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Low Hanging Fruit: Fixing PvP one small step at a time
magniacapra
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Instead of clamoring for a PvP expansion, here's a list of things that could be ninja patched over the course of the next 18 months that would improve the PvP experience.
Not all of these things are super easy things to do, probably none of them are in the grand scheme of things, but instead of the golden unicorn "PvP Expansion" forever pushed back, how about a few small steps at a time.
1) Forget about *balance* - focus on creating niches with an ever changing meta whilst and bring some truly terrible modules and bridge officer abilities from out of the wilderness. (i'm looking at you tachyon beam...) Cryptic has more or less been doing this, however it would be nice if there was a more consistent dialogue with the community.
2) End open hostilities between KDF and Feds... Allow mixed faction teams! After all there are new challenges ahead!
3) New Game modes like pvp starbase defence or even just arena maps with interesting spawn points or system effects. See creating niches.
4) Create separate queues for premades and pugs, allow pug matches to start with 1 or 2 on each side
5) A PvP reputation store - Getting reputation marks for something we all do anyway will feel like less of a grind, in reward, pilots get [acc]x3 weapons store, and pvp things and a 3 piece set that's as good or better than 2 piece borg+ fleet shield. Although that's power creep to some degree, 1. the 2 piece borg set as been king of the hill for too long and needs serious competition, 2. If you PvP, this would probably be preferable to doing the other and, perhaps future reputation stores over and over again.
6) Exotic Damage, better define what it is and turn it into the 3rd axis of performance (probably major feat tbh but could benefit pve'ers if they desire to better recognise none dps roles in stf)
7) More export functions - eg, exporting a skill tree or ship build to .txt files - from there i'm sure 3rd parties can build new tools
8) Overtime, clean up your logs - some weapon types have the wrong name, pets aren't properly assigned, things like tetryon glider don't appear.
9) Mind the power creep - and update freely available stuff (after a year?) on both factions so that weekend warriors aren't lagging hugely behind because they don't want to do unholy levels of grind.
I guess all of these things in one season would make for an epic pvp expansion, but, I think some of these things can be ninja'ed in over a year or two, what do you guys think? Have I missed anything?
Not all of these things are super easy things to do, probably none of them are in the grand scheme of things, but instead of the golden unicorn "PvP Expansion" forever pushed back, how about a few small steps at a time.
1) Forget about *balance* - focus on creating niches with an ever changing meta whilst and bring some truly terrible modules and bridge officer abilities from out of the wilderness. (i'm looking at you tachyon beam...) Cryptic has more or less been doing this, however it would be nice if there was a more consistent dialogue with the community.
2) End open hostilities between KDF and Feds... Allow mixed faction teams! After all there are new challenges ahead!
3) New Game modes like pvp starbase defence or even just arena maps with interesting spawn points or system effects. See creating niches.
4) Create separate queues for premades and pugs, allow pug matches to start with 1 or 2 on each side
5) A PvP reputation store - Getting reputation marks for something we all do anyway will feel like less of a grind, in reward, pilots get [acc]x3 weapons store, and pvp things and a 3 piece set that's as good or better than 2 piece borg+ fleet shield. Although that's power creep to some degree, 1. the 2 piece borg set as been king of the hill for too long and needs serious competition, 2. If you PvP, this would probably be preferable to doing the other and, perhaps future reputation stores over and over again.
6) Exotic Damage, better define what it is and turn it into the 3rd axis of performance (probably major feat tbh but could benefit pve'ers if they desire to better recognise none dps roles in stf)
7) More export functions - eg, exporting a skill tree or ship build to .txt files - from there i'm sure 3rd parties can build new tools
8) Overtime, clean up your logs - some weapon types have the wrong name, pets aren't properly assigned, things like tetryon glider don't appear.
9) Mind the power creep - and update freely available stuff (after a year?) on both factions so that weekend warriors aren't lagging hugely behind because they don't want to do unholy levels of grind.
I guess all of these things in one season would make for an epic pvp expansion, but, I think some of these things can be ninja'ed in over a year or two, what do you guys think? Have I missed anything?
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No, Tholian Web Mines are just hilariously overpowered. Too much damage for the level of stun.
By niches, what I mean is, see now engineers excel at capture and holds whilst suck at arena's? Having more niches may provide more chances for certain ships, builds or professions to excel...
unlikely, as they don't fall under 'niche'
Now, if it was 'tholian single cannon of doom', that might be niche, because nobody really does single cannon builds outside of the occasional tac cruiser, so releasing a weapon in an underused, underperforming type would encourage niche builds.
But you really don't lose out on anything for putting the web mines on your ship.
But I strongly agree on the mixed queues.
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That's not what we mean by niche.
Once that is done it will be easy(ier) to find the outlier TRIBBLE
>>>'focus on creating niches'
From the plural, sounds like multiple sections/segments/subsets.
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niches as in build possibilities really. like a all cannon escort, or a heal cruiser, or a shield striping sci ship. start with the all the builds, and tweek everything until they all work within the system in 1 way or the other.
with all the power creep, the fundamentals need quite a bit of rework, otherwise some ship niches with continue to get more marginalized and more worthless
im talking about new pvp maps, new weapons types (easy to do) new boff abilities (just ask the forums cryptic, its easy) new ships (oh oh new ships)... instead of wasting your time making "summer events and winter events" and offering free ships, i think they should focus on the points i mentioned above
That's me !
Fair enough, but I suspect you are right to suggest the fundamentals need work before a variety of builds/classes are viable again.
I've said this for a long time... there is far too much that can be pushed to extremes, which makes it impossible to balance stuff. But if you know that the maximum damage buff is X%, you can start designing around that.
Look at GW2 - there are a fixed number of buffs/debuffs, with defined stacking limits. But many ways to get to those limits.
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The premades have all but killed arena for me. I joined a few premades via the opvp channel and done a few roflstomp arena matches, then i thought to myself "that is usually me on the other side" felt bad for the noobs we was stomping and stopped doing arena.
There is only two things that Cryptic would need to do to get me a "casual" pvp'er back into the fold.
Split arena into two types...
Premade Team Arena (call that one "Elite" Arena and bump up the dil reward to 2000 after completing 3 of them).
Random Team Arena (pugs...on BOTH sides with no way for a premade team to get in).
When LOR launched i seen a lot of new folks enter into arena, those new folks that I still chat with now flat out refuse to go back into arena matches because of those premades. As the fresh blood in arena stops, it will soon be a case that premades will start going up against other premades and it will be the same old names showing up again and again in PVP.
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Balance is a good key for all competition. You would attract more PvP ers if they would not get exploit killed all the time. I have been klled by every exploit there has been on the forums.
Balance can never be fully achieved one being economics .. not all players walk around with MK XII elite fleet gear or any special Omega/ MACO/ KHG.. and these give players advantages.
But you can make it to where all is stuck with the same basic parts then a competition will be more enjoyable for all.
Would I, if I was an STO game dev had introduced the temporal inversion set or web mines into the game as they are? HELL NO! But I'm not going to waste anymore time trying to get that **** nerfed when there's plenty of other stuff to do.
And if your complaining about elite fleet gear and omega sets, that's exactly why you should suport a PVP Rep Store, a rep store that provides a route 1, to comparable, pvp focused versions of those sets and weapons. So that new and eager players who want to specialise in PvP, can get there with the minimum of PvE grind!
To achieve balance ,which is possible, we all in the PvP community would have to make large sacrifices .. which most would not accept.