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Why can't Klingonand Romulans use thier old ship prefix?
age03
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Why can't Klingons and Romulans use thier old ship prefix?This bieng IKV and RIS which is what they were before all the TNG stuff.
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Because CBS doesn't own those prefixes.
That's interesting, if memory serves, during 'Night of the Comet', B'Vat's ship is the I.K.V. Quv. (Did that get altered? Haven't played that mission in quite awhile).
On topic, I believe that the switch from the I.K.V. prefix to I.K.S. coincided with the change in the Klingon Military from the Imperial Klingon Fleet to the Klingon Defense Force (I could be completely off, but there's always a lot of conclusions with Trek history). I.K.V. (Imperial Klingon Vessel) could refer to any ship that functioned within the Klingon Empire, since Vessel is fairly non-specific. I.K.S., I believe actually refers to Imperial Klingon Starship, where the term Starship is typically used when referring to long-range, military applicable vessels.
As for the R.I.S., not a clue what changed, honestly. Although, Romulan Imperial Ship sounds incredibly stupid. Since the Romulan Star Empire refers to all of its heavy combat craft as 'Warbirds', Imperial Romulan Warbird makes more sense than a generic 'ship' or 'vessel' designation.
Now that the Klinks are happily hunting bunnies for their old enemy they made a pact to change their ship names.
Besides, who cares. It's all made up fantasy BS anyways.
In TOS, Klingon and Romulan ships were never even named. Certainly they were never given a prefix. Thus, IKS is at least as valid as IKV (although I personally prefer the latter), and RIS comes from some source with which I am unfamiliar - I don't recall the ships in Duane's Rihannsu novels having any prefix at all.
That's silly, books are always more cannon than tv or movies.
I think it's based on TNG:"Face of the Enemy" where the ship Troi was on was called "Imperial Romulan Warbird" but I know the acronym was not in that episode.
Oh, if we start to use whatever was in whatever non-canon material we can just as well refer to the Klingon Defense Force as "Imperial Klingon Navy" (FASA RPG) or Klingon "Deep Space Fleet" (Prime Directive RPG).
Not within the ST universe. TV/Movie are, books are not. This came from how the relationship was set between the production company and novel writers, and gave the novel writers more leeway to their storylines.
*SLAP* to the corner with you..
We saw Romulans twice. I don't recall if any ships names were mentioned in those. But Klingon ship names were definatly mentioned.
I do wish I had an idedic memory to quote you the lines, give you the actors name that said it, and the 'sode. Both klingon captains names, and thier ship names were mentioned a number of times.
What was the name of Koloth's ship at Sherman's Planet and K-7.. You can look it up, because it was named in the "Trouble with Tribbles" ... It could have even been funnier if Koloth had been aboard the difiant when DS-9 revisited K-7.
Mister Worf?
Worf: Those are Klingons (pause (and we don't talk about it.)
Koloth: We may have to kill you now for having even told you this much. (grins largely)
O'Brian and Bashier look at each other and then back to the Klingons and reply in unison folowed by another double take "Ok"
Oh the missed possibilities..
so 22 for example
(source a televised interview with Gene in the late 1970's)
Would not work for a game
But, of course... Enterprise gave us an answer to that.
One, it flows better
Two. it frankly sounds/feels more serious and practicle.. it sounds like what a Klingon would likely call them as it feels. "Technical" Klingons in combat tend to use exact words, and as we've notices in several movies and shows don't ... "chatter" as starfleet ships and crews do.
it just sounds more Klingon to me. all serious..
The "old ship prefix" was IKC (Imperial Klingon Cruiser). IKV was used by FASA.... but FASA RPG stuff is non-canon.
You may note that at no point is the craft referred to as anything more specific than "a Klingon warship". Even the common D-7 designation was never used on the show - it comes from an argument staged by a couple of the actors while killing time in-character between takes, as to whether the ships in "The Enterprise Incident" were D-7s or D-6s ("You can tell by the number of windows on the bow, it's clearly a D-6!").
As for the Romulan ships - heck, the Romulan characters were never named in those TOS episodes. (There are non-canon names in novels and short stories, but the episodes never mentioned them.)
Indeed, the name of the ship was never in the original episode... the canon name of the ship came from DS9's Trials and Tribble-ations..... which was IKS.
The closest to a canon prefix for Klingon ships prior to "IKS" was "Imperial Klingon Cruiser" (IKC) as used in TMP.