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macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
This is not a new idea but devs or BrankFlakes seems unwilling or unable to respond. So I am bringing it back up.

With the introduction of the new rep, we need some kind of discount on reps. Let's face it there is no end game except for rep grinds and PvP ... and PvP is fairly broken. Having to do the same grinds in terms of

1) Marks
2) Expertise
3) Dilithium
4) EC

is too much work. I am running this on a couple of alts + main and even with doff-ing it is way too much of a grind. It is also sucking out all my resources and I can't do things like re-train BO or buy gear for new builds.


Here is my suggested path

1) Keep the time lockout - daily progression, something to do and look forward to.

2) Apply a sliding scale on discounts per tier and tie it to the rep.

Example: Omega

Tier 1) 1% reduction to all inputs only for other omega reps for alts!
Tier 2) 2% ''
Tier 3) 4% ''
Tier 4) 8% ''
Tier 5) 16% ''


Make it cumulative so you end up with 31% reduction. I would just make it 1 discount per account. This would also encourage people to get to TIer V on ALL reps.

3) Eliminate or drastically decrease expertise cost.
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I am opening this up to discussion.
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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Account wide rep please
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  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Account Wide rep is a must! We should only have to do that once!
  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2013
    I have mixed feelings about account-wide reps. I agree that it would be great not to do it over and over again but then what do I have to look forward to. Also, for them it's a great way to keep you playing and maybe even spend ... on dilithium.

    I think the best we can expect is a discount like they "tried" to do with Dilithium mine. Don't get me started on that one ...
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  • ashkrik23ashkrik23 Member Posts: 10,809 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'll gladly grind for gear if we could at least get faction-wide rep.
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  • latiasracerlatiasracer Member Posts: 680 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    This is a good idea.


    Also i'm pretty sure one of the Devs mentioned that Account rep was a no-no in an interview, so i imagine asking for that is about as futile as asking for the t5 connie! :<
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  • johnny111971johnny111971 Member Posts: 1,300 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Account wide rep is not going to happen. Cryptic has already stated that the reputation is meant to be a character specific thing, and I agree with them. You won't get a backtrack that big. Shoot for something that is a win for everyone.

    From a business perspective, they need to show time of cheeks in seats playing the grind missions. So saying account wide rep gives them nothing.

    From the player perspective, the grind is terrible... especially on multiple toons. So we want to only do it once.

    I do like the OP's suggestion... very similar to one i made in a different thread. Mine would be a 10% discount for each character that completes the Rep (i.e. Omega)... eventually you unlock the rep entirely (but would still have to pay for the gear/ability upgrade projects).

    In this way (either mine, or the OP's) Cryptic gets what it needs... cheeks in seats (potentially more as there is an incentive to level multiple toons in the rep system), and we get what we want (an easier/less grindy path for alts to level).

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  • thay8472thay8472 Member Posts: 6,165 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    I have mixed feelings about account-wide reps. I agree that it would be great not to do it over and over again but then what do I have to look forward to. Also, for them it's a great way to keep you playing and maybe even spend ... on dilithium.

    I think the best we can expect is a discount like they "tried" to do with Dilithium mine. Don't get me started on that one ...

    Well... They could end up making more... if account unlock was in and I get a noobie to level 50. I might end up buying dilithium because im impatient and want it noweh :O
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  • macroniusmacronius Member Posts: 2,526
    edited July 2013
    thay8472 wrote: »
    Well... They could end up making more... if account unlock was in and I get a noobie to level 50. I might end up buying dilithium because im impatient and want it noweh :O

    In an ideal world we would have

    1) account wide rep
    2) end game content churned out on a regular fashion.

    Unfortunately, we don't like in such a world. We aren't even close. TOR, which i actually despise now, does this one thing correct. But it also has a separate gear grind and FPs and raids for end game. Here there would be literally nothing to do apart from PvP.

    I would actually prefer to see dilithium requirements reduced along with everything else. I am tired of grinding dilithium and I don't want to pay for it. I have done that a couple of times for fleet projects and fleet gear and deeply regret it.
    "With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censored, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."

    - Judge Aaron Satie
  • binebanebinebane Member Posts: 557 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    what about tradeble risan pets to be converted in marks? or tradeble marks. so you could buy your reputation.
  • otakuboytotakuboyt Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Faction wide would be nice.

    At minimum I would like to see some sort of account wide discount that can be bought at T5


    Main character hits T5.

    Similar purchasing option to buying parts front the store you can buy account bound reputation blocks.

    Say a block of 5000 RP for about 30 marks, 10000xp, ....basically 60-66% of the cost in items.
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  • otakuboytotakuboyt Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    binebane wrote: »
    what about tradeble risan pets to be converted in marks? or tradeble marks. so you could buy your reputation.

    I'd like the Risan eggs to faster and chaper to get. Having them pay out more WOULD be nice.
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  • starkaosstarkaos Member Posts: 11,556 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I have an idea for a rep that would be useless if account wide rep is introduced. It could always be not included with the account reps. Basically have the Section 31 rep and a rep that is counter to it. This other rep would be about a group that is the opposite of Section 31 so you can't get Tier 5 in both. Of course, the KDF would have similar organizations. So one character would have the Section 31 rep while another character would have the other organization rep.
  • mongomongo Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Rep system should be account wide. I will grind for the marks for stuff I want on alts, But Im not going to grind the Rep system on all 12 characters of mine.
  • lordcorrinolordcorrino Member Posts: 163 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    How about this? You can buy a token to unlock rep. for alts. 250 zen per rep. So a total of 750 zen right now with 3 reps. available. That way Cryptic either gets extra money or people online grinding dil for zen, and we don't have to do the same content over 9000 times.
  • mongomongo Member Posts: 34 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So you say 750 zen for 3 Rep unlocks per character? so after I unlock the rep system on my main I would say buy the unlocks for the alts? That would be 8250 zen for my 11 alts. thats right at $90 real money. Fat chance. And thats just for the 3 Rep we have now.


    Account wide unlock.

    Or a major discount after one character has it unlocked is the only way my Alts will ever get the rep stuff.
    And by Major I mean at least 50%
  • redheadguyredheadguy Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    macronius wrote: »
    In an ideal world we would have

    1) account wide rep
    2) end game content churned out on a regular fashion.

    Unfortunately, we don't like in such a world. We aren't even close. TOR, which i actually despise now, does this one thing correct. But it also has a separate gear grind and FPs and raids for end game. Here there would be literally nothing to do apart from PvP.

    I would actually prefer to see dilithium requirements reduced along with everything else. I am tired of grinding dilithium and I don't want to pay for it. I have done that a couple of times for fleet projects and fleet gear and deeply regret it.

    That's why it's such a grind for dilithium in the first place. The whole system is designed to wear you down, till you get to the point that you pay real money for dilithium to be used in fleet projects and gear upgrades. This is the new trend in video games as Dead Space 3 has the same idea in place for weapon upgrades.
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