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pissycuta
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I am not sure this is the right place to make this suggestion, so accept my apologies if i am using the wrong forum.
I know people will start complaining on "how OP" this is going to be before even reading and i doubt Cryptic takes player suggestions into account but at any rate here goes:
Please introduce a new "row" of console slots - Special Consoles - which would be available to pack ships or ships that have unique special consoles.
With the introduction of the warp cores it's obviously possible to add or modify existing ships.
The special console slots would vary between 1-3 console slots per ship and would only accept that ship special console or that pack special set consoles. (these slots would not allow any other console than the inherit ones from the said ship/ships, so in the case of an Odyssey they would take the chevron separation console and the rest, they would not allow any other console, not even universals)
Eg. Galaxy X would get 1 slot which could slot only the cloaking device
Kumari/Oddy/Bortas/Scimitar would get 3 that could only slot the 3 special consoles.
While some ppl will cry foul and OP, i think it is only fair to have it like this, it is not fair to make players pay 10000 zen and than be faced with a decision of either making your build as you like or sacrifice everything to use the consoles you already payed for.
It is all fine and dandy when we are talking 1 console and some built in abilities like let's say on the dkora with the missile barrage or the enhanced battle cloak of the B'rel... but on the pack ships it's getting ridiculous... Either take this suggestion into consideration Cryptic or enhance the number of consoles on all ships... what is the point in having so many consoles if we don't have space to use them? Consoles from sets, consoles from lobi's, consoles from lobi sets, consoles from reputation, universal consoles... And while more consoles slots might end up with an OPness factor, the set consoles are already there... we payed for those ships and those consoles... why do we need to sacrifice some other consoles from our builds just to be able to use the set consoles we payed for? Does that look fair?
In regards to the OPness factor of this suggestion... honestly this is not a MMORPG or the like where you go cry that player is op and cheating and has an advantage and if i die by him, he steals my gear and the like :P If you deem a ship/build/class OP in this game feel free to buy and use that said ship/build/class... More ppl buying "OP" stuff more money for Cryptic to keep this game alive, introduce new things and all that.
I know people will start complaining on "how OP" this is going to be before even reading and i doubt Cryptic takes player suggestions into account but at any rate here goes:
Please introduce a new "row" of console slots - Special Consoles - which would be available to pack ships or ships that have unique special consoles.
With the introduction of the warp cores it's obviously possible to add or modify existing ships.
The special console slots would vary between 1-3 console slots per ship and would only accept that ship special console or that pack special set consoles. (these slots would not allow any other console than the inherit ones from the said ship/ships, so in the case of an Odyssey they would take the chevron separation console and the rest, they would not allow any other console, not even universals)
Eg. Galaxy X would get 1 slot which could slot only the cloaking device
Kumari/Oddy/Bortas/Scimitar would get 3 that could only slot the 3 special consoles.
While some ppl will cry foul and OP, i think it is only fair to have it like this, it is not fair to make players pay 10000 zen and than be faced with a decision of either making your build as you like or sacrifice everything to use the consoles you already payed for.
It is all fine and dandy when we are talking 1 console and some built in abilities like let's say on the dkora with the missile barrage or the enhanced battle cloak of the B'rel... but on the pack ships it's getting ridiculous... Either take this suggestion into consideration Cryptic or enhance the number of consoles on all ships... what is the point in having so many consoles if we don't have space to use them? Consoles from sets, consoles from lobi's, consoles from lobi sets, consoles from reputation, universal consoles... And while more consoles slots might end up with an OPness factor, the set consoles are already there... we payed for those ships and those consoles... why do we need to sacrifice some other consoles from our builds just to be able to use the set consoles we payed for? Does that look fair?
In regards to the OPness factor of this suggestion... honestly this is not a MMORPG or the like where you go cry that player is op and cheating and has an advantage and if i die by him, he steals my gear and the like :P If you deem a ship/build/class OP in this game feel free to buy and use that said ship/build/class... More ppl buying "OP" stuff more money for Cryptic to keep this game alive, introduce new things and all that.
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The version unique consoles are meant to make you choose what you're going to slot.
The idea of special console slots while possibly appealing is improbable to happen.
Most things are a matter of sacrifice to use something you like best or works for you. Can you imagine the Tactical Scimitar with the set bonus, plus the whole console slots?
Then i ask the question why buy a 5 tac console ship if you can only use 2 if you want to survive? Or why pay so much for a ship / ships which actually make you be worse (with less usable consoles) than the person that uses a normal or free ship?
What's the point in all those rep consoles and universals and lobi consoles? We pay just to have them as we don't have slots to use them... and the solution apparently is to make a choice in what you use... fine then i choose not to spend more on lobis or set consoles i don't have space to use... if more will come to that conclusion we will see where STO ends up....
For instance, on my Odyssey and MVAE I ended up removing the separation consoles because I wasn't using them frequently so it made no tactical sense keeping them. That way I equipped consoles that are "always in use".
And what do you mean only use 2? My Scimitar uses the five tact consoles for weapons consoles. The set consoles were put on engineering and science slots. The next step is adjusting your tactics to what you choose. You are perfectly capable of surviving, as you get the secondary shields, you can do an alpha strike fully cloaked (and fire a few more rounds), etc... But obviously I didn't build it like that to park and "battleship-away" the war zone. I need to keep moving, and I only do (real) damage facing the enemy.
@msk5: I'm fine with that, i have an even better idea, allow us to buy the 3 ship packs and the like for fleet modules, than i can make a choice if i use real life money, dilithium or ECs to buy them.
@fmgtorres1979: No you don't have a choice, your example says it all, you removed the separation from the MVAM, why? Why did you buy the MVAM in the first place? Why would anyone buy a MVAM now? Without the console the fleet version is better, i can get that for ECs... so in essence you wasted 2500 ZEN... That's my whole point, the consoles aren't all that great to make up for the slot(s) you lose... so you end up using your normal day to day consoles and not the consoles you payed 5000 ZEN for...
But again, as I said from the start; if it were possible to get the set consoles without loosing slots it would be great, i just don't see it happening for balance issues.
It's not necessarily OP, but it's definitely just another way of cramming more stuff into the ships to squeeze even more DPS, tanking capacity, etc. It's unnecessary. Same goes for similar requests for armor slots and the like, IMO.
Also, no one is making anyone pay 10,000 zen, or any amount, for any ship. Anyone who pays zen to buy ships, bundled or not, is supposed to know or find out what they're buying, including console limitations. More so those players that have some experience and already know the builds they like or want to try. If a ship won't work with the build you like, then you shouldn't buy it. Unfortunately, people nowadays just scram to buy C-store ships just because they're new and shiny, and then complain because they're not as good (for them) as expected.
Lock Box ships - 10 slots plus 2 special consoles, now less viable than bundled ships with 12 slots max yeah I can see people being happy about that
Mirror Ships/other free or Dil ships - already obsolete only 9 slots and no specials, might as well stick these in the bone yard
Single Z-store ships - 9 slots one special console, already obsolete unless you get the fleet versions, put it in the bone yard with this threads idea as max slots would be 11, bundled ships win out again
Z-store bundle ships - With this idea you now have 13 console slots and basically become GOD.
Wrong, because you have no way of knowing until you actually have the ship(s), now if they put all these nice bundles on Tribble and let me and the other ppl like me test everything in an enviroment that doesn't require 3 hours to start an STF and the like i'll be happy to check and test in advance.
@darkhorse281:
A small flaw in your plan "Mirror Ships/other free or Dil ships - already obsolete only 9 slots and no specials, might as well stick these in the bone yard", errr.... oh look bundled ships 10 slots 3 specials => 7 usable consoles... who should be in the bone yard?
As for "I'm already tanking estf cubes with an Andorian escort with all 3 of its consoles." i know "you are strong, you look for things that make you go, and the borg didn't use their crimson torpedo on you yet", apart from that i have my doubts you are "tanking" more to the point you are killing the cube fast before it takes you out, most likely by using all buffs and RSP and the like, so yes you can "tank" once every 3 minutes, or you do so little damage that you are not the threat target or are running like some other ppl with a scimitar with 1-2 tactical consoles, they can tank well
The base point however... who should be in the bone yard? The ship with 9 consoles, or the ship with 7?
Sure, I would LOVE to have the Vesta consoles built into my ship for free. However, it won't be balanced for the game and would destroy what little balacne we have. Either EVERY ship would have to have an extra three slots which min-maxers would use for more tac consoles. Or, you would make it "Zen" console slots only meaning that you would have to put money into the game to fully kit out your ship, which in principle undoes the very premise of "You dont have to pay a dime to be competitive at End Game".
No No and No.
You want your cool powers. You have to pay a price for them.
Exactly.
I can't even begin to think all the problems this would cause. What he's basically asking is for built in "super-buffs" and weapons + 10 consoles.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
Point defense and/or scatter volley render the borg HY torp irrelevant. Yeah I use rsp and eps that's what they are their for, I even use attack patterns:eek:. As for their only being 7 console slots you are incorrect you still have 10 you just have to pick and choose which specials you want. Their is no law that says you HAVE to use all 3 consoles just because they come with the ships. With the special abilities come choices, some harder than others but that's part of what suppose to make this game challenging.
Yet another reason NOT to get the 3 packs... Just sayin.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
NO you don't get 10 consoles you get 7, because those special consoles are mostly worthless with high cooldown.
"Their is no law that says you HAVE to use all 3 consoles just because they come with the ships. With the special abilities come choices, some harder than others but that's part of what suppose to make this game challenging. " That's a very funny statement, so the reason people spend money on this game is because they want to be nerfed and make the game harder... sorry i didn't know, i presume that you are one of those ppl that go to a 5 star high comfort hotel, pay 10000 $ for a night of accomodation and sleeps on the floor, because "you are strong" :P
"You want your cool powers. You have to pay a price for them." While others don't pay a dime on this game and yet are more competitive, again very funny.
In essence, the way it is now, it's not even canon, it's not even right... sorry if some of you just can't see it. I don't honestly recall any dialogue along the lines:
Picard: Bridge crew report to the battle bridge, prepare for saucer separation!
Data: Captain we cannot use the saucer separation for another 4 days, 15 hours, 23 minutes and 59 seconds.
OR
Riker: Sorry captain, we took the separation console off to make room for the warp core diagnostic unit.
OR
La Forge: Captain the separation unit will only be installed on tuesday!
Now your just being childish......
Is he really??? It's true, with weapons I can understand due to power issues, but with saucer sep? No more reason it should have a lengthy CD than launching pets. Which BTW should not be an infinite number. Why have a recall command or the ability to heal them if they are disposable? As far as it being a console and not built in ability.... this is one exception I could see. The engy ody could easily have a different set console and all odys include sauc sep. But this is splitting hairs, you still would'nt want a Vesta having all 3 consoles and their mega abilities + 10 regular consoles. That would just be nuts.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
Well now, if ALL ships had 3 uni console slot, that would be something. Not sure how power creep would factor in but as long as all ships can do it, perhaps. Still think it's a bad idea, if for no other reason that it would widen the pvp newb v elite even gap more.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah