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  • captainobvious09captainobvious09 Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    jtoney3448 wrote: »
    Reason it feels squishy is cause of that shuttle bug, go read the gameplay bug forum. I dismissed my shuttle and the ship started preforming like my other ships. Once the other bugs gets ironed out will be a truely fine ship.


    Uhmmm no, my tooltips are fine, and most of the time the ship plays fine, but for some reason random warp core breach will do insane damage or just flat out destroy my ship.

    With 32% kinetic resist a cube exploding 5km away is going through my shields(they show as up even after the warp core breach) and taking 40% of my 52k hull.


    DO NOT BUY THIS SHIP!!!
  • crimpson7crimpson7 Member Posts: 76 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    The Scimitar needs a lot of fixing! No shield regeneration, it looses its crew pretty easily, no damage resistance (even with neutronium), Thalaron is supposed to be a fatal thing so please give it a bit of a boost. I dont want my Scimitar to be made out of solid neutronium, but i dont want it to be made out of plastic either!! So until its fixed, I will return to my Fleet Valdore!
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  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s44nSzxL3jA&feature=youtu.be

    Scimitar can tank quite good for a ship with that huge amount of dps ....
  • variise1984variise1984 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Found another bug.

    I fought the last Tarantula on the Vault mission and the Thalaron Pulse fired and did nothing. Not no damage, it did nothing. let me explain how it played out.

    I engage the Tarantula with normal weapons. It uses an ability on me to teleport me in front of him where he remains the whole time at around 3-5km and starts to power up it's main weapon to trap and crush me. First time I ever seen that so I didn't get out of the way.

    Before the Tarantula had time to enable it's web I enabled the Thalaron Pulse. I get webed and crushed but survive with about 32% health. The web wears off a few moments before the Thalaron weapon fires. Nothing happens. I get a warp core breech and blow up.

    Logs (separated for easier reading):

    Tholian Tarantula's Tholian Web Cannon dealt 4240 (22594) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 24973 (51417) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Your Disruptor Turret dealt 602 (686) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 76 (762) Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret dealt 343 (391) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 43 (435) Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Recluse's Tholian Thermionic Torpedo dealt 719 (3127) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Recluse deals 165 (4273) Kinetic Damage to you with Tholian Thermionic Torpedo.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    [CombatAlert] Captain, our hull is at 50%!

    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Tetryon Array dealt 677 (585) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 31 (1000) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Tetryon Array dealt 615 (531) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 28 (908) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Tetryon Array dealt 659 (569) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 30 (974) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 0 Physical Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 0 Physical Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Dual Tetryon Banks dealt 764 (660) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 35 (1129) Tetryon Damage to you with Dual Tetryon Banks.
    [CombatAlert] Captain, our forward shield is down!

    Tholian Tarantula's Tetryon Array dealt 691 (597) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 31 (1020) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 0 Physical Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Dual Tetryon Banks dealt 893 (771) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 41 (1318) Tetryon Damage to you with Dual Tetryon Banks.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula's Tetryon Array dealt 93 (80) shield damage to you.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 478 (906) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 803 (1304) Tetryon Damage to you with Dual Tetryon Banks.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 857 (1392) Tetryon Damage to you with Dual Tetryon Banks.
    [CombatAlert] Captain, our hull is at 25%!

    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 574 (621) Physical Damage to you with Tholian Web Cannon.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1602 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 587 (953) Tetryon Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1541 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    [CombatAlert] Captain, our enemy's facing shields are down!

    Your Disruptor Turret dealt 323 (369) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons dealt 1125 (1288) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 53 (422) Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 184 (1472) Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1741 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Photon Torpedo deals 5160 Kinetic Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1608 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 376 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 0 Physical Damage to you with Tetryon Array.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 7601 (9868) Kinetic Damage to you with Tholian Thermionic Torpedo - Spread I.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 443 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1461 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 3199 Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Tarantula.
    Tholian Tarantula deals 6594 (8560) Kinetic Damage to you with Tholian Thermionic Torpedo - Spread I.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 385 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.

    Your Singularity Core Breach dealt 948 (4407) shield damage to Mogai Heavy Warbird.
    Your Singularity Core Breach deals 490 (4897) Kinetic Damage to Mogai Heavy Warbird.
    Your Dual Heavy Disruptor Cannons deals 1237 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 740 Disruptor Damage(Critical) to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 287 Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret dealt 214 (244) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Disruptor Turret deals 27 (272) Disruptor Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Photon Torpedo dealt 986 (4484) shield damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Photon Torpedo deals 498 (4982) Kinetic Damage to Tholian Tarantula.
    Your Singularity Core Breach dealt 2364 (10994) shield damage to D'deridex Battlecruiser.
    Your Singularity Core Breach deals 1222 (12215) Kinetic Damage to D'deridex Battlecruiser.
    Your Singularity Core Breach dealt 2056 (9562) shield damage to Mogai Heavy Warbird.
    Your Singularity Core Breach deals 1062 (10624) Kinetic Damage to Mogai Heavy Warbird.
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  • pissycutapissycuta Member Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rcdriver91 wrote: »
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s44nSzxL3jA&feature=youtu.be

    Scimitar can tank quite good for a ship with that huge amount of dps ....

    What's that video supposed to show? How you troll yourself? Max power to shields, tank build, 40 or so weapon power, firing 2 turrets while just running and healing... yup i can see a real tank with real dps... :D

    Please make a video like that from CEE or ESTF, i bet the tac cube will upload the video named Troll-killing a squi****ar....
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    That is why with Donatra I make it is a very serious habit to have either Evasive Maneuvers or Deterium Surplus ready to get me out of the way when she goes for her pulse.

    heheh. Yeahh, same here, and full impulse too if i can get it.. Still, sometimes she'll catch me with my pants down.. I just get annoyed that its always Me shes got in her cross hairs.. I guess i should feel honored. I pose the biggest threat, or at least the most troublesome one.
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  • variise1984variise1984 Member Posts: 26 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Another issue and I'm not sure if this is a bug or it just needs to be buffed but the base damage for Thalaron Pulse even when speced for it and at 120 AUX with at least some PG items is still only around 40K. I admit I did see a 62k mouse over once when I first started testing it but haven't seen that since and I haven't changed squat. I regularly see hits between zero to 40k+ depending on how close the enemy is to the pulse. It tends to do base damage if the target is within 5k. At around 7k it's half that and at 9k or so it does virtually nothing.

    This ability is by far the most crippling to the player using it of any other that I have seen. It requires that you spec for it (PG), use leech, red matter (or adjust power from weapons to auxiliary), use space sets that buff Aux/PG or buff another stat hard enough so you can adjust power away from it to Aux, equip a BOF that has Emergency Power to Auxiliary (preferably rank II) and then time everything just right so the various buffs and attack patterns don't wear out before the thing fires. And it disables your ability to defend yourself virtually mandating that you blow the secondary shields before using the Pulse every time.

    Compare that to any other end game ship and it's absolutely ridiculous. If it did 10x the damage it does now it would be worth it. It does not, nor will it. If we are lucky we might see a slight adjustment in damage but not enough to ever make this thing useful.

    This requires way more testing but so far it's not worth it to equip all 3 consoles. You are way better off using almost any other console and you will be far more effective.

    Considering that I waited since release to play a Reman piloting a Scimitar I'm very disappointed.
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  • raptorsdsraptorsds Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Infiziert 1 hit by gate 34000 hit and lose 90% of my hull

    thats not normal

    Kithomer

    1st hit gate 24000(maybe +3000-5000 more) lose 80%

    heal back to 100 %

    2nd hit gate 27000 lose about 70 %
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Yesterday, I watched a guy vaporize a Tac cube. no, he didnt blow it up, he hit it with one shot and vaporized it. Obviously he wasnt using the thaleron cannon. I was so stunned i dont even remember if it was a scimitar or not.
    Comparitively, my thaleron cannon deals about 40 - 47K of damage with everything being funneled to aux and tac, and i can drop a tac cube from 99% to 94% in one burst. Thats a hell of a long way from vaporizing a tac cube. I'd love to theorize on why they made it so weak, and yell and scream and jump up and down in anger like rumplestiltskin but that wouldnt help anything.. As it is, the ship is a wonderful ship. it simply has a major case of anemia just like most romulan ships. I dont know why it was made so anemic. I dont know why it didnt come with a full custom interior like the Oddy , Vesta and bortus did. I dont know why romulans are not allowed to be a full faction. I know they are at least working on the anemia. I'm getting tired of throwing rocks in a shooting war.
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  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    raptorsds wrote: »
    Infiziert 1 hit by gate 34000 hit and lose 90% of my hull

    thats not normal

    No, its not and it happens to all of us all the time.. I'm running almost 9K of shields and 54K of hull, and i get one shot by gates all the time. It doesnt happen in my Bort (55K hull ) it doesnt happen in my armitage ( 57K hull ) and it doesnt happen in my Vo'Quv ( 47K hull )But it happens in my Mogai, My refit D'Dex, and my Scimitar. I must admit it really pisses me off, but worse, I dont have any solution to the problem.
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  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    pissycuta wrote: »
    What's that video supposed to show? How you troll yourself? Max power to shields, tank build, 40 or so weapon power, firing 2 turrets while just running and healing... yup i can see a real tank with real dps... :D

    Please make a video like that from CEE or ESTF, i bet the tac cube will upload the video named Troll-killing a squi****ar....

    People here said that a Scimi can't tank anything this is just a prove that this is wrong, i just put full pwoer to shields when i got shot by escorts and tanked them for the video, so far i killed 2 people before i hit fraps ;)

    And yes the same layout works perfect on ESTF, if you want to i make another video of it lol
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rcdriver91 wrote: »
    People here said that a Scimi can't tank anything this is just a prove that this is wrong, i just put full pwoer to shields when i got shot by escorts and tanked them for the video, so far i killed 2 people before i hit fraps ;)

    And yes the same layout works perfect on ESTF, if you want to i make another video of it lol

    Please, by all means do. For those of us that run ten to fifteen estf's a day seven days a week, it should be quite, educational..
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  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wufangchu wrote: »
    Please, by all means do. For those of us that run ten to fifteen estf's a day seven days a week, it should be quite, educational..

    WEll even when i do know that you are probably very sarcastic ... will do ;)
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rcdriver91 wrote: »
    WEll even when i do know that you are probably very sarcastic ... will do ;)

    only half sarcastic.. Its been a hell of a day. Forgive me please.. And yes, i would enjoy seeing a video :)..
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  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wufangchu wrote: »
    only half sarcastic.. Its been a hell of a day. Forgive me please.. And yes, i would enjoy seeing a video :)..

    http://youtu.be/3a56pPTLS7o

    should be done within the next hour ;)

    Ninjaedit: it's uploaded
  • iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    So I did more testing on the Scimitar in PvP. After 7 different Arena matches + 1 C&H, I did not die even once and our Pug team won all 8 encounters. A couple of close calls but it managed to survive and scored lots of kills. Only ran into a Premade once however, and it's not a cheesy Premade. If I were to run into one those highly cheesy Preamdes and rumored to be using "special in-game programs", then the outcome would likely be different but luckily, no. I further tested in a pseudo 1 vs 1 against one the most nasty Bug ship out there, CryoX, in Kerrat. The match was not completed due to untimely reset but at the time of reset, he is down to 10-15% of hull and I had about 60% and still have not used Secondary Shielding. You'd think if there is something wrong with the hull resist, the ship probably can't survive the kind of fire CryoX is putting out in his bug. So if there is any obvious bugs, I am not seeing them...

    That said, to compare, I also purposely flew my Wells around a bit, back to back. The Wells has 10K less hull than the Scimitar but it feels as though it's more tanky, strange but that's my hunch. It's hard to compare their shields because Wells has the top shielding of any ship and the two ships don't use the same shields. But as far as the hull resist is concerned, I can see why some people suspect the Scimitar has a hull resist bug. I don't have hard numbers so it's just an impression I get. FYI, I have dismissed the shuttle on the Rommie toon so I don't have a shuttle there anymore. Still, this feeling is strange even though my Scimitar is just fine, whether in CE Elite or Borg eSTF. Some people reported being one-shot by Gate, it never happened to me. Actually, the Gate generally doesn't scratch me much because I don't give it the opportunity to do so.

    The bottom line is if the Dev wants to buff the Scim, I am all for it. I am a little concerned however about Cyrptic trying to fix bugs because they tend to break something else while trying to fix a problem. It almost always turns out like that, for example, human leadership trait is left broken since LoR with no fix at all.
  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    What is your setup on the Scimitar iskandus ?
  • fmgtorres1979fmgtorres1979 Member Posts: 1,327 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wufangchu wrote: »
    No, its not and it happens to all of us all the time.. I'm running almost 9K of shields and 54K of hull, and i get one shot by gates all the time. It doesnt happen in my Bort (55K hull ) it doesnt happen in my armitage ( 57K hull ) and it doesnt happen in my Vo'Quv ( 47K hull )But it happens in my Mogai, My refit D'Dex, and my Scimitar. I must admit it really pisses me off, but worse, I dont have any solution to the problem.


    Don't feel bad. I died on Azure today (Scimitar). Nobody dies on Azure...

    :o
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    iskandus wrote: »
    That said, to compare, I also purposely flew my Wells around a bit, back to back. The Wells has 10K less hull than the Scimitar but it feels as though it's more tanky, strange but that's my hunch.

    Do you have the Techie trait?
    Is your captain a human?
    Are you using any human boffs?

    With all of that, your base hull regen in combat would be twice that of a romulan in a warbird.
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    rcdriver91 wrote: »
    http://youtu.be/3a56pPTLS7o

    should be done within the next hour ;)

    Ninjaedit: it's uploaded

    Not bad.. I wish fraps didnt take up so much disk space as i would have liked to have seen the entire eSTF.
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  • madmansnipes007madmansnipes007 Member Posts: 5
    edited July 2013
    Getting rid of the shuttle worked wonders for me :) I had the scorpion shuttle if that matters
  • captainobvious09captainobvious09 Member Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Has anyone had any luck trying to get a refund on the Scimitar pack? if so what channels did you go through?
  • vonhellstingvonhellsting Member Posts: 543 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Shuttle defiantly was effecting something on my end. Once I got rid of it all my officer positions and personal tray was reset. The bad thing is it made my ship worse now everything is cutting right through my shields:eek:
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  • hereticknight085hereticknight085 Member Posts: 3,783 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Has anyone had any luck trying to get a refund on the Scimitar pack? if so what channels did you go through?

    You can't get a refund on the scimitar. You also cannot get a refund on any purchase in game that requires real money. It's in the fine text of the EULA.

    Basically PWE and Cryptic Studios are under no obligation to refund any in game purchase that was made successfully (I.E was not bugged out or screwed up etc) and voluntarily by a player. They can choose to do so if they want to, but I think in this case... they won't. So once you buy it, you're stuck with it. And you aren't getting your money back. It sucks, but that's how it goes.
    It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once. B)
  • rcdriver91rcdriver91 Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    wufangchu wrote: »
    Not bad.. I wish fraps didnt take up so much disk space as i would have liked to have seen the entire eSTF.

    ye , sadly even this short video took 1,3 GB :/

    But i can tell you: Didn't die once :)

    If you want to, i post in the full build here
  • iskandusiskandus Member Posts: 1,062 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    ruminate00 wrote: »
    Do you have the Techie trait?
    Is your captain a human?
    Are you using any human boffs?

    With all of that, your base hull regen in combat would be twice that of a romulan in a warbird.

    1) Yes, Techie trait
    2) No, Betazoid
    3) There are 2 human boffs

    Will check what's the hull regeneration rate per tooltip
  • caldannachcaldannach Member Posts: 485 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I run regular ESTF's and i really can tank gates and tac cubes in my scimitar. And i have the Lt Commander slot as a tactical.

    2 x tac team 1
    2 x EPTS 1
    1 x transfer shield strength 2
    1 x hazard emitters 1

    My shield power runs at around 84 with full singularity when i have full weapons, and with EPTS its always at around 110 and if the doffs proc then shield power is maxed......this helps a lot and is key. However cloaking is your best defense.

    Purple doff for proc of shield power on using energy weapons, and the torpedo version too
    Purple doff that can clear debuffs on use of emergency power.

    I use the full Borg Mk XI set at the moment if that helps? Not sure what all the people who keep having problems are using, maybe its just one shield type that is bugged, if at all?

    Also my Thaloron does 60k damage when i pump full aux and alpha. Plus another 60k from the dot.....thats a lot. And i critted 140k on it the other day. I have 6 slots in particle generators.
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  • synthenoxsynthenox Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    There is a glitch that is affecting some captains of the Scimitar more than others depending on how the ship is laid out. Organic generation of shields is bugged when having the shileds while cloaked console equipped. Try running around with that, you will find that you are quite a bit more tanky.
  • tom61stotom61sto Member Posts: 3,673 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    caldannach wrote: »
    Purple doff for proc of shield power on using energy weapons, and the torpedo version too

    Do these DOffs stack with Plasmonic Leech, and are you using that too?
  • madmansnipes007madmansnipes007 Member Posts: 5
    edited July 2013
    Yes they do stack
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