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predcon
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How impressive are the 5000 Zen item bundles (ships, etc), and why should I shell out the equivalent of the price of a regular game to buy them?
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To be completely honest there is no real reason you should.
The odessey pack is nice enough if you like the look of the hull, but for most purposes you could get the same or better performance from an assault cruiser refit. The same goes for the bortas and a Vor'cha refit.
The Vesta pack Is genuinely good. The Vesta outclasses all other science ships in most situations. Possible exception being the wells temporal science ship which has its moments in PVP (vesta beats it in pve), but the vesta also has its pvp uses.
The Kumari pack isn't bad at all. You can get some fantastic DPS out of it. But you can also get fantastic DPS out of a MVAE or a Tactical escort retrofit, the fleet versions of which also boast the 5 tactical consoles.
As for the Scimitar... well I have never liked the hull so I have not acquired it. It has some grate potential statistically but it would be better if some one who owns it spoke for its virtues.
At the end of the day there is no reason you need to aquire any zen ships at all. Depending upon your choice of ship at level 40 you could have everything you need to be an asset to your team for any content. If you made a bad choice at 40, well there are always cheep mirror ships on the exchange.
Zen ships are nice. I have a good number of them. Fleet ships are better. In fact fleet ships are just as good as lockbox and lobi ships. I certainly fly them just as much. But a Mirror Universe Patrol Escort is all any one needs. Provided they don't need every advantage to compensate for not knowing how to build their ship or train their officers.
The only reason I bought the Vesta was because I wanted a hanger ship and I didn't like the look of the Atrox or HEC. Added to that it was account wide so one purchase did it unlike purchasing hanger ships off the exchange as I am not good at making EC. It didn't cost me a things as I used the dil exchange to save up for them as I am much better at getting dil than EC.
The Thaleron Pulse from the 3 consoles of the Scimitar is a nice effect to look at, but it does too little damage and takes far too long to power up to be useful. The extra turn rate you get with 2 of the consoles is ok as well, but barely noticeable. The only console I really use though is the one that keeps your shields up while cloaked.
The Kumari is much the same. The Wing Cannon Platforms are nice but die too fast to really be useful IMO (maybe that will change when the pet AI changes are made since they mostly die in warp core explosions). The Tachyon Induction Relay console is practically useless. With the raw dps of the Kumari, shields don't last very long anyway. The only thing I use from that pack now is the Phaser Dispersal Array.
The Odyssey 3 pack is also pretty useless IMO. Can't remember much about it except that when testing it I decided that using all 3 consoles was a waste.
The only good thing about buying the 3 pack is I get to choose which ship I like with which console I like and which ship pieces I like. I prefer the Scimitar itself but it comes with the Cloak Barrage console which I don't like. I like using the Singularity Distribution Console which comes with the Tulwar. And I like using a piece or two from the Falchion hull appearance. Was it worth the extra money? Well, I used dil converted to Zen instead of real money so yes it was worth it. Would it be worth it if it was real money, no way. Not for me anyway.
I didn't ask to be President of the Balloon Enterprises! The Balloon Enterprises demanded it!
That said, the bundles ARE FUN!! (just remember to take the console from each and stick it on your ship) And they usually come with set bonus ... which are ... a bonus really ...
I hope STO get's better ...
If this is true you are flying your scimitar wrong. The 2 pc set bonus for the scimitar is fantastic. Not for the +2 turn rate (which you must admit is decent as well), but for the +15 turn rate after exiting cloak. Your shields don't fall when you cloak, so cloak often (in fact, whenever you need to turn) stay cloaked for 3 seconds and then uncloak and not only do you get a damage boost but a huge turn rate boost too. Throw in one Reman boff or captain (seriously, you can afford to lose the 1.5% or 2% crit chance for this) and that (massive) turn buff (and the +20% damage) lasts for 13 - 15 seconds after cloaking for only 3 seconds.
To the OP, though, I have one thing to suggest. Fly a ship you want to fly. You can make anything in this game excel by learning how it flies and adapting a tactic you enjoy. Players (in fact probably players within my fleet, let alone the rest of the community) have pulled off 10k DPS in every T5 ship in the game, from the free T5 ships to the $50 3-packs.
Considering that you can succeed in PVE with 5k DPS and in PVP you can find a role for almost any ship (with the right build and team) the most important choice is what do you feel like flying.
Big, slow ship or Tiny, quick ship.
Beams that fire away at everything around you, or cannons with a limited arc of deadlier fire.
Altruistic Blue Team, Honorable, warlike Red Team, Persecuted and stoic Green Team.
All of the Rear Admiral (Tier 5) ships (the last free ones you can get) are suitable for all the endgame content. All of these ships are also available in their Mirror Universe variants on the Exchange for decent prices (less than 1M EC last I checked.)
If you want to talk about which ones are recommend, You'll have to give us more information like you play-style (broadsiding, stiffing, etc.) or if you just like cruisers, escorts or Science ships. Also what class of character you have (Engineer, Science, Tactical) - although all classes can play any type of ship.
Hope this helps!
SCE ADVISORY NOTICE: Improper Impulse Engine maintenance can result in REAR THRUSTER LEAKAGE. ALWAYS have your work inspected by another qualified officer.
As I said "The extra turn rate you get with 2 of the consoles is ok as well, but barely noticeable." I took it off and haven't noticed much change at all. If you do notice the change that's fine. But I don't really see it.
Using the cloak for the extra turn rate is fine but I don't really need the extra turn rate out of cloak. If I need the extra turn rate I cloak, point at the enemy and uncloak. I imagine the extra time with increased turn is very useful in PVP but I don't PVP.
"The Wing Cannon Platforms are nice but die too fast to really be useful IMO (maybe that will change when the pet AI changes are made since they mostly die in warp core explosions)."
I didn't say the cannon platforms were independent fighters. But they are independent of your ship with their own shields and hull and both are far too weak to survive warp core breaches and weapons fire. If the AI changes do help the Wing Cannons avoid warp core explosions then they might be more useful. But as they are, the way I fly, they die too fast. I'd rather use a plasmonic leech, another tactical console or armor.
Both of those are only really truly useful in PVP. I don't PVP so not really for me. In PVE, shields go down too fast for it to be useful to me and my accuracy is fine. Extra accuracy is helpful but not needed. I'd rather use a tac console for consistent extra damage over the chance for a bit extra damage. Again, you may find it useful but I don't.
I didn't ask to be President of the Balloon Enterprises! The Balloon Enterprises demanded it!
thats not to say buying zen ships is bad in any way its just your paying for the skin tbh
This is funny because they are 10% worse. At least as far as surviving goes, and 11% worse at having consoles. (For the 3 pack 5k zen ships the OP asked about)
Whether or not in your opinion that is worth it is a matter of opinion and finances, but you can't argue that a fleet quality ship isn't better than a comparable non-fleet non-premium ship.
thought we where talking zen ships not fleet ?
3-pack zen ships are fleet quality ships.
If you have another character you want to use with the same ship then the c-store bundle ships (Even if you just get 1) is where you are going to save money.
The Oddy 3-pack was a disappointment; I ended up stripping the tac oddy down for an engineering tank build, dropping all of the unique consoles. You would be better off buying just the one if you want to build a support or tanking build.
The Andorian 3-pac was 'fun', but I dropped it in favour of the HEC. Grew tired of it quickly - and like all new ships people have moved on from it as well.
To date, the most hours played have been with the HEC which until recently was the best Federation combat platform IMO.
I chose NOT to buy the Scimidar after the hassles with the Andorian weapons (post launch changes). While many are having fun with her, most of the pros (people with 10K+ dps) have stuck with the fleet mogai.
In the long run, OP, you should make your own choices without worrying about what other people think. Some simple questions should help you decide whether or not to make the purchase.
- Do you like/want the ship enough you will use it regularly?
- Are you trying to "Keep up with the Joneses" or does your toon(s) have a need for whatever that something special is which this three pack provides?
- Does the ship look like a fun ship to fly based upon what you've seen heard?
- Are you buying the ship because you really truly want it or are you buying it because other people have told you should?
I have absolutely no idea what I wrote in the OP to give you the impression that I was looking to buy a ship because of peer pressure. I appreciate your attempt at counseling, but my question was "What makes a particular bit of DLC worth paying the equivalent of a whole game". This is a situation where 'worrying what other people think' is totally justified. It's like reading reviews about an expensive product of some type, to find out whether or not it's a rip-off.