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New Ship Speculation (Veteran Ships??)

josephenglishjosephenglish Member Posts: 13 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Romulan Discussion
Okay, so I saw the interview on Massively.com between Shull and Rivera, and there were two ships on there. One looks like a scout ship from (i think) TNG, and the other is speculated to be a science vessel.

However, has anyone noticed there are no Veteran Romulan ships yet?

Now, it was speculated within the comments that the Scout Ship was the 'Captain's Yacht' reward. This does make sense, as the scale of the ship to the windows is fairly small, but too large to be a runabout.

Now onto the second ship, the 'science vessel'. Did anyone see the raised area behind the beak of the ship? Both Heavy Destroyers (the Chimera and Peghqu') have the beam Lotuses. Well, what if that raised section popped out and launched a "plasma lotus"? That would be awesome. Plus, the design looks really well bolstered and strong, like a Heavy Destroyer should.

Any thoughts of your own or anything that I have misenterpreted/missed off would help!

:P
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  • josephenglishjosephenglish Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    PS: if this has been said before, I apologise. Please tell me if so/if not.
  • msk5msk5 Member Posts: 185 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Looking at the picture I think the wings "spread" outward from the main hull, moving out and forward to reveal the lotus, which would be a really cool visual effect.

    The ship is gorgeous looking, easily the best vet ship.
  • exonin10647exonin10647 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    There are 3 new ships in that article.

    The first is the Romulan Scout Ship (Lanora class according to memory Beta).
    Which based upon it's size and the fact that it's crew compliment was 1-2 (according to memory alpha), is the Romulan "Captain's Yacht".

    To those who claim its too large, isn't the Mogai too large to be an escort? Or the Ha'nom too large to be a Science ship.

    Big is the Romulan way.


    The second is the Romulan Science Ship (I'm betting will be called the Apnex class after the only named version of the ship from the Heroclix Star Trek: Tactics range).

    Which requires no speculation on its purpose.

    Although it looks like a variant of the Scout Ship it was just because of a reused model modification for the Next Generation show. It's size is estimated at around half the length of the Enterprise D so about 300 metres long (memory alpha), therefore it is a full sized Warbird.

    The third is the one I believe will be the Romulan Veteran Warbird

    Anything about it other than the fact it will probably use Singularity cores is up for speculation.
  • mreeves7amreeves7a Member Posts: 499 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Based on the image file names, the Scout ship and Science Vessel are just different costumes for the 400-day vet shuttle (scout ship model image has romulanvetshuttlejarok in the file, the science ship one has romulanvetshuttletalon).
  • exonin10647exonin10647 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    mreeves7a wrote: »
    Based on the image file names, the Scout ship and Science Vessel are just different costumes for the 400-day vet shuttle (scout ship model image has romulanvetshuttlejarok in the file, the science ship one has romulanvetshuttletalon).

    Good catch.

    Bit annoyed the "Science Ship" isn't a Science ship though.
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Now onto the second ship, the 'science vessel'. Did anyone see the raised area behind the beak of the ship? Both Heavy Destroyers (the Chimera and Peghqu') have the beam Lotuses. Well, what if that raised section popped out and launched a "plasma lotus"? That would be awesome.

    :P

    The sad thing is if it is , it will probably end up doing more damage than the Scimitar Thalaron weapon the so called dooms day weapon.:rolleyes:
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  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Good catch.

    Bit annoyed the "Science Ship" isn't a Science ship though.

    In a pre-LOR interview Al thought they wouldn't even make it, since its just a poor re-work of the shuttle they did for that episode of TNG. Making them costume options (I hope they are costume options and aren't "ally" specific) might be a way to get it in without making it a "real" ship. Probably wasn't a ton more work for artists either.
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I'm really liking the look of the Vet ship, like I said in another thread I hope it has a cool transformation like the Chimera and isn't just some pop up pod like the peghqu.
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  • futurepastnowfuturepastnow Member Posts: 3,660 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ex Astris says the Scout Ship and the Science Ship are both in the range of 90-95 meters long. That's roughly three times the size of a Sovereign's captain's yacht. I, too, thought it was odd to make them shuttles. Then I thought about it a little differently.

    So it's likely, then, that they will appear significantly downsized compared to other shuttles. However, all of the shuttles in STO are roughly three times the size they should be when compared to starships.

    In general: shuttles are to-scale with each other but not to ships, and ships are to-scale with each other, but not with shuttles.

    So this may actually be a case where a "shuttle" is ship-scale. They'll probably look off in shuttle team matches like Atmosphere Assault, but should look fine in sector space surrounded by big ships.
  • stofskstofsk Member Posts: 1,744 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Ex-Astris is wrong about the scout ship, it was explicitly mentioned as being a low-crew complement spaceship ('The Enemy' mentions how the crashed scout ship Pi had a crew of two people, and 'The Defector' was piloted by one guy). Why would anyone have a ship that's 89m long have a crew complement of between 1-2?

    The science vessel was a redress of the scout ship model, but it has a much higher crew complement, low-balled in the hundreds ('The Next Phase' mentions how there were some 70 crew people trapped in one section of the ship).

    And yeah maybe the science vessel being a redress of a much smaller ship model is lazy, but that's canon unfortunately. The Klingon Bird-of-prey had far more egregious scaling issues throughout all of Star Trek's history. Also the Romulans need more small ships in their fleet. I'm sick of all the Stupid Hueg Ships the Romulans get, with their wonky sizes and scale compared next to other faction's starships. I saw my Ha'feh sit right behind a Sovereign-class ship during a mirror event and my supposed escort-sized warbird with its 500 crew dominated the latter ship. The Ha'feh has far more internal volume than a Sovereign class cruiser, despite being an escort. It's ridiculous. God I can't wait to hit VA with my Rom so I can fly the T'varo exclusively.
  • warmaker001bwarmaker001b Member Posts: 9,205 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It would be weird to have a Vet Ship for the Romulans right now, since that guarantees yet another TAC oriented ship. TAC oriented ships are overflowing in the Romulan lineup now, and most especially so with the release of the Scimitar pack. Before yet another Romulan TAC ship, the Romulan lineup needs:

    A bonafide, 2-hangar carrier

    More Sci ship selections. The KDF suffers this same exact lack of options also.
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  • exonin10647exonin10647 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It would be weird to have a Vet Ship for the Romulans right now, since that guarantees yet another TAC oriented ship. TAC oriented ships are overflowing in the Romulan lineup now, and most especially so with the release of the Scimitar pack. Before yet another Romulan TAC ship, the Romulan lineup needs:

    A bonafide, 2-hangar carrier

    More Sci ship selections. The KDF suffers this same exact lack of options also.

    At least with the Klingons it makes sense, they are a Warrior race afterall.

    Romulans however are supposed to be more 'experimental' in terms of technology.
  • josephenglishjosephenglish Member Posts: 13 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It would be weird to have a Vet Ship for the Romulans right now, since that guarantees yet another TAC oriented ship. TAC oriented ships are overflowing in the Romulan lineup now, and most especially so with the release of the Scimitar pack. Before yet another Romulan TAC ship, the Romulan lineup needs:

    A bonafide, 2-hangar carrier

    More Sci ship selections. The KDF suffers this same exact lack of options also.

    That does make sense :)
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It would be weird to have a Vet Ship for the Romulans right now, since that guarantees yet another TAC oriented ship. TAC oriented ships are overflowing in the Romulan lineup now, and most especially so with the release of the Scimitar pack. Before yet another Romulan TAC ship, the Romulan lineup needs:

    A bonafide, 2-hangar carrier

    More Sci ship selections. The KDF suffers this same exact lack of options also.

    They promised the vet stuff after launch, not to mention its a lot easier to make then a new ship which needs testing and balance. The vet ship can pretty much be a carbon copy of the Peghqu' cept for the Singularity core and Romulan battle cloak.

    Once they're done with the vet ship hopefully they will move onto the timeships, one of which will be a Science ship.
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  • goku5030goku5030 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    :D I cant wait to see the ship
  • goku5030goku5030 Member Posts: 229 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The sad thing is if it is , it will probably end up doing more damage than the Scimitar Thalaron weapon the so called dooms day weapon.:rolleyes:

    haha I will still like my 50 bucks ships.. if you say that don't buy it then :P... I brought it because its good ship I can dps just fine... if I wanted to can push the dps on that ship ... :P all depends on fittings...like I said if that's how you think and want ships to topple each other like stacks of bricks that's your way of thinking I just think why cant you just have fun and enjoy it :P..
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    goku5030 wrote: »
    haha I will still like my 50 bucks ships.. if you say that don't buy it then :P... I brought it because its good ship I can dps just fine... if I wanted to can push the dps on that ship ... :P all depends on fittings...like I said if that's how you think and want ships to topple each other like stacks of bricks that's your way of thinking I just think why cant you just have fun and enjoy it :P..

    I never said the Scimitar can't dps fine...Thalron weapon not so much.:P I'm just saying it seem kinda silly the Scimatar has a tickle wave while being a known doomsday weapon. While on the other hand the probable vet ship will probably be doing ten times the damage with it's special weapon.
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  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I never said the Scimitar can't dps fine...Thalron weapon not so much.:P I'm just saying it seem kinda silly the Scimatar has a tickle wave while being a known doomsday weapon. While on the other hand the probable vet ship will probably be doing ten times the damage with it's special weapon.

    Considering people clock what 40k or more damage, no the Lotus doesn't do 400k damage.
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  • the1tiggletthe1tigglet Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What I'm annoyed by is that as a veteran we still only have 1 type of ship choice with one setup. I'm a sci captain have been since day 1 and I'm a real veteran been a lifer since day one and they STILL only have an escort for the veteran ship choice. That's part of the reason why they have the image of only caring about escort ships or tactical players because of things like this.

    How about taking some of that money going back and creating new veteran science ships and veteran cruisers for the other two captain types in the game who wish to show their colors yet be in a well built effective vet ship?

    The other thing that bothers me is there's no distinction between the skin colors of the hull. Why not give us a true neutronium hull like the Think Tank ship in the voyager episode of the same name and not this partially blueish white stuff they have available now in the ship tailor.
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    lianthelia wrote: »
    Considering people clock what 40k or more damage, no the Lotus doesn't do 400k damage.

    You're taking what I said way to literally. Also one needs to factor in all the time the Thalaron spends charging up and lack of buffs. Overall it's just a matter of opinion but it just feels wrong to me I'm sure some people could care less but hey what ever floats your boat.
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  • dkstarfiredkstarfire Member Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Upon seeing this ship

    http://sto.perfectworld.com/news/?p=934191


    I immediately remembered an older romulan design; older, that is, in gaming terms:

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060729013652/memoryalpha/en/images/2/2d/Romulan_Griffin_Armada.jpg

    The Griffin, as it was called in Star Trek: Armada by Activision. Good game, a bit uncreative but with a thrilling story.
    Anyway, it seems this ship has already been posted somewhere on this forum.
    Maybe Cryptic took a few of it's design elements to actually create a vet ship for Romulans.


    It might be far fetched, and Romulan ships tend to share many core design elements, similar to starfleet's and KDF's lineup. Still, I wonder....
  • lianthelialianthelia Member Posts: 7,881 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What I'm annoyed by is that as a veteran we still only have 1 type of ship choice with one setup. I'm a sci captain have been since day 1 and I'm a real veteran been a lifer since day one and they STILL only have an escort for the veteran ship choice. That's part of the reason why they have the image of only caring about escort ships or tactical players because of things like this.

    How about taking some of that money going back and creating new veteran science ships and veteran cruisers for the other two captain types in the game who wish to show their colors yet be in a well built effective vet ship?

    The other thing that bothers me is there's no distinction between the skin colors of the hull. Why not give us a true neutronium hull like the Think Tank ship in the voyager episode of the same name and not this partially blueish white stuff they have available now in the ship tailor.

    The game is centered around damage...escorts can do the most damage. Problem is if they made a vet ship for the main three types I bet the Cruiser would be underused and the Science ship almost a ghost.

    The vet ship is probably one of the most well rounded ships in the game and you can do a lot of things with it. As long as this game is centered around doing damage to create a ship that isn't a fan favorite or centered around damage would be a waste.
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  • pinargepinarge Member Posts: 18 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Romulan Vet ship is on tribble
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