Tac in Odyssey

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• skywolf73 Member Posts: 57 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Look into aux to bat build if you want to dps full out.
  
  Or look into dragon build that is supposed to be good dps and good tank.
  
  And be prepared to get it good grinding alot of rep and a ton of doffing or ECs sunk into your ship.

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• baudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  [dmg]x2 modifiers are not really worth it...crtH ACC or crtD are much more valuable
  
  your consoles are less than optimal, try to improve in that section first. that means A) reputation grind (you have zero point anyway already, but assimilated console is a "must have") and some exchange shopping for lockbox consoles. the plasmonic leech console should be relatively cheap already...so that is a worthy investment.
  
  also lose the EPS console, the biofunction and the aquarius...get a third polaron console and put the zero point module into the engi section. embassy science conosoles, look into those, totally better than regular science consoles.
  
  
  i personally find torp launchers front and aft questionable on a ship that primarely should shoot broadsides...many cruiser captains ignore torps entirely for a reason. there are only 2 alternatives that inherent torps...wide angle torpedo purchase, or a cannon build
  
  lose the sci team for a hazard emitter...4 team powers is just too much
  
  also doffs are pretty important, you can reduce tac team CD by 14 seconds with a rare and very rare tac team boff while buffing Attack patterns...which you should use too.
  
  double the fire at will...this is your bread and butter for damage.
  
  Engi team and EP aux should be changed to EP weapons and EP shields

  Go pro or go home

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• hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  You got the 3-pack? Ok good. Here's a build that will give you decent DPS in an Odyssey:
  
  Disclaimer: This build also requires at least a Tier 2 in Romulan Reputation, Tier 3 in Omega Reputation, the Assault Cruiser Refit from the C-store, and a friend who can train Emergency Power to X 3.
  
  Odyssey Tactical Cruiser:
  
  Weapons
  
  Fore: 3x BA (energy type of your choice, I would recommend Disruptor), 1x Wide Angle Quantum Torpedo (get it from the Regent)
  
  Aft: 3x BA, 1x Kinetic Cutting Beam
  
  Shield, Deflector, Engine: Borg mk XI/XII or MACO mk XI/XII (Note: if you choose to use mk XII, you will need Tier 5 Omega rep)
  
  Consoles
  
  Tactical: 3x Energy Type you're using booster
  Engineering: 2x Neutronium, 1x Monotanium, 1x RCS Accelerator/Monotanium
  Science: Zero Point Energy Conduit (Tier 2 Romulan Rep), Assimilated Module (Tier 2 Omega rep), Chevron Separation Console (Odyssey Operations Cruiser)
  
  BOff Layout:
  LtCmdr Universal: TT1/TS1 (see DOffs for reason), BFAW2, APB2/APO1
  Lt Tactical: TT1, APB1
  Cmdr Engineering: ET1, EPtW2, EPtS3/RSP2 (see reasoning below), Aux2SIF3
  Lt Science: HE1, TSS2
  Ens Universal: HE1
  
  DOffs:
  Conn Officer x2 (Tac team cd red, MUST BE PURPLES)
  Damage Control Engineer x2 (blue minimum, purple recommended)
  Warp Core Engineer (blue minimum, purple recommended)
  
  If you are unable to get the Conn Officers, I would recommend Shield Distribution Officers in their place
  
  WALL OF TEXT ALERT
  
  Idea Behind Build:
  
  Tanky DPS. That build should give you more than enough survivability whilst still giving you relatively large amounts of damage output. You need to understand that you're in a cruiser. So you will never have the damage output of an escort due to inability to use DHCs and lack of top level Tactical BOff slots. So let's start with the equipment.
  
  Why use Borg or MACO? Because I have found they give you the best survivability outside of Elite Fleet Equipment. The full Borg set has wonderful procs that basically make you almost indestructible to NPCs, and it gives you a rather strong tractor beam/drain (albeit the CD is a tad... excessive). Also the Borg set does give you good boosts with it's deflector, not as tanky/powerful as the MACO deflector, but not too shabby. And the +5 to your shields, engines, and aux are quite useful. Also the shield has a very high regen rate, and it's lower capacity (the ONLY weakness really of the Borg shield) is somewhat offset by the high shield mod on the Odyssey. As for the MACO set? Why use that? Because the MACO shield is probably one of the best shields in the game (not THE best, but up there), and the MACO deflector is one of the tankiest in the game (the only ones that beat it out are Elite Fleet Deflectors in tank). Unfortunately the MACO engine is lackluster, but effective. Gives you decent turn and move speed. Not perfect, but not bad.
  
  As for weapon layout, I find beams to be decent on the Odyssey, because it's got a low turn rate, and even with the Chevron sep, it's still a little sluggish, so you just use beams and the wide-angle, and you can keep up a constant broadside, no need to turn to shoot off a torp, since it has a wide enough firing arc, you can broadside WHILE firing torps. As for the power drain inherent in using beams? That's what EPtW is for. And the Warp Core Engineer. The Kinetic Cutting Beam is there because it's a good weapon as damage goes (even against shields), and it also has a 360 degree firing arc, so it will ALWAYS be hitting your target.
  
  Console wise, the Tactical consoles are self-explanatory. As for the Engineering consoles, I find that after LoR came out, RCS was much more effective on cruisers than before, so I would recommend one of those. As for the monotanium (or double mono if you choose to go that path instead of RCS), most NPC damage comes from torps, so you simply boost your kinetic resist. And the double neutronium is just for overall resists. As science consoles go? Well, there are no damage boosting science consoles outside of the Embassy ones, so I just put the Zero point there (added power and crit chance, plus some power insulators, quite useful), and the Assimilated Module (just useful period, and when combined with the KCB gives you possibility of omega weapon amplifier). Then you have the Chevron sep. That console is sort of a must have for a DPS C-store Odyssey. It gives you a HUGE boost in mobility, more weapons power, and a pet (which is actually useful now after the AI updates). You will sacrifice some survivability, but you can't have it all.
  
  As for BOff layout, that's where a lot of damage comes from as well. The Tactical Team is just a must have period, both for tanking and utility (boarding parties are annoying as hell). The Beam Fire at Will is for dealing more damage overall, but you need to be careful when you use it, because sometimes you might draw aggro from the wrong things. If you don't want to use BFAW, I would either a Beam Overload (not as effective without a DBB though) or a TS2 there. The APB/APO is users choice. APB makes it so the whole team does more damage to a target, or just you, but the APO gives you a small damage boost and utility. So it's really up to you. The Lt Tactical is the same idea. If you can't afford the Conn officers for TT, use another TT1 there so you can cycle the two, and the APB1 is just a damage multiplier.
  
  Engineering wise, the ET1 is for when you aren't under attack (heal a team-mate), or you aren't getting your shields back anytime soon (like against tholians, whose tetryon procs seem to happen ever hit...). The EPtW2 is for added damage (plus ~10-15% damage based on your EPS skill) and to mitigate some power drain. The LtCmdr ability is where it gets... interesting. I personally prefer EPtS3, because it hardens your shields significantly, gives a nice shield heal to each facing, AND boosts your shield power to give you even more regen and damage resistance. But others prefer RSP2 for the "oh ****" button. That one is users choice (or if you don't have an engi friend, you're stuck with RSP). And the Aux2SIF3 is just a good heal to have for yourself or a team-mate.
  
  As Science goes, it's basic utility. HE1 gives you a nice HoT, and having two means you can do it again. TSS2 is just a good shield heal/harden/HoT. And they can be used on your team-mates too.
  
  The DOffs are self-explanatory.
  
  Any questions, feel free to ask.

  It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.

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• risingstar2009 Member Posts: 329 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Give this build and skill spec a try.
  
  http://skillplanner.stoacademy.com/?build=tacoddyhelp_3190
  
  While I know that you don't have the Assimilated Module or the Zero-Point Energy Conduit, slot a Neutronium Alloy and Emitter Console (respectively) until you have those. Also, you may want to consider opening enough boxes until you get 200 Lobi for the Tachyokinetic Console. It will help with turn rate and Critcal chance.
  
  And, I do have to agree with baudl about ditching the Aquarius. While it may be helpful at times, Chevrnon Sep is much more useful. And it will allow you to keep your current torpedo choice up front. At least until you can get the Wide-Angle Quantum Launcher from the Regent (Assault Cruiser Retrofit).
  
  In the back, I would recommend the Breen Cluster because it's very good at spike DPS so long as it doesn't get shot down. Or, you could stick with the Quantum Launcher.

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• kleenhippie Member Posts: 14 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  Where do I pick up the Chevron Separation Console for my Odyssey?

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• rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User

  June 2013 edited June 2013

  kleenhippie wrote: »

  Where do I pick up the Chevron Separation Console for my Odyssey?

  
  from the Engineering version

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• trickykipper Member Posts: 8 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  Hello again everyone, thanks for all your input. I took all advice given to me, and have since re-skilled, improved my gear and been doing some really good DPS in my big clunky cruiser. I went through a couple different builds and experimented with consoles and boff powers until I found something that suited me. Here's my current gear...
  
  Fore Weapons:
  3x Phaser Beam Array Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]
  1x Wide-Angled Quantum Torpedo Launcher
  
  Aft Weapons:
  3x Phaser Beam Array Mk XII [Acc]x2 [Dmg]
  1x Kinetic Cutting Beam
  
  Deflector: Aegis Deflector
  Impulse: Aegis Engine
  Warp: Field Stabilizing Warp Core Mk X [Coil] [S->W]
  Shields: Aegis Shields
  
  Engineering Consoles:
  Assimilated Module
  Chevron Separation
  Aquarius Escort
  Work Bees
  
  Science Consoles:
  3x Field Generator Mk XI (Blue)
  
  Tactical Consoles:
  3x Phaser Relay Mk XII (Blue)
  
  Bridge Officers:
  Commander Engineering (EPTW1, EPTS2, RSP2, DEM3)
  Lt. Commander Tactical (Tac Team 1, Torpedo: Spread 2, Attack Pattern Beta 2)
  Lieutenant Tactical (Tac Team 1, Beam Fire At Will 2)
  Lieutenant Science (Hazard Emitters 1, Transfer Shield Strength 2)
  Lieutenant Science (Hazard Emitters 1)
  
  So far it's been great. I've been reasonably competitive in terms of DPS, I very rarely die and I usually end up tanking end bosses in Elite STFs (Donatra, Tac Cube in Conduit, Assimilated Carrier) with very little trouble.
  
  Obviously the Aegis set is just a placeholder until I get the Mk XII rep gear (should I go full MACO, full Borg or mix the two?) and I've decided to go with Phaser over Disruptor because I heard the saucer and Aquarius destroyer will benefit from my Phaser consoles (is this true?). The reason I've kept all three Odyssey consoles is because having the saucer deploying Work Bees and using Gravity Well III has been fantastic for Elite STFs.
  
  Thank you for all your help!

  Please buff the Odyssey Tactical Cruiser!

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• baudl Member Posts: 4,060 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  idk, i honestly doubt the saucer or aquarius do actually benefit of your weapon consoles. Also, the aquarius and saucer share a cooldown if i'm still correct...you can never have both. (maybe it got changed, but at release and 1 year after, that was certainly the case)
  
  why don't you get a second BFAW2...put TS into the ensign get 1 purple and a blue conn doff and use only 1 TT.
  having 2x BFAW means double uptime on your main dmg ability.
  
  i would also get the zero point module instead of the aquarius. and eventually also lose the work bees (maybe one of the new dilithium mine consoles)
  
  also instead of using a second hazard emitter go for a aux2SIF...maybe instead of of DEM3, or instead of EPtS2 get EPtS1 and use the ltd engi slot for aux2SIF1
  
  something like this
  take what ever weapon you like, disruptors or whatever

  Go pro or go home

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• rmy1081 Member Posts: 2,840 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  No pet benefits from any consoles. This gets tested all the time. The saucer in my opinion isn't for the pet, but for the turn rate increase, although its tractor and gravity well can be nice. The Aquarius and Saucer don't share a cool down, but they are mutually exclusive, meaning they can't both be out at the same time. If one dies you can recall it and immediately deploy the other. For me though I usually just go for either the saucer or both saucer and workerbees. The Aquarius usually just dies too fast.
  
  With that said, I've recently moved my fleet defiant tacscort captain to the tac odyssey and am loving it. I just got bored playing an escort and the odyssey is a great change. She's still a great ship and with the LoR turn rate changes, she's even better than before.

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  July 2013 edited July 2013

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• red01999 Member Posts: 0 Arc User

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  One thing to note with both the Odyssey and Galaxy saucer separation is that the entire point is to get RID of the saucer, not get a little helper.
  
  With the saucer dropped, the Odyssey gets a bit more frail, but a whole lot harder hitting. Weapon power is high, turn rate is high, and it's still got plenty of armor and shields.
  
  I will say, however, that in my experience thus far, the three piece bonus does help the Odyssey's saucer actually pull its weight, but it's still pretty stupid, and the Aquarius is frail, stupid, and requires healing micromanagement, so in truth I doubt you have a net gain of DPS if you want to keep it alive. I have heard once or twice that if you've got threat spec'd high it can help to keep the enemy focusing on you, but that also shows the Aquarius probably isn't doing all that much damage. I certainly haven't seen it doing impressive destruction.
  
  TBH in terms of pets in general, my (non-scientific) observations are that the Odyssey's Aquarius and Saucer are the stupidest (probably matched by the Galaxy-R), the MVAE's secondary units CAN be a good bit smarter, more survivable, and more effective than the Odyssey's, and fighters seem to be the smartest space pets available overall.

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• dknight0001 Member Posts: 1,542

  July 2013 edited July 2013

  edalgo wrote: »

  If you use the Aquarius then pin it to your board and keep track of it. Throw it heals as necessary and if you can afford to. Sometimes it's dumb and flies to close to an exploding ship and dies.
  
  Same thing goes for the saucer when deployed

  
  This will be addressed in the Carrier improvements. AI pets will avoid warp core explosions. While you won't get Carrier commands for your Vectors, Saucers or Aquarius they will be smarter and avoid Warp Core Breaches.

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