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When did the Klingons conqueor the Wadi Homeworld?

omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
I knew only Klingon and not Federation could get Wadi doffs, but I did not know why till now. Read the description of the Wadi Officer Exchange doff assignment below.


"The High Command has order the implementation of officer exchange programs to assist integration of Imperial Protectorates. The Wadi are presenting one of their own officers or civilian contractors to serve on your ship in exchange for one of your own officers who will show them proper Imperial practice."

When did the Wadi become an Imperial Protectorate?
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    There is a Dosi and Ferasans verison of this assignment too. Knew the Ferasans were an Imperial Protectorate, did not know about Wadi and Dosi. If the Wadi and Dosi are Imperial Protectorates how and when did this happen?

    Also there is two assignment chains to help the Dosi and Wadi colonize a planet.

    Should the Klingons get Dosi and Wadi as playable races and Bridge Officers?
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    They didn't ...
    Wikipedia wrote:
    In history, the term protectorate has two different meanings. In its earliest inception, which has been adopted by modern international law, it is an autonomous territory that is protected diplomatically or militarily against third parties by a stronger state or entity. In exchange for this, the protectorate usually accepts specified obligations, which may vary greatly, depending on the real nature of their relationship. However, it retains formal sovereignty, and remains a state under international law. A territory subject to this type of arrangement is also known as a protected state.

    .. which only means, they're allied somehow ...
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Oh, well the Dosi and Wadi share the same status as the Ferasans and the Ferasans can be captains and bridge officers so that part still stands. Still wouldn't mind hearing more about it in game. What's the relationship exactly between the Empire and the Ferasans, Wadi, and Dosi?
  • frostovskifrostovski Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Kind of odd that the Dosi & Wadi homeworlds would end up as imperial protectorates, considering they're both in the gamma quadrant, and the Dosi in particular are either part of the dominion, or their territory is right on their doorstep. Cryptic should really either give us an indication of what happened, or just change this text to something more logical.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    frostovski wrote: »
    Kind of odd that the Dosi & Wadi homeworlds would end up as imperial protectorates, considering they're both in the gamma quadrant, and the Dosi in particular are either part of the dominion, or their territory is right on their doorstep. Cryptic should really either give us an indication of what happened, or just change this text to something more logical.

    The Dominion is pretty much gone after the Dominion War ... and again protectorate could mean everythng, from
    "part of their empire" to "they have diplomatic relations"

    In other words -> protectorate = some easy way to give Klingons some cool new Doffs, no questions asked :P
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    The Dominion is pretty much gone after the Dominion War

    Wrong. The Dominion is alive and well in the Gamma Quadrant.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    stirling191 wrote: »
    Wrong. The Dominion is alive and well in the Gamma Quadrant.

    That's just semantics, of course it's alive ... but it's not the same Dominion as during the 2370's ... the female changeling just went to prison for 40 years, while Odo obviously told them to let go of all their vassal states like the Karemma, Dosi, Wadi etc etc etc ...
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  • frostovskifrostovski Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    The Dominion is pretty much gone after the Dominion War ... and again protectorate could mean everythng, from "part of their empire" to "they have diplomatic relations"

    The Dominion left the alpha quadrant after the Dominion War. It's still very much alive and well in the gamma quadrant (as seen in "Operation Gamma"). And while protectorate is a somewhat vague term, it does imply at minimum some form of defence pact, ie that the empire is committed to "protecting" the Dosi. This wouldn't make any sense if the Dosi where part of the Dominion. It might be possible if they were a independent state neighboring Dominion territory, but that situation sounds like a second Dominion War just waiting to happen.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    frostovski wrote: »
    The Dominion left the alpha quadrant after the Dominion War. It's still very much alive and well in the gamma quadrant (as seen in "Operation Gamma"). And while protectorate is a somewhat vague term, it does imply at minimum some form of defence pact, ie that the empire is committed to "protecting" the Dosi. This wouldn't make any sense if the Dosi where part of the Dominion. It might be possible if they were a independent state neighboring Dominion territory, but that situation sounds like a second Dominion War just waiting to happen.

    Have you played "Boldly they rode", and watched "What you leave behind", the female changeling seems to be the Federation pet by now, and just told a giant Jem'hadar Army to let it go, while the Dominion was probably controlled by Odo for the last 40 years ... there is no more need to "explain" this ... 2nd Dominion War ... that's kind of like expecting Western Germany to attack the USA in the 60's
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  • frostovskifrostovski Member Posts: 46 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    Have you played "Boldly they rode", and watched "What you leave behind", the female changeling seems to be the Federation pet by now, and just told a giant Jem'hadar Army to let it go, while the Dominion was probably controlled by Odo for the last 40 years ... there is no more need to "explain" this ... 2nd Dominion War ... that's kind of like expecting Western Germany to attack the USA in the 60's

    Well, yes and no. We saw in DS9 that where dozens of changelings, so the loss of one, and the introduction of a more reform-minded one, wouldn't be likely to lead to a major change in Dominion policy. On the other hand, if the story "Olympus Descending" from the "Worlds of Deep Space Nine" series is taken as part of STO's back-story, then !!SPOILER ALERT!!--> Odo has been running the Dominion single-handedly for the last 40 years.

    I'm not saying it's impossible that the Dosi (and the Wadi) are now Klingon Protectorates, I'm just saying that it would make for some interesting stories if this were the case. If cryptic's going to go down this path, then I hope we get to visit the gamma quadrant and get some interesting story-line missions.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Well as mentioned before, my guess is that it's just same lame TRIBBLE excuse to sell the Gamma Quadrant DOFF packs (while it might makes sense, because of the weakened Dominion) ... thats probably why the choose the term "protectorate" which doesn't even imply protecting them with military actions ... they could just condemn the invaders/attackers diplomatically (might not be very Klingon, but thats just how vague this term is ...)

    Some background info might be interesting, but my guess is we'll have to wait till "Cardassian Faction" / or at least "Cardassian Reputation" :P
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,875 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    omegaphallic wrote: »
    There is a Dosi and Ferasans verison of this assignment too. Knew the Ferasans were an Imperial Protectorate, did not know about Wadi and Dosi. If the Wadi and Dosi are Imperial Protectorates how and when did this happen?

    Also there is two assignment chains to help the Dosi and Wadi colonize a planet.

    Should the Klingons get Dosi and Wadi as playable races and Bridge Officers?

    I wouldn't complain if they were to become playable races for the KDF...would be nice to see some new races...especially a Dosi...they can be the KDF's Ferengi? :D
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  • hevachhevach Member Posts: 2,777 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Really have to pay attention to the entirety of those assignment chains, both the consulate chains and the colony chains they reference. The KDF has helped the Dosi and Wadi establish colonies outside of Dominion authority, as has the Federation with the Karemma and Paradans, both factions even going so far as providing our own colonists too boost their labor force. These exchange offers are coming from those colonies, not from the homeworlds. The Gamma quadrant races are getting a lot more out of these arrangements than the handful of officers that Starfleet and the KDF are getting (and for every officer they get, they send one of their own to balance it).

    Edit: And people saying "play Boldly they Rode," should play it themselves. Few points: We see the Dominion is alive and strong, and will attack any ship coming through the wormhole in violation of the Treaty of Bajor (this is not new, as that's what appears to have happened to the Rapier just before traveling several years forward in time). The Founder we released is hardly a pet, as she even told us to our faces she'd spent forty years learning new reasons to hate us before making the most half hearted show of effort to keep her side of the bargain before shrugging and sticking us with the entire check.
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    That's just semantics, of course it's alive ... but it's not the same Dominion as during the 2370's ... the female changeling just went to prison for 40 years, while Odo obviously told them to let go of all their vassal states like the Karemma, Dosi, Wadi etc etc etc ...

    It's not semantics in the least. The Dominion still controls a sizable interstellar empire in the Gamma Quadrant, still has the iron fist of the Jem'Hadar at its disposal and is shown to be maintaining most if not all of its policies.

    It's just slightly less xenophobic and genocidal.
    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    Have you played "Boldly they rode", and watched "What you leave behind", the female changeling seems to be the Federation pet by now, and just told a giant Jem'hadar Army to let it go,

    She didn't tell a Jem'hadar army to let it go, she told a Jem'hadar army to stand down in exchange for her freedom. She was serving a life sentence, and for a being who can't die of old age, that's quite a long time to stay in a box. It was an entirely self-serving choice.

    thutmosis85 wrote: »
    Have you played "Boldly they rode", and watched "What you leave behind", the female changeling seems to be the Federation pet by now, and just told a giant Jem'hadar Army to let it go, while the Dominion was probably controlled by Odo for the last 40 years ... there is no more need to "explain" this ... 2nd Dominion War ... that's kind of like expecting Western Germany to attack the USA in the 60's

    You seriously misunderstand the relationship between the Dominion and the Federation.
  • thutmosis85thutmosis85 Member Posts: 2,358 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    hevach wrote: »
    These exchange offers are coming from those colonies, not from the homeworlds.

    Must have missed that part ... !?

    Karemma Officer Exchange Program :

    1. The Federation Council has asked your ship to deliver a classified communique to the Karemman government regarding the establishment of a more extensive diplomatic mission to Karemma.
    2. Security demands require an intensive sweep of the complex for the new consulate on Karemma..
    3. Security deficiencies require the installation of several new security systems in the new consulate on Karemma..
    4. One of your crew has been granted the honor of a diplomatic stationing at the new consulate on Karemma..

    Assignment:
    Station Deputy Ambassador at the Consulate on Karemma completed.
    1x Any Officer
    Purple Quality: Honorable, Teamwork
    Blue Quality: Honorable, Teamwork
    Green Quality: Aggressive, Unruly
    White Quality: Aggressive, Unruly

    -> so we obviously went through the wormhole to build consulates on Gamma Quadrant worlds ... and last time I checked, noone really knows what the "Treaty of Bajor" really says, in detail ... obviously traveling to (former) Dominion Space to build consulates there, isn't a problem ... => relationship between Federation & Dominion is pretty obvious ... they still might have the power to gloat, but they obviously are beyond controlling most their (former) vassals ...

    Karemma Colonial Team :

    1. Representatives of the Karemma are forming a team of colonial surveyors and support specialists to expand their holdings in the Gamma Quadrant. Make contact with them to lay the groundwork for future cooperation.
    2. The Karemma colonization teams have assembled a list of potential colonization sites. Send a team to assist in scientific surveys to determine the sites' viability.
    3. The Karemma colonization team is in need of manual labor for long-term assignment to frontier worlds.

    -> Source on following please !!
    hevach wrote: »
    establish colonies outside of Dominion authority

    Of course they are outside of Dominion authority ... because, all their homeworlds are as well .... and they obviously have the means/guts to even expand their territories, despite of the Dominion "presence" in the Gamma Quadrant ...

    What's your point here ... Homeworlds are still controlled by the Dominion, but some primitive colonies right around the corner are not ??? ... Seriously you just helped setting up a new colony ... where do you think these colonists just arrived from, to begin with ... and what's the difference ...

    btw : British Empire still exists, they still have Welsh Guards (Jem'Hadar) ... they just lost India, America etc (Dosi, Karemma, Wadi, Paradan) ... but hey they're obviously still powerful because they just recently went to war with Argentinia (were rude to some lonely shuttle / some Vorta captured one ship, in hope of impressing his gods) ... :P
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  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I looked and no where does it say the Dosi and Wadi are members of the Dominion. They're homeworlds are in the Gamma Quadrant. If the Dominion is acting agressive towards the Dosi and Wadi then it makes sense they'd be drawn to the military might of the empire as protection.

    The Empire loves to conqueor, but it seems to allow great autonomy to its subjects, so joining the Empire would still be preferable to being taken over by the Totalarian Theocracy of the Dominion.

    The Dosi and the Wadi would do well in the Empire.

    Still there is still so much of the Klingons story to be told, so many blanks to be filled in, such as the Letheans, Ferasans, Dosi, Wadi.

    I look through the Doff assignments to see what I can find.
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