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IDEA: STF Qualifying Tutorials

johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Reputation System
Hi All
I've noticed a lot of players in Elite STF's-

A. Having underpowered ships
B. Having no understanding of mission goals

The only solution I've been able to think of is having a simulation or Holodeck based "primer" or "Qualifier" that lets you play an STF with full tool tips, and measures your DPS. Upon completion, your ship / load out becomes "MACO / OMEGA Certified" and you are given a token that allows you to play Elite STF's. Being VA is not enough to successfully compete and complete an STF or an elite STF, and I understand we were all new once to these, but wouldn't it have been great to get a little training and confidence before stepping into it? I refuse to believe the solution is stay out of PUGs.

For your consideration

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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    They just need to make Elite STF's unavailable until a player gets the accolades for completeing and getting the optionals on Normal.
  • johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    They just need to make Elite STF's unavailable until a player gets the accolades for completeing and getting the optionals on Normal.

    That works, but if a player changes his load out or ship after the accolade they should need to do it again...I guess an issue would be how instrumental they were in securing the optional, i.e. 4 great squadmates and one idle / AFK could ruin the balance. That's why I'm fond of the DPS measuring.
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  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    A lot of players think they truly are elite, but are terrible. If they get carried constantly, somehow they actually think they did all the work. Parsing shows otherwise of course
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  • johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nicha0 wrote: »
    A lot of players think they truly are elite, but are terrible. If they get carried constantly, somehow they actually think they did all the work. Parsing shows otherwise of course

    This. Parsing should be built into the game, and a performance review / stats given after each event.
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  • wolfpack12cwolfpack12c Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    No. No! Nin! Nis! Niee! Nik! Nos! Mosf! Lond! And nitch!

    I can't say it any other way. It's an open game if your lvl 50 then you should be able to do it. This whole you have to do this this and that is what's wrong with the game already. I hate going into a game with people that don't know how to do an ESTF but I don't complain about it. I try to advise them help them or just give them advice on how to do something in game and if they listen then its cool if not then what ever. Also different team play ESTF's different ways. I don't do the 10% rule it is kills run time. My team never guards the kang we kill out own downs with 2-1-2 on the 3 sides. So the whole "oh you don't know how to do it" doesn't work. Also I've tested ESTF in all free RA ships or Mirror ships with mk11 or lower rare or lower gear with my fleet and you can still role an ESTF with 5 min left on the clock. Heck we even did it with ramble boats before all cruisers and managed to do it with optionals. So don't go crying saying something that is broken is damaged and is unfair when it isn't
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  • johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I see your point, but you've said you're on a team, and I was more concerned with PUGs. I was in a pug yesterday with 2 German speaking players, and explaining anything was out of the question. Team and Fleet STF's should and would be team discretion tactics.
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  • starsvoidstarsvoid Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I have an accompanying idea.

    How about Cryptic puts in some sort of bar where if a player ragequits an STF or starts chat-abusing another player for being "undergeared" or uneducated on whatever strat the first player has decided to follow - instead of educating or helping that player - they are banned from ESTF's for a weeK?



    This solution makes as much sense as yours. Fortunately, Cryptic will implement neither.
    Learn how to be a leader, a real captain, an educator. Or if you don't have the fortitude to actually help improve the players of STO, don't whine to Cryptic - or the forums - about it.
  • johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    starsvoid wrote: »
    I have an accompanying idea.

    How about Cryptic puts in some sort of bar where if a player ragequits an STF or starts chat-abusing another player for being "undergeared" or uneducated on whatever strat the first player has decided to follow - instead of educating or helping that player - they are banned from ESTF's for a weeK?



    This solution makes as much sense as yours. Fortunately, Cryptic will implement neither.
    Learn how to be a leader, a real captain, an educator. Or if you don't have the fortitude to actually help improve the players of STO, don't whine to Cryptic - or the forums - about it.

    Good Idea, although hard to prove a rage quit. Any chat abusing should also always be reported. My idea would at least allow players to educate themselves within the game to be better players without suffering from abusive antics from those less mature, who would belittle them for not being prepared for something that the game does not prepare you for.
    Advice offered, however friendly is not always received as well. Language barriers exist as well. I'm happy to give and receive constructive criticism, help and advice during STF's, but once the shooting starts and you're committed, there's only so much you can do.
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  • starsvoidstarsvoid Member Posts: 161 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    johnny1051 wrote: »
    My idea would at least allow players to educate themselves within the game to be better players without suffering from abusive antics from those less mature, who would belittle them for not being prepared for something that the game does not prepare you for.

    Again, 90% of it is the strat followed... and there are multiple strats for each ESTF. Which player-created strat should Cryptic suggest?

    Even gating ESTF's behind NSTF optionals regardless of strat employed is nonsensical. For instance, ISN can be easily taken with optional with a sci ship or dps ship dedicated to control/destruction of the emerging nanite probes from the gateway - a tactic that that same "average" sci or dps ship could not effectively employ in ISE, simply because the borg are 5 levels higher and probes become spheres. It can be successful with certain builds still, true, but not the average one. Similar for CSN/CSE and KSN/KSE. Then you're back to the beginning except all you've done is put frustration for players going into ESTF's - especially old players with new toons.
  • johnny1051johnny1051 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Strategy selection for a tutorial could come from a community vote, but they shouldn't be any penalties for accomplishment using any strategy that works. As long as the team entering agrees on a strategy, as they do (should) now. Performance data gained from the tutorial would let you know what your ship is best at doing, and where any tweaks could be made.
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  • wolf3130wolf3130 Member Posts: 69 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    i myself fly as an engi i dont have the best equipment on my ship but i do just fine with most of the teams i fly with and most stf's although i have to agree some are easyer then others do to the build i have but im not gona go spend 100's of real life dollors and millions in ec or dilli just to make those so called elitests happy if that was the case then what would be the point in playing at all the really funny thing is i have seen many of them so called elitests make mistakes just as easly as any other pug even i make mistakes some times and the 10% rule is a crock estf's can be completed with the bonus with out worrying about getting your target to 10% ok maybe not all but some tbh i find this post insulting and degrading to the entire sto community i mean realy why not just take out the pug option all together make people run stf's strickly with there fleet members see how far ya get then
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