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Bring This Back!!!!

tyranthraxisiityranthraxisii Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=100463
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=TREQGl54BU8&feature=endscreen
I thought WoW's forums had angry elitist snobs, but I never could have imagined the level STO forums has.:confused:
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  • centersolacecentersolace Member Posts: 11,178 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Wot. That was even a thing????
  • nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    This was a GM command somehow everyone got. Cryptic had to disable it to make more money.
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Wow that was a long time ago. I had blue disruptors for a while there lol. If I'm remembering correctly I believe the reason that it was disabled was because CBS says that weapons can only have certain colors. Phasers have to be orange, disruptors have to be green, etc. I don't remember where that was said but I'm pretty sure that was the reason given. It was fun though.
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  • nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    Wow that was a long time ago. I had blue disruptors for a while there lol. If I'm remembering correctly I believe the reason that it was disabled was because CBS says that weapons can only have certain colors. Phasers have to be orange, disruptors have to be green, etc. I don't remember where that was said but I'm pretty sure that was the reason given. It was fun though.

    You really believe that?
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I don't see why not. CBS has said no to a T5 Connie, so I can see them saying no to allowing weapons to be random non-canon colors.
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  • nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    I don't see why not. CBS has said no to a T5 Connie, so I can see them saying no to allowing weapons to be random non-canon colors.

    How is this game in any way canon
  • lan451lan451 Member Posts: 3,386 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It isn't canon. That isn't the point though. The point is that CBS said no. I personally don't care if people fly around in T5 Connies and have green phasers. But CBS does and they make the decisions. You're going to have to take it up with them.
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  • projectfrontierprojectfrontier Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lan451 wrote: »
    It isn't canon. That isn't the point though. The point is that CBS said no. I personally don't care if people fly around in T5 Connies and have green phasers. But CBS does and they make the decisions. You're going to have to take it up with them.



    Have you ever heard "pics or it didn't happen" before?

    You know the drill, pics or it didn't happen.
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  • jexsamxjexsamx Member Posts: 2,803 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    projectfrontier wrote: »
    Have you ever heard "pics or it didn't happen" before?

    You know the drill, pics or it didn't happen.

    Providing pics of words that were spoken, in person or over the phone, is exceptionally difficult. Similarly, providing pics of emails that might confirm these things would be both difficult and probably involve something illegal.

    Is it seriously so hard to believe that CBS might want an iconic and recognizable weapon to be forced to be its iconic and recognizable color? Really? I get the skepticism about the Connie, but the difference is, forced weapon colors for certain types actually makes some sense.
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    jexsamx wrote: »
    Providing pics of words that were spoken, in person or over the phone, is exceptionally difficult. Similarly, providing pics of emails that might confirm these things would be both difficult and probably involve something illegal.

    Is it seriously so hard to believe that CBS might want an iconic and recognizable weapon to be forced to be its iconic and recognizable color? Really? I get the skepticism about the Connie, but the difference is, forced weapon colors for certain types actually makes some sense.

    Maybe for Phaser and Disruptors (though they used to be Blue for phasers... and now we have blue Andorian Phasers... So so much for that theory hmm?) But what about Plasma and Tetryon? Neither of these were ever seen in any show.

    How about Polaron? They are purple but in the shows what the Dominion was shooting was NOT purple. They fired blue bolts with white at it center.

    Examples: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt3wiJ6Eud4 & http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8ojOPFNNSU


    And Antiproton? First of all considering most shields are likely composed of projected Electrons it would seem foolish to try to shoot Antiprotons at them... I mean two negatively charged particles will repel each other. However, it is Species 8472 (AKA the Undine) who use Antiproton and their beams are Orange a lot like Phasers not Red.

    Example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4LR6Ev27FQ
  • crowsplat69crowsplat69 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I would like to think that this was one of the times when cryptic actually listened to the pvp community. While this was live it was nearly impossible to tell what anyone was shooting you with in pvp. Add to that the fact that many players would deliberately change their beam colors to be that of a different weapon type and it became pretty ridiculous.

    I don't think it was cbs as much as it was the pve players whining about it breaking their immersion.

    And it was not a GM command as someone posted previously. It was a holdover from Champions Online where you can change your power colors to whatever you want. Cryptic removed the slider but left the command in thinking nobody would try it.
  • daan2006daan2006 Member Posts: 5,346 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nafeasonto1 wrote: »
    How is this game in any way canon

    it was more cannon at the start of it then it is now days
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    daan2006 wrote: »
    it was more cannon at the start of it then it is now days

    Oh the game is pretty darned Cannon even now it is just nowhere near Canon...

    crowsplat69 wrote: »
    I would like to think that this was one of the times when cryptic actually listened to the pvp community. While this was live it was nearly impossible to tell what anyone was shooting you with in pvp. Add to that the fact that many players would deliberately change their beam colors to be that of a different weapon type and it became pretty ridiculous.

    I don't think it was cbs as much as it was the pve players whining about it breaking their immersion.

    Awwwe... So sad that the PvP folks could not tell what was being shot at them. At this point trying to build to a specific energy weapon type in PvP is a serious waste of effort. Unless your enemy is going to happily all use the same weapon type and let you know in advance you are going to be blown to bits by various types of energy even from a single premade.

    As for PvE immersion... Well... Considering all the other Canon defying things about this game and all the innumerable immersion breaking things you do in PvE or happen to you in PvE I think it is a bit late to worry about the color of your beams and cannons.
  • crowsplat69crowsplat69 Member Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    hasukurobi wrote: »
    Oh the game is pretty darned Cannon even now it is just nowhere near Canon...




    Awwwe... So sad that the PvP folks could not tell what was being shot at them. At this point trying to build to a specific energy weapon type in PvP is a serious waste of effort. Unless your enemy is going to happily all use the same weapon type and let you know in advance you are going to be blown to bits by various types of energy even from a single premade.

    As for PvE immersion... Well... Considering all the other Canon defying things about this game and all the innumerable immersion breaking things you do in PvE or happen to you in PvE I think it is a bit late to worry about the color of your beams and cannons.

    No seriously.. Many a threadnought was created over the pve immersion..


    And back before you could get uber resists to all, pvpers had to focus on one or two types. It was kind of a big deal in pvp at the time.

    But lets be real.. When this all went down most of the pvp community were Klingon and anybody around back then will tell you that Cryptic never listened to Klingons.. So clearly it was the fedbears that got this removed.
  • reximuzreximuz Member Posts: 1,172 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nafeasonto1 wrote: »
    This was a GM command somehow everyone got. Cryptic had to disable it to make more money.

    How do they make more money by not allowing use of this command? Oh right, they don't. Just fabricated hyperbole from one of the serial complainers.
  • starboardnacellestarboardnacelle Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    nafeasonto1 wrote: »
    This was a GM command somehow everyone got. Cryptic had to disable it to make more money.

    Actually, it was legacy code left over from Champions Online that Cryptic forgot to disable. That same command allows Gold subscribers in Champions to re-color their powers and devices. Star Trek Online runs on the same engine, so it was fairly easy to overlook.

    To everyone who's saying "phasers must be orange," the Enterprise shot rainbow phasers in the first part of "The Best of Both Worlds." They were constantly remodulating the frequency and intensity of the beam to overcome Borg adaptation, which changed the color.
  • vegie0vegie0 Member Posts: 480 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    starboardnacelle wrote: »
    Actually, it was legacy code left over from Champions Online that Cryptic forgot to disable. That same command allows Gold subscribers in Champions to re-color their powers and devices. Star Trek Online runs on the same engine, so it was fairly easy to overlook.

    To everyone who's saying "phasers must be orange," the Enterprise shot rainbow phasers in the first part of "The Best of Both Worlds." They were constantly remodulating the frequency and intensity of the beam to overcome Borg adaptation, which changed the color.

    Lol, it was the first Rainbow Cruiser. I had forgot about that, but imagine if we had to remodulate our weapons against borg in our ships... :confused:
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  • hasukurobihasukurobi Member Posts: 1,421 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    reximuz wrote: »
    How do they make more money by not allowing use of this command? Oh right, they don't. Just fabricated hyperbole from one of the serial complainers.

    By charging Dilithium for Blue Andorian Phasers, Yellow Cardy Spiral Waves (And Keys to get it), Zen for Retro Phasers etc...

    crowsplat69 wrote: »
    No seriously.. Many a threadnought was created over the pve immersion..
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    Perhaps so back then but we have loooooong since left the time when STO had real Immersion factor and played like a real Canon Trek game or even one that PRETENDED to be Canon. Now it is more a Trek theme park.
  • notapwefannotapwefan Member Posts: 1,138 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    projectfrontier wrote: »
    Have you ever heard "pics or it didn't happen" before?

    You know the drill, pics or it didn't happen.

    After witnessing Grumman and Il-2 contravery (Grumman said no for including a few playable WIII torpedo bombers in Il-2 1946), I believe him.
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