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theanothername
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Since player avatar and spaceship are more or less the same and the recent jetpack (wich feels a bit like steering a low-inerta ship) makes a straight up movement possible could this be the first foundation to up/down maneuvers with a spaceship?
To new players: corkscrewing is a term often used for the movement you do with your ship to reach a destination several km above or underneath your ship.
To new players: corkscrewing is a term often used for the movement you do with your ship to reach a destination several km above or underneath your ship.
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Given that even Kirk used 'z-minus 1000 meters' as a movement to baffle Khan in TWOK (the original, not the floating TRIBBLE served up by sirs Orci & Abrams).
Corkscrewing sucks, but heck, it works.
"There are three things to remember about being a starship captain:
keep your shirt tucked in, go down with the ship, and never abandon a member of your crew."
- Kathryn Janeway
While this is true and it should have been like that from launch, I would be happy with the up/down movement because it would be better than what we have now.
The Cryptic engine can handle Z movement, its not new. Look at Champions Online for confirmation.
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
It would just be nice to move Straight up or Down, Because corkscrewing is a pain in the TRIBBLE, especially for missions like the Vault : Ensnared
That would require rolling. Simple up/down would not accomplish what you fear.
The OP is talking about an up and down movement, not about real 3D space, even though space combat in 3D would be epic like it was in Starfleet Academy, Klingon Academy, Bridge Commander and what ever else and they are more Star Trek than this. They just did not want inverted ships in the shows.
being able to pitch and roll in any direction is much more realistict for them at faster speeds from what we've seen on screen.
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That people should know what they're screaming about!
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Have you ever driven a car through fog so thick you couldn't see 3 feet ahead of you?
If your answer is "yes", did you do so close to the road's speed limit?
Also, what does your first point have to do with the second one?
This makes partciularly no sense since angling the ship by 10 degrees difers in no way from angling it 90 degrees.
It may be rare, but it has happened in canon. See 1:50 mark on this compilation vid.
I saw the Kirk maneuver in WoK as almost like a sub blowing ballast to reach a higher level. I would not mind having that trick.
What I would really like to have, though, is a steeper pitch. Not completely vertical, per se, but steeper. If you look at Defiant's attack in First Contact, she went almost vertical against the cube before banking.
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That's my point, they were going so, droping down straight was fisable. It's not when the ship is moving on high impulse.
Starships must still obey this wonderful concept call the "Law of Inertia" (inertial dampers are more from keeping everything inside the ship from going splat). A slighter angle take less engery than a larger one.
What's my position?
That people should know what they're screaming about!
(paraphrased from "The Newsroom)
Tall ships or piloting a submarine is how ships flying around in the game. That's is an intended ship feature. It's how 99% of all ship combat happened in Star Trek series and movies.
The ship flight limitations are NOT a limitation of the game engine. It is deliberately designed into STO. It has been confirmed by the devs many times over the years. In fact, the game is MORE complicated due to the fact they added axis limits on ship and camera movements. Full 3-d is actually quite simple once you hve the basic of the simulator in place.
Considering that I have a flight travel power char in CO for a few years that I occasional revisit I had a little facepalm moment right now.
Must have been the engine of the jetpack which made me think of the connection to ships.
I like how the combat in STO feels. Its pretty much spot on to the Trek feeling (besides some occasional freak ships no <fraction> captain would use on duty in the shows/movies
I did not really thought it as something to be used in combat (there might be moments) but more as a help to get to nav-points. Because at these rare moments it starts feeling not quite like trek anymore if you need to do CS to reach them.
If the movement would be ~half the regular impulse I do not think how it could be abused in some un-immersive way and you would still be faster and much less annoyed in reaching locations right above/under your ship then to CS them.
So Cryptic goes and makes a map where you can jet pack around... or Champions allows folks to fly freely all day long.
By the stupid logic displayed in this thread... the Risa jetpack should be removed and be too difficult and Champions Online should come with a mandatory sick bag.
If folks are going to whine that 3D combat is too difficult and Cryptic are going to continue being intellectually dishonest in defending it... clearly this game needs to remove all ability to go up and down completely and limit it to a single flat plane like Starfleet Command.
Instead the limitation is imposed and Cryptic continue to make the game in a 3D environment and place objectives where those limitations force players to compensate for Cryptic stupidity.
Then some people randomly come in and justify it as adding an extra element of strategy...
Yeah... its such a great boon of strategy to have to spin in circles to reach a target because the game wont let you just go in a straight line. :rolleyes: