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marksamuelsonmarksamuelson Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited July 2013 in Romulan Discussion
I don't get why Romulans allied with Klingons or Federation would want Tasha to get back in time. The Klingons should want to kill her to keep her from reversing their victory over the Federation. Romulans of both factions should want her to NOT go back in time because no Tasha - no Sela. Also, what use are the rewards for a Romulan? I don't get it. :confused:
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  • crappyturbocrappyturbo Member Posts: 201 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Because if the Romulans or Klingons do not get her and the Enterprise-C back. The Tholians are the rulers of the alpha and beta quadrants
  • varnoukhvarnoukh Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Not to mention all the butterflies. The "real" timeline included Tasha and Sela. Remove her and no-one could know what effect that would have.

    I never unpacked the ship myself, but it's technically the first free cruiser that Romfeds can get their hands on. And particularly if we're talking about PVE, it's not the stealth on warbirds is terribly useful.
  • farmallmfarmallm Member Posts: 4,630 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Since I did it on both Fed and KDF. I just did a click, run, etc. And saw how fast I could fly through the mission. To me I mainly saw it more a Fed type mission. As the KDF didn't have much difference.
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  • psycoticvulcanpsycoticvulcan Member Posts: 4,160 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    In that timeline, the Klingons and the Romulans were both conquered by the Dominion.
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  • amwolfeamwolfe Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I don't get why Romulans allied with Klingons or Federation would want Tasha to get back in time. The Klingons should want to kill her to keep her from reversing their victory over the Federation. Romulans of both factions should want her to NOT go back in time because no Tasha - no Sela. Also, what use are the rewards for a Romulan? I don't get it. :confused:


    Because in that time-line there is no Sela. Sela doesn't exist in that timeline until Tasha goes back in time.

    The characters seem to be aware that something is wrong, but they don't recall the previous time-line, all they have to go on is what Richard and Tasha tell them, and their own sense that something isn't right.

    They do not have any knowledge of who Tasha Yar is (or will become) because it hasn't happened yet (even though it takes place in the past).

    Not being slaves to the tholians is a motivation in and of itself.
  • nebbiosadonzellanebbiosadonzella Member Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Romulans of both factions should want her to NOT go back in time because no Tasha - no Sela.

    That's how you serve your Empress? For shame.
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  • kaigen42kaigen42 Member Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    amwolfe wrote: »
    Because in that time-line there is no Sela. Sela doesn't exist in that timeline until Tasha goes back in time.

    The characters seem to be aware that something is wrong, but they don't recall the previous time-line, all they have to go on is what Richard and Tasha tell them, and their own sense that something isn't right.

    They do not have any knowledge of who Tasha Yar is (or will become) because it hasn't happened yet (even though it takes place in the past).

    Not being slaves to the tholians is a motivation in and of itself.
    This is the big thing; the OP's confusion is predicated on knowledge that the character doesn't have.
  • theonetruetomtheonetruetom Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    varnoukh wrote: »
    Not to mention all the butterflies. The "real" timeline included Tasha and Sela. Remove her and no-one could know what effect that would have.

    I never unpacked the ship myself, but it's technically the first free cruiser that Romfeds can get their hands on. And particularly if we're talking about PVE, it's not the stealth on warbirds is terribly useful.

    It's very good as a cruiser, but the cloaking from warbirds adds a non-insignificant amount of turn, and some DPS which any player using a cruiser probably wouldn't say no to.
  • willamsheridanwillamsheridan Member Posts: 1,189 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I hope they will give us a romulan ship for romulan players as reward Something based on ST. Legacy or Armada ships maybe.
  • marksamuelsonmarksamuelson Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It just seems to me that Romulans in any timeline should not have a vested interest in trying to help Federation officers stop a Romulan attack of a Klingon outpost. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it makes sense.
  • omegaphallicomegaphallic Member Posts: 101 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    Your character is a memeber of the Romulan Republic and is allied with the KDF and Federation.
  • tewha7tewha7 Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It just seems to me that Romulans in any timeline should not have a vested interest in trying to help Federation officers stop a Romulan attack of a Klingon outpost. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it makes sense.

    When you know the current timeline leads to complete failure and slavery, I would think you'd roll the dice at _any_ chance to change the past.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It just seems to me that Romulans in any timeline should not have a vested interest in trying to help Federation officers stop a Romulan attack of a Klingon outpost. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it makes sense.

    Living under Tholian rule for a couple of decades is probably enough for any self-respecting Romulan to consider risking his life to restore his people to a semblance of autonomy.

    Oh, BTW while the Enterprise-C attempts to stop the attack it still succeeds and must succeed for the timeline to be restored so what's the complaint?;)
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    As others have said, the primary motivation would be freedom from Tholian oppression.

    Let's look at the sequence of events relevent to the timeline our character experiences:

    Klingons attack Narendra III
    Enterprise-C responds to distress call
    Enterprise-C arrives, exchanges fire with the three Romulan ships, but disappears
    Evtns seen in 'Yesterday's Enterprise'
    Enterprise-C re-enters the time-rift, covered by Enterprise-D
    Enterprise-C appears in 2409, causing another timeline shift - the one we experience.
    Events put right by our character's actions during the mission.
    Enterprise-C returns to the battle of Naraendra III and is lost defending it against a Klingon attack.

    So, although there are some differences, the fact remains that our character experiences a timeline that was a consequence of the Enterprise-C being 'removed' from the battle of Narendra III. There cannot therefore be any knowledge of said battle.

    The Klingons don't attack Narendra III, the Romulans attack the Klingon outpost at Narendra III.

    Sorry, if this sounds harsh but please get this important and elemetary fact right or your whole post makes no sense.;)

    The Klingons later seek an alliance with the Federation because the Enterprise is lost in defense of that Klingon outpost.
  • marksamuelsonmarksamuelson Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    All of us have information that our characters don't. Ok, I get that serving the Tholians is unacceptable and helping Tasha for that reason alone does make sense. Even so, a Romulan hearing that Tasha was trying to go back in time to stop a Romulan attack on a Klingon outpost should cause some issues. For a Romulan allied with the Klingons, stopping an attack on a Klingon outpost makes sense maybe. For a Romulan allied with the Federation, helping the Federation makes sense - again maybe if you know something about all that. Our toons do not. Romulans should have no reason to work with the Federation or the Klingons based on what they should know from the timeline they are experiencing in this mission.

    It makes more sense to me for them to conspire with D'Tan to find a way to gain the upper hand on the Tholians. With what our characters know in the time line they find themselves in they should have no interest in helping anyone but Romulans. They should hate Klingons and the Federation and not be too fond of Remans either. If anything, they should be more interested in gathering any intelligence they can on the Enterprise C and the rewards for a Romulan should be something Romulan. That is how it seems to me anyway.
  • otisnobleotisnoble Member Posts: 1,290 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I forgot how annoying Tasha Yar was.
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  • lilitaly5179lilitaly5179 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    otisnoble wrote: »
    I forgot how annoying Tasha Yar was.

    Believe me.. if I could I would have shot her in the back of the head.
  • doffingcomradedoffingcomrade Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    It just seems to me that Romulans in any timeline should not have a vested interest in trying to help Federation officers stop a Romulan attack of a Klingon outpost. Maybe it's just me, but I don't think it makes sense.
    A Romulan in THAT timeline has a vested interest in NOT BEING A THOLIAN SLAVE. For you, the concept of "Federation", "Romulan Attacks", and "Klingon outposts" is irrelevant. All you know is that something is wrong about this place, and that being a Tholian slave really sucks.
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  • elemberq333elemberq333 Member Posts: 430 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    I don't get why Romulans allied with Klingons or Federation would want Tasha to get back in time. The Klingons should want to kill her to keep her from reversing their victory over the Federation. Romulans of both factions should want her to NOT go back in time because no Tasha - no Sela. Also, what use are the rewards for a Romulan? I don't get it. :confused:

    they could have the mission but make it more "Romulan" and instead of Enterprise ship reward give us a Romulan unique ship reward....:rolleyes:
  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited July 2013
    they could have the mission but make it more "Romulan" and instead of Enterprise ship reward give us a Romulan unique ship reward....:rolleyes:
    Thats what it all boils down too. The Ambasador! hell i could care less what ship it is, its what it stands for. Its a fed ship, that to me says its a fed mission. I dont remember which ship my klingon got, but i know it wasnt federation.. in my opinion, they merely cut and pasted the kdf and fed missions over onto the romulans to avoid having to put any effort into it.. maybe it was a time crunch. Maybe it was just laziness. I dont know.. But the last thing i wanted for my romulan was a damned federation ship.. of course, the last thing i wanted for my romulan was any federation or klingon interference at all.. Guess i lost that battle..
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