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  • dylanggctdylanggct Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    One of the Tier 5 ground weapons for the Romulan Rep tree is a plasma-flamethrower. I can't help but feel that may be just as painful and horrible a death (if not moreso) as thalaron radiation. Omega rep lets you carve chunks out of your opponent in the same manner as the Borg, with added damage if you use a Borg tractor-beam with it. You can launch singularities, subspace-distorting (tricobalts) and temporally unstable torpedoes at your targets. You could already wipe out an entire planet with the armaments of your vessel. The Thalaron weapon is just more honest and efficient about it's purpose.

    Yes, however unlike Thalaron weapons, the other stuff is not Universally Banned by both the Federation and KDF, which is made clear IN GAME through cryptic written story.

    Look I get its a game and that there are a lot of discrepancies in STO regarding what would and would not be in the Shows/books/Movies. So I refer you back to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s3RNsZvdYZQ#t=102s
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." ~Spock

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  • edtheheroedthehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    otowi wrote: »
    No. You are wrong. Offcourse we want them to fix bugs, but we also want new ships.

    Bug fixes are important to be sure, but it should not come at a heavy cost such as delaying things that has been promised as the Scimitar, or the new summer event.

    Some want them only to do bug fixes, but most I would say wants a balance between bug fixes and new content...

    I wouldn't exactly agree. Just by reading through a few pages of these forums it's fairly apparent that the frequency of bug fix requests and complaints, as well as fixing old features that don't work as they should (i.e. costumes, etc.) outweigh most topics related to unreleased or future content. Doesn't make much sense to want more new stuff when the existing stuff doesn't work, because the new stuff will probably not work right either (case in point: LoR). Many of those asking for new content are the ones later complaining because said content was released with bugs.

    misterde3 wrote: »
    And now the obvious:
    THE PEOPLE WHO MAKE SHIPS DON'T FIX BUGS.

    Just like you don't go to your mechanic to help you with your income taxes (unless you're very brave and foolish) the people who model ships don't make sound effects, the environment artists don't manage ship stats...do you get the idea?

    *facepalm*

    That might be true, but who do you think codes those ships, sounds, environments into the game? (Answer: programmers, a.k.a. devs).
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  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's...it's...beautiful.

    Gimme.
    You're just a machine. And machines can be broken.
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  • edtheheroedthehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dylanggct wrote: »
    Am I the only one that sees a problem with Thalaron weapons being used by the Romulan Republic? Its one thing when its the Tal'Shiar or Remen Rebels. I mean isn't there a universal ban on them? I'm fairly sure that neither the Federation or KDF would ally themselves with someone actively using weapons that are capable of wiping out the population of entire solar systems with a single ship. I get its a game and I get wanting to put the ship in the game, but it shouldn't have Thalaron weapons. It just brakes to many rules in the Star Trek Universe imo.

    Not that i'm surprised... Anyways my two cents.
    angrytarg wrote: »
    Look at the game and tell me that THIS is what you think breaks the immersion? XD

    It's one of many things, but each time it's more and more blatant. It has become ridiculous, really. Anyone who thinks differently is just playing a space combat game, not Star Trek. What's next, Federation-sanctioned genetic augments? "Hey, let people play Khan, because it's cool and they will pay money for it". :rolleyes:
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  • dylanggctdylanggct Member Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    edthehero wrote: »
    It's one of many things, but each time it's more and more blatant. It has become ridiculous, really. Anyone who thinks differently is just playing a space combat game, not Star Trek. What's next, Federation-sanctioned genetic augments? "Hey, let people play Khan, because it's cool and they will pay money for it". :rolleyes:

    Perhaps they just need to rename the game? Perhaps something like "Sort-of-Kind-of-but-not-Really-Star Trek online?" :D
    "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few or the one." ~Spock

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  • edtheheroedthehero Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dylanggct wrote: »
    Perhaps they just need to rename the game? Perhaps something like "Sort-of-Kind-of-but-not-Really-Star Trek online?" :D

    LOL. I guess the "?sh" suffix would go a long way here.

    Star Trek-ish

    Scimitar-ish

    Galaxy Dreadnought-ish

    Vice Admiral-ish (or Lt. General-ish, Sub-Admiral-ish, your choice)

    KDF-ish

    Romulan-ish ish ish!!

    etc., etc.

    or just keep it simple and change every "Star Trek" to "Zen". :D
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  • assimilatedktarassimilatedktar Member Posts: 1,708 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    I think what dylanggct was adressing was not so much about immersion but about consistency in the game itself.
    Your character goes after Obisek because of the Thalaron weapons and also disagrees with their use...only to get the option to fly a mobile Thalaron gun him/herself.

    Also, as I recall the RR was constructed as "good Romulans" as opposed to the TalShiar because they don't use the same methods...like Thalaron Weapons in "Mind Game" where you're forced to help build and test these weapons.
    And now you can have your very own starship armed with the ST equivalent of neutron/chemical weapons.

    :confused:

    There should be an accolade for that. Fly a Scimitar with all 3 special consoles, equipped with all 6 Borg set pieces. "Maximum Hipocrisy".:D
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  • zdfx19zdfx19 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I accidentally got this post in another thread too so forgive me. We have a few facts and some questions. I noted the ship displayed 52,000 hull on the info panel for that player. That's way more than I anticipated. I thought it turned a little better than an Oddy or a D'D unlike some others but that might have something to do with the set bonus (2) as we saw the special weapon (set 3) in action. The wings do fold up and out for special weapon firing. The special weapon reminded me of a shotgun blast in that it seemed short range and a very wide cone with a kind of dinky looking green graphics effect (particularly dinky with the awesome wing folding.)

    I can?t tell for sure if it has one or two hangars? Based on the number of drone ships I want to say one but there was a hiccup there in the launching that made me wonder. It may just be a battle or escort carrier rather than a full carrier.

    And good lord, it has a nearly 16K secondary shield usable for a full 45 seconds. I wonder what the cool down is? Three minutes would be err... interesting and lead to some tears.

    Cloaked Barrage has a 1.2 second placate associated with it. Minus 50 weapons power after use. Now whats the cool down there? A full 15 seconds of firing time. It's interesting for a "cloaked alpha" or stealth kill. If its BOFF layout is similar to an escort then there is huge tear potential. I mean if you thought being killed by invisible Borg torps was bad, how about being killed by players you literally never see?

    I am not sure how useful the singularity distributor is. Shields while cloaked may let you not worry over a minefield or something and nerf some science powers but otherwise?

    Honestly, I don't know how I feel about the ship right now. It's way more a sneaky battleship with a hangar bay than the carrier many expected based on the old NPC ship. As such I am thinking it has a 5 BOFF layout.
  • shpoksshpoks Member Posts: 6,967 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Nah, my credit card is fine where it is. I'm not about to waste 50$ on the ugliest ship in the history of Trek. Besides, I love my T'Varo too much anyway. :)

    I'm happy for the people that wanted it though, and that the Romulan faction is getting the flagship 3-pack that was missing.
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  • marikaoniki1marikaoniki1 Member Posts: 85 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dylanggct wrote: »
    Yes, however unlike Thalaron weapons, the other stuff is not Universally Banned by both the Federation and KDF, which is made clear IN GAME through cryptic written story.

    Look I get its a game and that there are a lot of discrepancies in STO regarding what would and would not be in the Shows/books/Movies. So I refer you back to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=s3RNsZvdYZQ#t=102s

    Well, ****. I actually meant to quote the post above you XD But in any case, while both the Feds and the Klingon Empire may have total bans on Thalaron weaponry, it's not the same for the Romulans. Sure, D'Tan himself may hate them, but they've obviously become a mainstay of the Romulan forces (going by space AND ground missions involving Scimitars and Romulans, respectively), though I imagine the Thalaron weapon has been scaled back so as to not allow any random Commander to wipe out a planet on a whim. I'm betting a large number of the Republic's military are fully willing to deploy such weapons, especially when enemies like the Borg and Iconians are roaming about. Sure, their allies aren't gonna be HAPPY about it, but when you're faced with enemies that won't stop until everyone is dead or conquered, you probably can't afford to be picky about the methods they use. I imagine Thalaron weapons would be highly effective against the Borg, considering the similarity of the effect compared to warp-core coolant.
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    So much hating(jealousy?) for such a Beautiful ship. My only MAJOR PROBLEM!!: I WANT NOW!!!!:eek::D:P

    I can only pray that the stats are on the OP side - I really want to see space maps literally FILLED with the ship.

    I hope she out sells the king of sales so far - the Oddy - she certainly deserves it from what I have seen so far!

    Long Live the Scimitar!!
  • kaltoumkaltoum Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    So much hating(jealousy?) for such a Beautiful ship. My only MAJOR PROBLEM!!: I WANT NOW!!!!:eek::D:P

    I can only pray that the stats are on the OP side - I really want to see space maps literally FILLED with the ship.

    I hope she out sells the king of sales so far - the Oddy - she certainly deserves it from what I have seen so far!

    Long Live the Scimitar!!

    Pardon sir that not everyone is a sheep and standing in line with credit card in hand. Some of us a are still capable of rational thinking in times when MMOS are nothing more than slot machines.
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  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    For those of you that do not like or care for Cryptic's version of Star Trek as portrayed in Cryptics Star Trek Online, may I suggest that you all get together and make your very own Star Trek game where you can choose, decide and dictate what is "Trek" and what isn't "Trek". Seriously, get some sort of Kickstarter campaign together to make your very own version of "Trek" into a reality. There has to be some coders and business school grads among you that can get together to come up with a successful business plan to make, market and support your very own take on the Star Trek universe.

    In the meantime, I'm going to be enjoying another option that the Cryptic devs will soon be providing players in STO - the Scimitar class 3-pack. :D
  • angarus1angarus1 Member Posts: 684 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    What is this 'credit card' you speak of? :)
  • kiloacekiloace Member Posts: 488 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Is there gonna be a free version accompanied by a mission? Huh? GUYS?! :rolleyes:


    Pretty much the epitome of pay2win. The last proof that Perfect World has no soul.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    kaltoum wrote: »
    Pardon sir that not everyone is a sheep and standing in line with credit card in hand. Some of us a are still capable of rational thinking in times when MMOS are nothing more than slot machines.

    Star Trek Online is an MMO which is a form of entertainment just as the slot machines are but a slot machine requires you to put money into it. Star Trek Online, since going Free to Play does not require you to spend 1 cent to enjoy the entertainment provided. Any rational thinking sane human being would understand the facts and realities of that. ;)

    You don't have to whip out the credit card or bank account access to enjoy EVERYTHING available in Star Trek Online. Yeah, you might have to spend some time in game gathering the resources that allow you to buy stuff in the C-Store using Zen, but you don't have to give Cryptic or PWE 1 cent from your pocket. Any rational thinking sane human being would understand the facts and realities of that. ;)

    If you want entertainment that you don't have to spend time or money on, the most readily available entertainment is twiddling your thumbs. Everything else you have to spend time or money on. ;)
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If you are able to kill the entire enemy team with the thaleron blast a booming Unreal Tournament voice should thunder out 'GODLIKE!' and you should be ablr to unlock a golden bling skin!
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  • mikearoomikearoo Member Posts: 342 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If you are able to kill the entire enemy team with the thaleron blast a booming Unreal Tournament voice should thunder out 'GODLIKE!' and you should be ablr to unlock a golden bling skin!

    M-M-M-M-MONSTER KILL!!!...

    seriously though, I love a lot of starfleets designs, I like a few of the kdf designs, but so far, the only romulan ship I could stand looking at was the valdore design. I really haven't been all that impressed (I know i'm weird) with the other romulan ships.

    The Scimitar was something I was hoping to see though! Time to roll a couple more characters! :)
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    kaltoum wrote: »
    Pardon sir that not everyone is a sheep and standing in line with credit card in hand. Some of us a are still capable of rational thinking in times when MMOS are nothing more than slot machines.

    What you in your infinite wisdom fail to understand is that the people pulling out their credit cards - KEEP THIS GAME GOING - if not - devs don't get paid - electricity bills don't get paid - there are no more content added and yes PWE does not get paid either.

    So yes without us "sheep" Star Trek Online would go OFFLINE - Permenantly!!
  • sarek93sarek93 Member Posts: 274 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Hmmmm... I don't care about just how beautiful it looks. The consoles give it (based on the leaked images I've seen around the forums):

    a) Secondary shields
    b) Shields while cloaked (aka fixes the biggest issue with cloaking in the middle of battle)
    c) Ability to fire energy weapons while cloaked
    d) Turn rate boost
    e) Thalaron weapon

    This is going to make PvP very interesting... say hello to the new Scimitar PvP world where players cloak, sneak up on unsuspecting prey, fire off energy weapons, drop out of cloak, fire torps, go back to cloak without risking any health because their shields are still up... yup, nothing OP about that at all.

    Note: I am not a focus tester and this is based solely on the images of what the consoles do. I'm just wildly speculating about what this will look like.
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  • tsf00181tsf00181 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If cryptic wants my credit card again, they can release an endgame KDF ship.

    I've cut them off unit I see that. I've been wanting to go gold again to just to get the perks on my last 6 alts also, but I'm not going to do it until I see that KDF ship.
  • jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    So... who is gonna win, a Schimatar that's gonna park and shoot and hangar spam, vs a vesta that's gonna park and perfect shield and fighter spam?

    I am preparing Cryptic to say that the thalalon will go through even the strongest shield. Then the whole universe will implode simply due to the contradiction.
  • erraberrab Member Posts: 1,434 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Cryptic has 2 words for ya..... Cha Ching!
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  • kaltoumkaltoum Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    What you in your infinite wisdom fail to understand is that the people pulling out their credit cards - KEEP THIS GAME GOING - if not - devs don't get paid - electricity bills don't get paid - there are no more content added and yes PWE does not get paid either.

    So yes without us "sheep" Star Trek Online would go OFFLINE - Permenantly!!

    I am a subscriber. So you don't have to tell me that. But if you think only people like you who go all banana and whip out their credit cards the moment a shiny ship is added to the cash shop are responsible for keeping the game going then no i won't agree.

    My comment has more to do with your attitude towards those who aren't that excited about it. calling them jealous and haters is just absurd. GOD forbid not everyone is eager to throw away their hard earned money on pixels.
    pyryck wrote: »
    Star Trek Online is an MMO which is a form of entertainment just as the slot machines are but a slot machine requires you to put money into it. Star Trek Online, since going Free to Play does not require you to spend 1 cent to enjoy the entertainment provided. Any rational thinking sane human being would understand the facts and realities of that. ;)

    You don't have to whip out the credit card or bank account access to enjoy EVERYTHING available in Star Trek Online. Yeah, you might have to spend some time in game gathering the resources that allow you to buy stuff in the C-Store using Zen, but you don't have to give Cryptic or PWE 1 cent from your pocket. Any rational thinking sane human being would understand the facts and realities of that. ;)

    If you want entertainment that you don't have to spend time or money on, the most readily available entertainment is twiddling your thumbs. Everything else you have to spend time or money on. ;)

    Yeah good old PR talk..'everything is available in game..you just have to grind for dili to buy whatever you desire'. I guess we have different understanding of term 'entertainment'. I find no joy in zombie like dilithium grind so i stay away from it. I enjoy playing alts and i pay my monthly sub to support the game. So i am already spending enough time and money on this game.
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  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    Bah! That's all I have to say about these Romulan trinkets. I have ultimately decided not to pursue creating a Romulan, at least not at this time. I have no interest in Romulan ships, especially not something as ridiculous as the Scimitar.

    What concerns me more is the rumor that KDF will not be getting news ships anytime soon, despite our need for more, especially in the Escort and Science Ship categories.

    KDF has over TWICE as many ships as the romulans.. You can wait...
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  • wufangchuwufangchu Member Posts: 778 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    angrytarg wrote: »
    The Scimitar was seen having Thalaron weapons and you get them. It doesn't matter wether this makes sense or not :D The whole story of STO doesn't make much sense, it's just a staging ground for flying Trek or mildly Trek themed or Mass Effect themed ships and use weapons to shoot Borg or other cardboard enemies ;) Don't think too much about it, you just note how much wasted potential this game once had.

    Now THERE are a couple of beutiful ships: Normandy and Normandy II..
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  • oldkhemaraaoldkhemaraa Member Posts: 1,039 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Oh boy.. For The Record.
    STO went free to play because it was a substandard poorly put together MMO that was rushed through development and launched in a majorly unfinished state because the studio was going to loose its rights to the game if they didn't have it realeased and playable by a specific date. STudio has been playing catch up ever since. The studios corporate lords and master want profits so they can pay thier stock holders thier divedends. (whom by the way is who the game really benifits...NOT the players.. all we are is a revenue stream.. deal with it)

    F2P allowed the studio to generate more revenue in the short term to hopefully generate more deveopment dolloars so they could improve the game... And to a certain extent they have done so. But more time, effort and money are spent on making new shiney bits they can get folks to pull thier CC out for. And Bug's, as long as thier not game breakers typically get ignored. Theres a number of bugs we see KDF side that have been there since launch over three years ago. Mostly minor stuff... but they've never been fixed.. If Cryptic were Blizzard.. they would have been fixed long ago. F2P with shiney bits for sale is a win for the investors.. it is not always a win for the players.

    Back to the subject at hand.. The Rommie players get thier Scim. and there will be much spending of money. Might even trigger some purchases of the Rom fat pack. It should definatly do better then the KDF Bortas pack which did poorly because it was the WRONG ship at the WRONG time for the faction. And it has bugs.. Go to the bridge and you get an idea of where the bridge is placed on the ship.. now go look at the ship model and tell me if you see the bridge where it would be from the inside view... Bug? You bet your bon bons its a bug.. and not fixed.. because its not a game breaker.. Yet I've heard Dev's complain about how the ship didn't sell well... Maybe if the finished product had been a little more fedelitous to thier own art work... ((fyi viewed from the bridge, the ships bridge appears to sit on top of the hull just aft of where the boom/neck connects... on the model its self theres nothing there but smooth hull))

    Happy for the players that choose to get the Scim.. lovely looking model and apparently quite capable. But it doesn't make the free to play MMO financial model "Da Kind". And I hope thats theres no major bugs in the silly thing.
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    Right. All that contributed to why the game wasn't making enough money to stay afloat on subscriptions and was forced to switch to F2P.

    What i posted in the OP was pure visual FACT - now some "Rumors" I have heard:

    The Scimitar will have several new Bridges?

    She will have several "unique" rooms on the ship - including a "dungeon" like room for prisoners?

    She will be the most highly detailed ship to date - with lots of weapon hard points clearly visible.

    Some people who know ship stats and mechanics like the back of their hand and have made visual inspections of the video(such) as DDS and a few other well known PvP players have guestimated her base turn between 8-10 !!:) with boosts on the video putting her in the 20-30 range.

    Hull is likely to be in the high 40's at least - although is shows 52k in the vid - it's hard to say how much points were in strutural integraty since the player was showing as a lvl 20 toon. I suppose it possible that was the base Hull of 52k and there were no points boosting it:D

    The more i hear the better It gets!! ME WANT NOW!!:P
  • rustiswordzrustiswordz Member Posts: 824 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If people want to spend 50 $??? Whatever. Let them stop trying to force your miserys onto thers just because oh its overpowered oh its too big oh its too ugleee.

    Each to their own.
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