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RR science non-options...a dealbreaker for this faction :-(
gulberat
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I try to avoid complaint threads. But this is one complaint I am afraid I must voice, since it has completely killed the wonderful enthusiam I'd had for playing my Reman toon.
There are NO Tier 5 science options for ships. Not even a C-store ship. I mean, even the KDF has the Varanus, and from what we see in the show, the Romulans should be much more scientifically sophisticated than the Klingons--perhaps even on par with the Federation.
But knowing that there is no endgame ship option for a Romulan sci...it makes all of my work and the great story that there was feel very empty in the end. Unfortunately I do not see myself revisiting my Reman except for DOFFing, until this is rectified.
There are NO Tier 5 science options for ships. Not even a C-store ship. I mean, even the KDF has the Varanus, and from what we see in the show, the Romulans should be much more scientifically sophisticated than the Klingons--perhaps even on par with the Federation.
But knowing that there is no endgame ship option for a Romulan sci...it makes all of my work and the great story that there was feel very empty in the end. Unfortunately I do not see myself revisiting my Reman except for DOFFing, until this is rectified.
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Yes Roms don't have as good of science ships as they do combat ships. But it is greater than zero.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Ha%27nom_Guardian_Warbird
It's a rather nice ship.
I am also considering getting the Dhelan retro, for when I want to hurt things myself, while using science skills too.
*shrug*
Of course, more sci ships would be nice, but let's not pretend there isn't a single option for a sci captain.
There are whisperings that the Temporal Science vessel is coming to a Romulan near you as well sometime in the future.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Mirror_Universe_Ha%27apax_Advanced_Warbird
The Ha'nom is Tier 4. NOT Tier 5. I specifically said Tier 5 in my post. Even the Klingons have the Tier 5 Varanus.
As for the T'Varo and Dhelan--until they give those ships universal commander slots, it still isn't really a science vessel.
While the Ha'nom isn't bad, I think it was an absolutely poor decision on Cryptic's part for there not to be at least ONE Tier 5 ship available for each profession for the Romulans. Until that's fixed...I am just going to stick to my Fed sci.
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That you don't know what tier 5 is, that's the problem.
http://images-cdn.perfectworld.com/www/ef/05/ef05415bb65026d75946f6b4b4e43a571366399382.jpg
Tier 1 - Ensign, Warrior, Civilian and Lieutenant
Tier 2 - Lieutenant Commander and Centurion
Tier 3 - Commander and Subcommander
Tier 4 - Captain and Commander
Tier 5 - Rear Admiral, Lower Half, Brigadier General, and Subadmiral I
Tier 5 - Rear Admiral, Upper Half, Major General, and Subadmiral II
Tier 5 - Vice Admiral and Lieutenant General
So you made a thread to post the problem...that you don't understand this game's tier system.
Well done.
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1) Cost Zen
2) Comes with a special console. Still only have 9 console slot.
Varanus is the same as these lv 50 ships.
The 3 packs, along with Steam runner, also comes with an extra console slot. The 3 packs will also come with at least one universal Boff seating.
So OP, as everyone said, we are confused - what do you mean by "lv 50", because there are zero difference between lv 40 and the lv 50 ships in terms of practicality. I can only see two possibility:
1) The science vessel you are refering to is the Vesta, which not only give you an extra console but hangars in addition. However, For most people, when they think of Fed Sci vessel, they are thinking of the Voyager retro, which only satisfy point 1 and 2.
2) You want a special console that hopefully give you an "I win" condition.
Though i do have to sympathize you when people keep recommending fleet equipments - I always think that in giving advice, one should never, ever use fleet stuff.
The Hanom is one of the best sci ships in the game, and it has an even better 5 sci console Fleet version, its T-5 shipyard, but many fleets sell access for a reasonable price.
If you want them to make a level 50 sci ship in the z-store it won't be any better then a free level 40 ship besides a unique console. It will still get 9 console slots and similar hull and shield modifier to free level 40 ships, just like every other z-store ship except for the 3 pack ships which get 10 consoles.
Compare the z-store fed sci ships to the free ones, they aren't really better. Free level 40 ships are just as much an endgame ship as z-store ships, and they all can get Fleet upgrades.
Not at all. Actually, the Rommies have it better than the KDF...
You cite Varanus as the KDF comparison, and target to attain. Let's see:
KDF Varanus, T5-L40. RR Ha'Nom, T5-L40. Ha'Nom is "free", while Varanus is C-store...
KDF Varanus Fleet Support, T5-L50. Tier 3 fleet shipyard. RR Fleet Ha'Nom, T5-L50, Tier 5 fleet shipyard.
My KDF Orion Sci is stuck in a Vo'Quv because I'm not in the mood to pay 2000-ish Zen to get her a recon science vessel, while my RR Rommie is already looking into the Ha'Nom when I get him up to 50, as a "free" RSV in a Rommie Skin... :P
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Admiral Ship is an Admiral Ship. The only difference, as already pointed out, is a Vice Admiral Ship costs Zen and has a special Console, usually only useable on that ship.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Varanus_Support_Vessel
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Ha%27nom_Guardian_Warbird
Both ships are very similar. The Romulan ship is free and has a battle cloak and is more tactically based. Also the Ha'nom can use tier 1-4 Romulan Warbird Consoles. The only real advantage the Varanus has is it comes with its own unique console and +1 turn rate.
Only real difference between the level 40 ships and the level 50 c-store ships is only 8 consoles. Additionally, there is a Fleet Version of the Ha'nom (which by the FSMs costs about the same as an average C-store ship.)
There is a fleet version of the Ha'nom which is a 10 console lvl 50 ship.
no, there is a fleet version of said ship...problem for you is solved, get 4 fleet ship modules and buy that thing.
if you don't accept this ship as a viable sci ship for your character then that is not cryptics fault.
the only dumb thing about it is, that it is only available if you have a t5 shipyard. considering that this is the only sci vessel option as far as i can see, it really makes it a little hard to get one.
also, but thats unrelated, why do people feel forced to fly a sci ship with their sci captain? in my opinion that is not a very strong combo to start with.
hopefully the scimitar sci version will bring some extra sci options into the table.
Then there are the T'Varo and Dhelan that are half sci.
Finally, I think there will be a sci version of the scimitar carrier, coming up from the Scimitar Bundle.
but yeah, I think that KDF and Roms should have more options in choosing their ships.
at least as far as concerns the look.
FED have dozen of ships to choice from.
The Vo'Quv, though having some heavy SCI traits, is actually quite limited in what it can potentially do with them. The reason being is the turn rate of 5. A number of SCI abilities have narrow arcs, to include the nasty Subnucleonic Beam. To use those, the player has to do alot of positioning and preplanning to land narrow arc abilities, most esp. in PVP. The Kar'Fi will use the bulk of those SCI slots for survivability since it only has a ENG Lt station. Not doing so will make the Kar'Fi user highly vulnerable. I've usually had room for only 1 offensive SCI ability on a Kar'Fi build, becuase you MUST devote the basics like Hazard Emitters, Polarize Hull, Transfer Shield Strength, and Science Team if you can. Because ENG-wise, you'll probably only have Emergency Power to Shields 1 and 2, and that's it.
If you're a paying customer - I know that's not everyone in this case - then the reasonable expectation is satisfaction for your money now, not at some indeterminate point in the future.
Patience may be a virtue and quite admirable in many domains but not something one should expect in copious amounts from customers. Because if you do then most of them will go and become someone else's customers.
I wouldn't scream that the sky is falling over this one but I am disappointed. There really is only one Romulan science vessel. The fleet version requires a level 5 sb and the mirror version is one of the more expensive on the exchange.