member Posts: 181 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I recently obtained a mirror universe Romulan vessel on my rommy character. What does "A.R.W." Standfor? I'm pretty sure R is Romulan but I can't even begin to think of what A or W are...
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Afaik ... Romulans are part of "The Alliance" (see DS9) ... so it has to be Allied/Alliance Romulan Warbird ...
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Alliance
    Warbird (just like the "W" in RRW stands for "Warbird")
  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited July 2013
    zenzenarimasen wrote: »
    I recently obtained a mirror universe Romulan vessel on my rommy character. What does "A.R.W." Standfor? I'm pretty sure R is Romulan but I can't even begin to think of what A or W are...

    Perhaps "Alliance" but probably "Alternate" since very little is known about them.

    What we can piece together reasonably:

    They did NOT fight the Terran Empire under Empress Hoshi or make their presence felt, because the mirror universe diverged from standard history on earth and there was inconsistent knowledge about cloaking devices in the Mirror Universe.

    They DID back the Terran rebels circa DS9.

    I suspect Kestrel is running with the idea that they're a reluctant part of the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance.

    Also, incidentally, it's more than likely that their Romulus never blew up because Picard/Taris never awoke their Iconians

    I've always had a wildly unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that the Mirror Romulans secretly backed the Terran Empire the whole way and possibly shaped that version of Earth's history through interference on behalf of the Romans. Their Roman qualities seem too similar to be a coincidence.

    And one problem I have with the Enterprise two parter is that two hundred residents of rural Bozeman with a hijacked science ship could enslave all of Vulcan. I think Cochrane needed a backer with the tech and the motivation to have earth enslave Vulcan.

    If I ever did a novel, I'd probably play with the idea of the early separatist Vulcans stopping on earth and encountering the Romans. In the regular universe, they leave. And in the Mirror Universe, they stay and start playing political chess on earth with humans as puppet emperors, no one the wiser that the all-powerful "emperor" is just a Romulan backed governor.
  • mewmaster101mewmaster101 Member Posts: 1,239 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    Perhaps "Alliance" but probably "Alternate" since very little is known about them.
    .

    Nope, it's almost definitely "alliance", The AKS stands for alliance Klingon ship and its just common sense that the Romulans would have the same thing since they are part of hte same government.
  • ussdelphin2ussdelphin2 Member Posts: 525 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I would say Alliance.

    With all this Mirror universe stuff I think it would be pretty cool to have an FE in the Mirror universe or one in the prime universe but your mirror self tries to replace you...... maybe even a sort of nemesis system from Champs but your mirror self turns up now and again and is a right royal pain in the backside.
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  • daveynydaveyny Member Posts: 8,227 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Another Romulan Warbird

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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    Perhaps "Alliance" but probably "Alternate" since very little is known about them.

    What we can piece together reasonably:

    They did NOT fight the Terran Empire under Empress Hoshi or make their presence felt, because the mirror universe diverged from standard history on earth and there was inconsistent knowledge about cloaking devices in the Mirror Universe.

    They DID back the Terran rebels circa DS9.

    I suspect Kestrel is running with the idea that they're a reluctant part of the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance.

    Also, incidentally, it's more than likely that their Romulus never blew up because Picard/Taris never awoke their Iconians

    I've always had a wildly unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that the Mirror Romulans secretly backed the Terran Empire the whole way and possibly shaped that version of Earth's history through interference on behalf of the Romans. Their Roman qualities seem too similar to be a coincidence.

    And one problem I have with the Enterprise two parter is that two hundred residents of rural Bozeman with a hijacked science ship could enslave all of Vulcan. I think Cochrane needed a backer with the tech and the motivation to have earth enslave Vulcan.

    If I ever did a novel, I'd probably play with the idea of the early separatist Vulcans stopping on earth and encountering the Romans. In the regular universe, they leave. And in the Mirror Universe, they stay and start playing political chess on earth with humans as puppet emperors, no one the wiser that the all-powerful "emperor" is just a Romulan backed governor.

    I myself have been growing really curious about all of the gaps in the Mirror Universe history...some of the things I'm curious about will probably never get answered but other parts can.

    I would journey a guess there was nothing like the High Command in that universe...so maybe Vulcan's were more open with technology sharing? Shared to much technology to the point where it doomed Vulcan?

    The Humans faked a Alliance with the Vulcans till they got the technology they needed to take over Vulcan? I mean you figure even if they reverse engineered the technology from the Vulcan ships that it would be hard for Earth in the state they were in to take over Vulcan. But I suppose that is true if Earth had the same past in the Mirror Universe, in that World War III killed millions apon millions.
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  • zenzenarimasenzenzenarimasen Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'd like to see a mirror universe story arc that goes beyond the small snippets we see here and there.
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  • sonnikkusonnikku Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Wouldn't mirror ships rip regular Fed ships to shreds? Seems like they put a wee bit more emphasis into the weapons development and tactical systems.
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    According to wiki the Romulan prefixes are ARW (Alliance Romulan Warbird) or IRW (Imperial Romulan Warbird).
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    Perhaps "Alliance" but probably "Alternate" since very little is known about them.

    What we can piece together reasonably:

    They did NOT fight the Terran Empire under Empress Hoshi or make their presence felt, because the mirror universe diverged from standard history on earth and there was inconsistent knowledge about cloaking devices in the Mirror Universe.

    They DID back the Terran rebels circa DS9.

    I suspect Kestrel is running with the idea that they're a reluctant part of the Klingon/Cardassian Alliance.

    Also, incidentally, it's more than likely that their Romulus never blew up because Picard/Taris never awoke their Iconians

    I've always had a wildly unsubstantiated conspiracy theory that the Mirror Romulans secretly backed the Terran Empire the whole way and possibly shaped that version of Earth's history through interference on behalf of the Romans. Their Roman qualities seem too similar to be a coincidence.

    And one problem I have with the Enterprise two parter is that two hundred residents of rural Bozeman with a hijacked science ship could enslave all of Vulcan. I think Cochrane needed a backer with the tech and the motivation to have earth enslave Vulcan.

    If I ever did a novel, I'd probably play with the idea of the early separatist Vulcans stopping on earth and encountering the Romans. In the regular universe, they leave. And in the Mirror Universe, they stay and start playing political chess on earth with humans as puppet emperors, no one the wiser that the all-powerful "emperor" is just a Romulan backed governor.

    The inconsistency about cloaking devices is bigger than you think:
    in episodes before "The Emperor's new Cloak" we have seen MU Klingon ships use cloaking devices...so it's so inconsistent it does not require any in-universe explanation unless you can come up with one that makes the Klingons unlearn cloaking tech and forces them to remove it from their ships.
  • zenzenarimasenzenzenarimasen Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    Wouldn't mirror ships rip regular Fed ships to shreds? Seems like they put a wee bit more emphasis into the weapons development and tactical systems.

    Not necessarily. It was hinted at in the noncanon game Star Trek Voyager: Elite Force, and actually said outright in DS9's mirror episodes that following regular Kirk's talk with Mirror Spock that Mirror Spock ended up destroying the Terran Empire with a revolt. This put Terran R&D on hold for quite some time.

    Elite Force actually had it being that they the original Constitution class was still considered state of the art tech. DS9 had Smiley infiltrating regular DS9 and stealing the plans for the Defiant so he could build a mirror replica, since the tech was so much more advanced than anything any Terran shipyard ward capable of even coming close to producing.

    And we see in Archer's time that the original Constitution Class wasn't even independently produced in the Mirror Universe, a regular universe Constitution class was stolen by Mirror Archer's crew from the regular universe via a Tholian base (that's why
    Tholians seem to randomly spawn mirror universe ships... the Tholians bridge the gap between the two universes).

    So in all likelihood, it seems that after Mirror Archer's little act of transdimensional piracy that the Mirror Universe Terrans never had a single original ship design of their own. They just copy and modify regular universe tech.
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  • trhrangerxmltrhrangerxml Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Romulans are neutral in the Mirror U and even more isolationist than in the Prime U, so where did Allied Romulan Warbird come from is anyone's guess, since Romulans aren't part of the Alliance.
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  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    trhrangerxml wrote: »
    Romulans are neutral in the Mirror U and even more isolationist than in the Prime U, so where did Allied Romulan Warbird come from is anyone's guess, since Romulans aren't part of the Alliance.

    Well :
    1. Afaik they only mentioned Romulans once in the MU :
    The only canonical mention was in the 1995 Star Trek: Deep Space Nine episode Through the Looking Glass. Benjamin Sisko, impersonating his Mirror Universe counterpart, claims that he is going to negotiate with the Romulans to secure their aid for the Terran Rebellion, suggesting that the Romulans are a significant power. However, this is merely a cover-story to explain his departure from the mirror Deep Space Nine, after which he would return to his own universe.
    2. 40 years have passed ...
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,897 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    sonnikku wrote: »
    Wouldn't mirror ships rip regular Fed ships to shreds? Seems like they put a wee bit more emphasis into the weapons development and tactical systems.

    But Starfleet I would imagine would be counter to that in that their defensive systems would superior to the Mirror Imperial vessels.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Romulans were never part of the Alliance. If i recall they were fighting against them. Then again with the terrans back in power I suppose the Romulans could of signed up
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Romulans were never part of the Alliance. If i recall they were fighting against them. Then again with the terrans back in power I suppose the Romulans could of signed up

    Remember? How can you remeber something that didn't happen in the shows? ;)
    The only thing known is that MU Sisko wanted to ask them to fight the Alliance...which he never did because he died.
  • flash525flash525 Member Posts: 5,441 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    daveyny wrote: »
    Another Romulan Warbird
    Hah, love it. ;)
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Remember? How can you remeber something that didn't happen in the shows? ;)
    The only thing known is that MU Sisko wanted to ask them to fight the Alliance...which he never did because he died.

    uhh it was in one of the dark mirror books... kira says something about letting the orions have shipments heading for the romulan front
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  • mailman650mailman650 Member Posts: 159 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I was under the impression that MU Romulans were insanely xenophobic/germophobic. I pretty much pictured them walking around in decontamination suits and vaporizing anything that dares cross their borders to "pollute".
  • matrix0matrix0 Member Posts: 261 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It's true that mirror universe ships focus on offensive feature - Hence, I find it's weird that rom mirror ship have only a lt tac. However, the mirror universe technology are behind our universe.
  • cheiftan1337cheiftan1337 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I see the Mirror universe more posible fate for the human race....
  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    cheiftan1337 wrote: »
    I see the Mirror universe more posible fate for the human race....

    That's pretty much obvious.

    Star Trek has a very idealistic view of humans, something very, very detached from how we actually are, very likely an American's first response to some alien landing in front of him is exactly what happened in the Mirror Universe.
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  • skyranger1414skyranger1414 Member Posts: 1,785 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »

    And one problem I have with the Enterprise two parter is that two hundred residents of rural Bozeman with a hijacked science ship could enslave all of Vulcan. I think Cochrane needed a backer with the tech and the motivation to have earth enslave Vulcan.

    Really? I have zero problems with the humans using the tech from one captured sci ship/long range shuttle to eventually conquer the Vulcans.

    Its even a trope!
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  • leviathan99#2867 leviathan99
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    edited July 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    The inconsistency about cloaking devices is bigger than you think:
    in episodes before "The Emperor's new Cloak" we have seen MU Klingon ships use cloaking devices...so it's so inconsistent it does not require any in-universe explanation unless you can come up with one that makes the Klingons unlearn cloaking tech and forces them to remove it from their ships.

    Actually, it does kinda fit with one of my pet ideas.

    One of the problems with Mirror Universe history is where and how it diverges. There are historical records and the opening Enterprise credits suggesting it was many centuries back. And yet, it's STILL SO SIMILAR.

    One of the ideas I played with is that Mirror Romulans not only culturally contaminated earth but may have done it "retroactively" with spies, sabotage, and fake data.

    For example, maybe the Mirror Universe was the same until World War III but the Romulans went in and tweaked all the historical records at humanity's low ebb to manipulate what they became.

    In turn, they could possibly do the same thing to the Klingons, destroying their cloaks and deleting records.

    I kinda like the idea of the MU being a place where Romulans have absolute control over historical records. They can swoop in and alter all the historical records of a planet in weeks or months (or over time) to suit their agenda and swoop out without ever directly engaging.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stoleviathan99 wrote: »
    Actually, it does kinda fit with one of my pet ideas.

    One of the problems with Mirror Universe history is where and how it diverges. There are historical records and the opening Enterprise credits suggesting it was many centuries back. And yet, it's STILL SO SIMILAR.

    One of the ideas I played with is that Mirror Romulans not only culturally contaminated earth but may have done it "retroactively" with spies, sabotage, and fake data.

    For example, maybe the Mirror Universe was the same until World War III but the Romulans went in and tweaked all the historical records at humanity's low ebb to manipulate what they became.

    In turn, they could possibly do the same thing to the Klingons, destroying their cloaks and deleting records.

    I kinda like the idea of the MU being a place where Romulans have absolute control over historical records. They can swoop in and alter all the historical records of a planet in weeks or months (or over time) to suit their agenda and swoop out without ever directly engaging.

    Orwellian superpower...well it would be the only explanation how the MU Klingons used cloaking tech in season 4 and then suddenly insisted there was no cloaking tech in season 7. Maybe the Romulans added mind control drugs to the food supply.:P
  • zenzenarimasenzenzenarimasen Member Posts: 181 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    matrix0 wrote: »
    It's true that mirror universe ships focus on offensive feature - Hence, I find it's weird that rom mirror ship have only a lt tac. However, the mirror universe technology are behind our universe.

    The reason is that it's only the Terran ships which are more offensive. If you compare Romulan to Mirror Romulan, there's a science focus. I'm unsure about Klingons, maybe they have more of an engineering focus, i don't know...
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