Only thing I don't like about the Tholians is the disruption torpedo spam, and the fact that my thermionic torp launcher seems to be 10% as effective as theirs...it seems like every fleet action or red alert I get in with the Tholians is just them spamming torp spread 3 every 5 seconds with those damn torpedoes.
That having been said I do like them in game as they are one of the few enemy groups left that you can't rip through like tissue paper. Most of the other enemy NPCs in this game are a complete joke.
OK guys the title of this is just an expression saying that the Tholians are the most annoying enemies look all they do is the same god damn thing again and again heres an example:
I'm guessing English isn't your first language. You might want to reconsider your use of the highlighted expression in the future.
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OK guys the title of this is just an expression saying that the Tholians are the most annoying enemies look all they do is the same god damn thing again and again heres an example:
1st they shoot you
2nd they starting to remove your weapons
3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing
4rth now they start putting these caging spam
And they restart the same cycle over and over.
Now I am trying to target the little nodes on the side to get out but you know what I am clicking a lot and it does nothing on them, I look at my weapon power fully charged but still my weapons wont work this issue needs to be fixed.
The Tholians are a challenging enemy in their own way...
But then again, isn't every enemy?
The Borg use overpowered weapons, shield neutralizers, and adapt to weapon types in ground combat. Federation and Terran ships LOVE tractor beams and TBR, and their phasers occasionally shut down subsystems.
The Fel'khri have battle cloak and Tric torpedoes that knock you around like a pinball
The truth is that there are strengths and weaknesses for every enemy. If you want to keep your weapons online, use weapon batteries, and the tholian web nodes are weak enough that TBR, photonic shockwave, or a point defense system can easily decimate the orb weaver's web.
You still don't like the tholians? GET OVER IT!
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Tholians aren't a challenge unless you actually manage to get into the Tholian Red Alert, and even then only because you decided to or accidentally pull every single one of them on to yourself. Tholians I find are not hard, intimidating, or even a menacing threat. At best they are just a giant pest, with their weapon shutdowns and that web of theirs, which is about the only thing they got in their arsenal to even slow players down.
Save your FAWs, Tractor Repulsors, for webs and conserve [wcap]/wep batteries for shutdowns. Speaking of which, Red Matter Capacitor still doesn't work on bringing up wep systems anymore, and last I checked (could be just me not noticing) but it doesn't bring shields back up anymore either.
OK guys the title of this is just an expression saying that the Tholians are the most annoying enemies look all they do is the same god damn thing again and again heres an example:
1st they shoot you
2nd they starting to remove your weapons
3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing
4rth now they start putting these caging spam
And they restart the same cycle over and over.
Now I am trying to target the little nodes on the side to get out but you know what I am clicking a lot and it does nothing on them, I look at my weapon power fully charged but still my weapons wont work this issue needs to be fixed.
so let me get this right ....if the game is a little harder and you cant pew pew through something it should be removed ?.......no..... you are dismissed
never really had an issue with Tholians, they just require a different strategy when dealing with them, you know what to expect when facing them, so deal with it. You expect Birds of Prey to cloak when they are getting beat on, right? its all part of that factions strategy. Now the Elachi...those are annoying...really avoid dealing with them as much as possible.
MikroSopht's 'Back Yard Tin-Can Shoot Simulator' might be a better option for those who aren't really interested in the NPC's actually putting up a fight. Personally, I want the PvE side of the game to involve more than just 'how quick can I kill these guys?'
Now...
"1st they shoot you"
Yes. For this reason we call them 'enemies' and is a common mechanic used in many games.
"2nd they starting to remove your weapons"
Yes. This is usually the result of one of two things: One is called 'Science', the other is a 'Special Weapon Bonus Effect'. None of the NPCs have posted on the forums yet about how our abilities and weapon procs affect them, but when that day comes, I fully expect you to be first in line to defend their position.
"3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing"
Yes. It needs buffing so that it can actually hurt you. So I guess I agree with you there.
"4rth now they start putting these caging spam"
Yes. This is very easy to nullify using a variety of means available to all captain types in all types of ship. It is also part of what differentiates them from other enemies you may encounter. Every race you encounter in the game has a different one. Borg have one. Klingons have one. Mirror Universe have one. Romulans Have one. Elachi have one. Gorn have one. Nausicaans have one. Breen have one. Hirogen have one. In fact, most Enemy NPCs in most games have one.
"And they restart the same cycle over and over."
Yes, yes they do. Just like you do too, when you kill things.
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
MikroSopht's 'Back Yard Tin-Can Shoot Simulator' might be a better option for those who aren't really interested in the NPC's actually putting up a fight. Personally, I want the PvE side of the game to involve more than just 'how quick can I kill these guys?'
Now...
"1st they shoot you"
Yes. For this reason we call them 'enemies' and is a common mechanic used in many games.
"2nd they starting to remove your weapons"
Yes. This is usually the result of one of two things: One is called 'Science', the other is a 'Special Weapon Bonus Effect'. None of the NPCs have posted on the forums yet about how our abilities and weapon procs affect them, but when that day comes, I fully expect you to be first in line to defend their position.
"3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing"
Yes. It needs buffing so that it can actually hurt you. So I guess I agree with you there.
"4rth now they start putting these caging spam"
Yes. This is very easy to nullify using a variety of means available to all captain types in all types of ship. It is also part of what differentiates them from other enemies you may encounter. Every race you encounter in the game has a different one. Borg have one. Klingons have one. Mirror Universe have one. Romulans Have one. Elachi have one. Gorn have one. Nausicaans have one. Breen have one. Hirogen have one. In fact, most Enemy NPCs in most games have one.
"And they restart the same cycle over and over."
Yes, yes they do. Just like you do too, when you kill things.
Tholians shutting down weapons, problem easily solved, it's called emergency power to weapons
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
They got what i am lacking. Even with my science skills cranked up and a gazillion science consoles AND emergency power to aux AND that romulan reputation T5 skill my science powers are merely kids play compared to what they do.
they are the anti-science faction. While my tachyon beam is countered by some points in power insulators provided by the odd piece of gear that just happens to have it, cranking power insulators to the max won't save you from the tholians.
Its like npcs use a different set of science skills because someone in charge figured the other set, the one used by that odd class in blue, thats borked.:D
Tholian proc is lol. Funny how our phaser proc doesn't even compare and they're supposed to do the same thing.
I totally agree.
However, this thread's OP is evidence of what would most likely flood the forums if our buffs, debuffs, abilities and procs did the same stuff. Nothing should be OP and nothing should UP, but since we all seem to be quite happy to have '5 minute cure' builds, the only chance the NPC's have is to be buffed to the eyeballs. I think sometimes there is a serious lack of objectivity about a great many elements from a large number of the players of this game, and I am not excluded.
*Disclaimer - this is not a gripe against 5 minute cure builds. The state of the game is the state of the game.*
"So my fun is wrong?"
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
OK guys the title of this is just an expression saying that the Tholians are the most annoying enemies look all they do is the same god damn thing again and again heres an example:
1st they shoot you
2nd they starting to remove your weapons
3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing
4rth now they start putting these caging spam
And they restart the same cycle over and over.
Now I am trying to target the little nodes on the side to get out but you know what I am clicking a lot and it does nothing on them, I look at my weapon power fully charged but still my weapons wont work this issue needs to be fixed.
See, all I see is "Whaaa. Whaaaa. An enemy that doesnt let me just blow them away with my 1337 Dhc's!".
Yes. For this reason we call them 'enemies' and is a common mechanic used in many games.
"2nd they starting to remove your weapons"
Yes. This is usually the result of one of two things: One is called 'Science', the other is a 'Special Weapon Bonus Effect'. None of the NPCs have posted on the forums yet about how our abilities and weapon procs affect them, but when that day comes, I fully expect you to be first in line to defend their position.
"3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing"
Yes. It needs buffing so that it can actually hurt you. So I guess I agree with you there.
"4rth now they start putting these caging spam"
Yes. This is very easy to nullify using a variety of means available to all captain types in all types of ship. It is also part of what differentiates them from other enemies you may encounter. Every race you encounter in the game has a different one. Borg have one. Klingons have one. Mirror Universe have one. Romulans Have one. Elachi have one. Gorn have one. Nausicaans have one. Breen have one. Hirogen have one. In fact, most Enemy NPCs in most games have one.
"And they restart the same cycle over and over."
Yes, yes they do. Just like you do too, when you kill things.
Give this guy a medal. DO IT. DO IT NAO!!!!
(and then get to d choppa after ;P)
It is said the best weapon is one that is never fired. I disagree. The best weapon is one you only have to fire... once.
Yes. This is usually the result of one of two things: One is called 'Science', the other is a 'Special Weapon Bonus Effect'. None of the NPCs have posted on the forums yet about how our abilities and weapon procs affect them, but when that day comes, I fully expect you to be first in line to defend their position.
I do remember a NPC Mogai Warbird making posts on this forum a while back complaining about how feds would invade there territory and destroy them over and over, i cant find the post atm tho
I find the AI thinks rather 2 dimensional. I fly high and I fly low and I seem to avoid most of their webs. Tho, as soon as I see a web I target its nodes to release my trapped team member. Love it when I get trapped inside a web with a target, I still have something to shoot at till the web goes away.
EDIT: I got a Sonic Antiproton High Density Beam Rifle Mk XII [CrtH] [Sonic]. Tracks with the Tholian doing constant damage as it skitters around, so all I go to do is hold down the fire button and wave in the basic direction of the Tholian. They Die. I Keep it as a secondary weapon just to hot swap for them. It came out of a blue box prize for completing a medium mission on Nukura Prime. They can be bought on the Exchange too.
Also, warp cores just added a new way to get a free single system repair: Search for [WCap] under warp cores. Right now, you can expect to spend a few million for one, but it's coming down pretty rapidly and should stabilize in the next couple weeks.
I dunno about that it still costs 74 mil just to buy a temporal destroyer and 94 mil to buy a temporal science vessel.
I dunno about that it still costs 74 mil just to buy a temporal destroyer and 94 mil to buy a temporal science vessel.
Temporal destroyers aren't having fleet vendors gut demand. By the time I'd posted that, the price of mk xi purple warp cores had dropped by 60%, and right now it's less than half what it was then, and nobody even has the top tier unlocked in their mines yet.
At the moment Tholians are seriously underrated. They only pop up in 1 normal mission: Temporal Ambassador. And guess what? NO ground combat and the space combat is a joke since you can't die, have Mk XII Very Rare stuff AND get help from a ship from the future, which oneshots a Tarantula.
I'd say: MORE Tholians. Give them a few missions of their own. Let them do stuff on a stranded Monarch-class for example (should satisfy the lovers of that ship). They deserve it.
OK guys the title of this is just an expression saying that the Tholians are the most annoying enemies look all they do is the same god damn thing again and again heres an example:
1st they shoot you
2nd they starting to remove your weapons
3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing
4rth now they start putting these caging spam
And they restart the same cycle over and over.
Now I am trying to target the little nodes on the side to get out but you know what I am clicking a lot and it does nothing on them, I look at my weapon power fully charged but still my weapons wont work this issue needs to be fixed.
1. everyone shoots at you, so does this mean you also hate:
klingons, romulans, cardassians, the true way, the dominion, the breen, the undine, the mirror forces, the borg, the iconians, the elachi, and every random unexplored sector species that cryptic throws at you
2. never encountered this glitch, so....full of it
3. what electric charges? unless you have the original crystalline nanofiber set....full of it
4. the tholian webs only come from orb weavers and stasis drones...so.......full of it
as for your first statement of "most annoying enemies" have you even gone up against the latest AI for the borg spheres; those things run run run the flake away from you if you shoot them, and outrun your targetable torpedoes like nothing...so....THOSE dudes are annoying
the Elachi have this thing where they subspace jump behind you all the time, THAT is annoying; the Tholians....are manageable like EVERY other enemy in the game
The only thing more satisfying than beating a tholian to death with a sword made from one of its brothers is not using a weapon and punching the TRIBBLE out of them.
I want to use this as a signature quote!
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
I send three purple diplomats on a simple gift exchange and they blow it...
I send three white bartenders on a three day wilderness training exercise and the crit it...
Okay your problem here is you over did it on diplomats which are politicians that don't shut up.
And any wilderness situation is survivable if you are drunk enough.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
See, all I see is "Whaaa. Whaaaa. An enemy that doesnt let me just blow them away with my 1337 Dhc's!".
To be fair, those ****ing web nodes do have a habit of becoming untargettable from time to time and the "nope sorry sir. Can't shoot that." TRIBBLE has got to be fixed.
I personally have no problem with having to shoot my way out of the webs, but LET me actually shoot my way out.
I hate fighting Tholians; their cages are super annoying.
I don't think they should be removed from the game, though.
one of the best ships against tholians is the armitage, with the akira refit point defense added. get netted? pop the turret and the nearest nodes get zapped and you are free. get netted again pop the torpedo point defense rinse and repeat
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That having been said I do like them in game as they are one of the few enemy groups left that you can't rip through like tissue paper. Most of the other enemy NPCs in this game are a complete joke.
I'm guessing English isn't your first language. You might want to reconsider your use of the highlighted expression in the future.
STO Forum member since before February 2010.
STO Academy's excellent skill planner here: Link
I actually avoid success entirely. It doesn't get me what I want, and the consequences for failure are slim. -- markhawman
Good lord... if this is a problem than Cryptic should delete every enemy type in game. You know fighting works that way, I shoot you, you shoot me.
Nice one. :P
Infinite possibilities have implications that could not be completely understood if you turned this entire universe into a giant supercomputer.
You forget 1 thing! They are soooo cute
But then again, isn't every enemy?
The Borg use overpowered weapons, shield neutralizers, and adapt to weapon types in ground combat.
Federation and Terran ships LOVE tractor beams and TBR, and their phasers occasionally shut down subsystems.
The Fel'khri have battle cloak and Tric torpedoes that knock you around like a pinball
The truth is that there are strengths and weaknesses for every enemy. If you want to keep your weapons online, use weapon batteries, and the tholian web nodes are weak enough that TBR, photonic shockwave, or a point defense system can easily decimate the orb weaver's web.
You still don't like the tholians? GET OVER IT!
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Catherine The Great - Lv 50 Tac - Pride of the Empire
Vladimir - Lv 50 Tac - Pride of the Rihannsu Empire
Save your FAWs, Tractor Repulsors, for webs and conserve [wcap]/wep batteries for shutdowns. Speaking of which, Red Matter Capacitor still doesn't work on bringing up wep systems anymore, and last I checked (could be just me not noticing) but it doesn't bring shields back up anymore either.
so let me get this right ....if the game is a little harder and you cant pew pew through something it should be removed ?.......no..... you are dismissed
NO. No to any proposal to remove any content.
MikroSopht's 'Back Yard Tin-Can Shoot Simulator' might be a better option for those who aren't really interested in the NPC's actually putting up a fight. Personally, I want the PvE side of the game to involve more than just 'how quick can I kill these guys?'
Now...
"1st they shoot you"
Yes. For this reason we call them 'enemies' and is a common mechanic used in many games.
"2nd they starting to remove your weapons"
Yes. This is usually the result of one of two things: One is called 'Science', the other is a 'Special Weapon Bonus Effect'. None of the NPCs have posted on the forums yet about how our abilities and weapon procs affect them, but when that day comes, I fully expect you to be first in line to defend their position.
"3rd depend on the level group is there they shoot there electrical charges and is so not effective against me but I think cryptic made does just to mess with your computer and mix you up so your screen gets full of electric for nothing"
Yes. It needs buffing so that it can actually hurt you. So I guess I agree with you there.
"4rth now they start putting these caging spam"
Yes. This is very easy to nullify using a variety of means available to all captain types in all types of ship. It is also part of what differentiates them from other enemies you may encounter. Every race you encounter in the game has a different one. Borg have one. Klingons have one. Mirror Universe have one. Romulans Have one. Elachi have one. Gorn have one. Nausicaans have one. Breen have one. Hirogen have one. In fact, most Enemy NPCs in most games have one.
"And they restart the same cycle over and over."
Yes, yes they do. Just like you do too, when you kill things.
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
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-Lord Commander Solar Macharius
Yeah, really.
They got what i am lacking. Even with my science skills cranked up and a gazillion science consoles AND emergency power to aux AND that romulan reputation T5 skill my science powers are merely kids play compared to what they do.
they are the anti-science faction. While my tachyon beam is countered by some points in power insulators provided by the odd piece of gear that just happens to have it, cranking power insulators to the max won't save you from the tholians.
Its like npcs use a different set of science skills because someone in charge figured the other set, the one used by that odd class in blue, thats borked.:D
I totally agree.
However, this thread's OP is evidence of what would most likely flood the forums if our buffs, debuffs, abilities and procs did the same stuff. Nothing should be OP and nothing should UP, but since we all seem to be quite happy to have '5 minute cure' builds, the only chance the NPC's have is to be buffed to the eyeballs. I think sometimes there is a serious lack of objectivity about a great many elements from a large number of the players of this game, and I am not excluded.
*Disclaimer - this is not a gripe against 5 minute cure builds. The state of the game is the state of the game.*
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.
See, all I see is "Whaaa. Whaaaa. An enemy that doesnt let me just blow them away with my 1337 Dhc's!".
Give this guy a medal. DO IT. DO IT NAO!!!!
(and then get to d choppa after ;P)
I do remember a NPC Mogai Warbird making posts on this forum a while back complaining about how feds would invade there territory and destroy them over and over, i cant find the post atm tho
EDIT: I got a Sonic Antiproton High Density Beam Rifle Mk XII [CrtH] [Sonic]. Tracks with the Tholian doing constant damage as it skitters around, so all I go to do is hold down the fire button and wave in the basic direction of the Tholian. They Die. I Keep it as a secondary weapon just to hot swap for them. It came out of a blue box prize for completing a medium mission on Nukura Prime. They can be bought on the Exchange too.
I dunno about that it still costs 74 mil just to buy a temporal destroyer and 94 mil to buy a temporal science vessel.
Temporal destroyers aren't having fleet vendors gut demand. By the time I'd posted that, the price of mk xi purple warp cores had dropped by 60%, and right now it's less than half what it was then, and nobody even has the top tier unlocked in their mines yet.
At the moment Tholians are seriously underrated. They only pop up in 1 normal mission: Temporal Ambassador. And guess what? NO ground combat and the space combat is a joke since you can't die, have Mk XII Very Rare stuff AND get help from a ship from the future, which oneshots a Tarantula.
I'd say: MORE Tholians. Give them a few missions of their own. Let them do stuff on a stranded Monarch-class for example (should satisfy the lovers of that ship). They deserve it.
Haters gonna hate ;D
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1. everyone shoots at you, so does this mean you also hate:
klingons, romulans, cardassians, the true way, the dominion, the breen, the undine, the mirror forces, the borg, the iconians, the elachi, and every random unexplored sector species that cryptic throws at you
2. never encountered this glitch, so....full of it
3. what electric charges? unless you have the original crystalline nanofiber set....full of it
4. the tholian webs only come from orb weavers and stasis drones...so.......full of it
as for your first statement of "most annoying enemies" have you even gone up against the latest AI for the borg spheres; those things run run run the flake away from you if you shoot them, and outrun your targetable torpedoes like nothing...so....THOSE dudes are annoying
the Elachi have this thing where they subspace jump behind you all the time, THAT is annoying; the Tholians....are manageable like EVERY other enemy in the game
please.....no trolling on the forum
I want to use this as a signature quote!
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
Okay your problem here is you over did it on diplomats which are politicians that don't shut up.
And any wilderness situation is survivable if you are drunk enough.
Originally Posted by pwlaughingtrendy
Network engineers are not ship designers.
Nor should they be. Their ships would look weird.
To be fair, those ****ing web nodes do have a habit of becoming untargettable from time to time and the "nope sorry sir. Can't shoot that." TRIBBLE has got to be fixed.
I personally have no problem with having to shoot my way out of the webs, but LET me actually shoot my way out.
one of the best ships against tholians is the armitage, with the akira refit point defense added. get netted? pop the turret and the nearest nodes get zapped and you are free. get netted again pop the torpedo point defense rinse and repeat