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D'ridren Class Warbird
persephoneltc
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Okay, so yes it's listed as Memory Beta for some reason, despite being in every star trek game I've ever seen up to STO and despite being in Star Trek The Next Generation (any of which would make it canon in my mind...how can you say something in the show isn't canon? Anyway I digress!)
Base Model: D'ridren Class Warbird
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 31,000
Standard Shields: 5,000
Shield Modifier: 0.9
Weapons: 4 (Fore), 2 (Aft)
Crew: 150
Bridge Officers:
* Commander Tactical
* Lieutenant Tactical
* Lt. Commander Engineering
* Lieutenant Science
* Ensign Universal
Device Slots: 3
Consoles:
* Tactical 4
* Engineering 2
* Science 2
Turn Rate: 15
Inertia Rating: 70
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +5 Shields
Special Console: Subspace Turbulence (per plasma shockwave application, all enemies within 5km are effected. Effect is -25% power to engines.)
Power Matrix: Singularty Core
Fleet Model: Fleet D'ridren Class Warbird
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 33,500
Standard Shields: 5,000
Shield Modifier: 0.99
Weapons: 4 (Fore), 2 (Aft)
Crew: 175
Bridge Officers:
* Commander Tactical
* Lieutenant Tactical
* Lt. Commander Engineering
* Lieutenant Science
* Ensign Universal
Device Slots: 3
Consoles:
* Tactical 4
* Engineering 3
* Science 2
Turn Rate: 17
Inertia Rating: 70
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +5 Shields
Special Console: Seak and Destroy Torpedo (on your next torpedo attack all torpedoes fired have a 360 degree firing arc and will home in on their designated target. 2 Minute cooldown timer. So all the torps from a high yield launch or all the torps from a spread, etc.)
Power Matrix: Singularity Core
Cost: 20,000 Fleet Credits, 4 Ship Modules
Justifications:
1) I used the Tactical Escort Retrofits as a template and tempered it against the T'Varo ship.
2) Why didn't I give the ship 5 tactical consoles? Because Romulans already have two ships with 5 tactical consoles. Also because this ship is a scout ship (per TNG) not an attack vessel. While it can serve that function well, so can the Intrepid class, doesn't make it an attack ship!
3) Why are we light one weapon? Why are federation science ships light 1 weapon? Get over it, you've got a well balanced bridge crew.
4) Why is the shockwave only -25% to engines on the base model? Well, for one, it's a BASE MODEL. For another thing, I wanted something that would be a nuissance but not overpowering. You can escape the effect by dumping power to the engines, or applying emergency power to the engines, etc. Or you can sit there dead in the water. Not sure on how long the duration should be, I was thinking 8 seconds would be fair, since it's a console slot being used up - not just a "target shields" function.
5) What's up with the seek and destroy torpedo? It says "all torpedoes fired on your next attack" but your launcher only fires one at a time. Well, no, not really, with a high yield attack you can get multiple torpedoes to fire at once, and with torpedo spread you get a LOT more torpedoes fired. Not sure of the numbers exactly for each level of skill, but that can really turn into a massive hit if you dont have shields up and you have a pile of torpedoes headed at you. Also why the 360 arc? Well, it's a seeking torpedo, it has to be a 360 arc! It's not a new idea, the T'varo unstable will seek and destroy as well.
6) Why do you have an even number for shields but other ships have weird numbers? Well, that's because I have no freaking idea how they came up with those numbers! So I ballparked it, shoot me. :P
7) Why is the ensign slot universal? My thought was you could use it for any "team" you felt you wanted. Worried about tholians knocking your weapons offline? Load an engineering team there. Borg got your shields down? Tactical team would be good there. Maybe you're dying to fire a lot and you want another hazard emitter or science team? The idea is, it's a little station that can be manned by anyone really.
Why do I want it?
IMHO, this is a super classic ship with ship design. As far as I know it should be canon and, unlike the T'liss, it doesn't come from TOS.
Also, IMHO, we need a small ship. We have skyscrapers a plenty! The D'Deridex, the Moghai, the Ha'feh. What do we have in the light, highly maneuverable category (with a hitbox that doesnt take half a map worth of bulk?) the T'varo is the only one I know of. Maybe the Dhevan or whatever that thing is. Is that thing even canon? Could we just make it so the Dhevan looks like the D'ridren ya know, because the D'ridren is actually from the show and I can't remmenber a Dhevan in anything movie or shows....unless it's in some TOS show I missed (like 1 of the 3 seasons...havnt seen them all yet...)
The idea of this warbird is NOT to have something super powerful. It's down 1 weapon, it's light hulled, decently shielded, it's not a powerhouse with 5 tactical consoles, but it's not a pansy with 3 tactical consoles either. I may be missing an exploit somewhere, but my goal was to come up with a general picket ship equivalent to the Federation escort class.
I just see a hole in the Romulan ship line. There's lots of big clumsy cruisers, and yes, I know the Romulans are known for city-ships that have 800,000 crew and carry 1.5 million passengers with them (dramatization) but they did have science ships. They are very scientific, inventing the cloak and learning how to harness the powers of nature in unique ways to power their ships!
Base Model: D'ridren Class Warbird
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 31,000
Standard Shields: 5,000
Shield Modifier: 0.9
Weapons: 4 (Fore), 2 (Aft)
Crew: 150
Bridge Officers:
* Commander Tactical
* Lieutenant Tactical
* Lt. Commander Engineering
* Lieutenant Science
* Ensign Universal
Device Slots: 3
Consoles:
* Tactical 4
* Engineering 2
* Science 2
Turn Rate: 15
Inertia Rating: 70
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +5 Shields
Special Console: Subspace Turbulence (per plasma shockwave application, all enemies within 5km are effected. Effect is -25% power to engines.)
Power Matrix: Singularty Core
Fleet Model: Fleet D'ridren Class Warbird
Tier: 5
Type: Warbird
Hull: 33,500
Standard Shields: 5,000
Shield Modifier: 0.99
Weapons: 4 (Fore), 2 (Aft)
Crew: 175
Bridge Officers:
* Commander Tactical
* Lieutenant Tactical
* Lt. Commander Engineering
* Lieutenant Science
* Ensign Universal
Device Slots: 3
Consoles:
* Tactical 4
* Engineering 3
* Science 2
Turn Rate: 17
Inertia Rating: 70
Bonus Power: +10 Weapons, +5 Shields
Special Console: Seak and Destroy Torpedo (on your next torpedo attack all torpedoes fired have a 360 degree firing arc and will home in on their designated target. 2 Minute cooldown timer. So all the torps from a high yield launch or all the torps from a spread, etc.)
Power Matrix: Singularity Core
Cost: 20,000 Fleet Credits, 4 Ship Modules
Justifications:
1) I used the Tactical Escort Retrofits as a template and tempered it against the T'Varo ship.
2) Why didn't I give the ship 5 tactical consoles? Because Romulans already have two ships with 5 tactical consoles. Also because this ship is a scout ship (per TNG) not an attack vessel. While it can serve that function well, so can the Intrepid class, doesn't make it an attack ship!
3) Why are we light one weapon? Why are federation science ships light 1 weapon? Get over it, you've got a well balanced bridge crew.
4) Why is the shockwave only -25% to engines on the base model? Well, for one, it's a BASE MODEL. For another thing, I wanted something that would be a nuissance but not overpowering. You can escape the effect by dumping power to the engines, or applying emergency power to the engines, etc. Or you can sit there dead in the water. Not sure on how long the duration should be, I was thinking 8 seconds would be fair, since it's a console slot being used up - not just a "target shields" function.
5) What's up with the seek and destroy torpedo? It says "all torpedoes fired on your next attack" but your launcher only fires one at a time. Well, no, not really, with a high yield attack you can get multiple torpedoes to fire at once, and with torpedo spread you get a LOT more torpedoes fired. Not sure of the numbers exactly for each level of skill, but that can really turn into a massive hit if you dont have shields up and you have a pile of torpedoes headed at you. Also why the 360 arc? Well, it's a seeking torpedo, it has to be a 360 arc! It's not a new idea, the T'varo unstable will seek and destroy as well.
6) Why do you have an even number for shields but other ships have weird numbers? Well, that's because I have no freaking idea how they came up with those numbers! So I ballparked it, shoot me. :P
7) Why is the ensign slot universal? My thought was you could use it for any "team" you felt you wanted. Worried about tholians knocking your weapons offline? Load an engineering team there. Borg got your shields down? Tactical team would be good there. Maybe you're dying to fire a lot and you want another hazard emitter or science team? The idea is, it's a little station that can be manned by anyone really.
Why do I want it?
IMHO, this is a super classic ship with ship design. As far as I know it should be canon and, unlike the T'liss, it doesn't come from TOS.
Also, IMHO, we need a small ship. We have skyscrapers a plenty! The D'Deridex, the Moghai, the Ha'feh. What do we have in the light, highly maneuverable category (with a hitbox that doesnt take half a map worth of bulk?) the T'varo is the only one I know of. Maybe the Dhevan or whatever that thing is. Is that thing even canon? Could we just make it so the Dhevan looks like the D'ridren ya know, because the D'ridren is actually from the show and I can't remmenber a Dhevan in anything movie or shows....unless it's in some TOS show I missed (like 1 of the 3 seasons...havnt seen them all yet...)
The idea of this warbird is NOT to have something super powerful. It's down 1 weapon, it's light hulled, decently shielded, it's not a powerhouse with 5 tactical consoles, but it's not a pansy with 3 tactical consoles either. I may be missing an exploit somewhere, but my goal was to come up with a general picket ship equivalent to the Federation escort class.
I just see a hole in the Romulan ship line. There's lots of big clumsy cruisers, and yes, I know the Romulans are known for city-ships that have 800,000 crew and carry 1.5 million passengers with them (dramatization) but they did have science ships. They are very scientific, inventing the cloak and learning how to harness the powers of nature in unique ways to power their ships!
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Because just because the ship was in games doesn't make it canon, no offense, but being a 4/2 make it another Aquarius, plus no other fleet ship in the game gets a unique console.
The last thing the Romulans need is another escort/destroyer type...especially when we will be getting two more when the Vet and Time ship destroyers get released.
Like it says in the wiki the D'renet-class class, which was a similar looking smaller ship is more like what was in the show.
I expect that it will most likely be introduced to the game as the Romulan version of the captain's yacht, though that is only personal speculation.
It would make sense since Romulans already have a runabout.
Perhaps, but it really seemed larger than the Defiant during that episode of TNG. Also, the B'rell bird of prey is also a scout ship, but pwe made it a viable warship in terms of the game.
Similarly if you look at other star trek games (granted they are other games not necessarily canon, okay) this ship is usually present as something more powerful than a t'liss but not a cruiser. I'd say equivalent to the USS Stargazer and less equivalent to a long range shuttle.
For instance: is the cannon description of the ship. It clearly says it is a starship and not a shuttle. It was used for scouting missions. This is very similar to how Picard described the USS Stargazer as a ship of exploration that was
Both ships come from the same era. Both ships are equivalent in size and ability. Both seem to be scout ships (which as far as I am concerned is code for science ships, hard to call any Federation ship a science vessel really, since all ships up until late were ships of exploration. Only when they had the dominion war and the borg war did the Federation really start looking at warcruisers like the Assault Escort and Assault Cruiser - or so is my recollection, feel free to correct me if you like.)
But that's not the only equivalent. If we look at the B'rel class Klingon bird of prey we have the following information (note this is also considered a starship in STO and not a shuttle)
So it's safe to assume that any ship manned by at least 12 crew is a starship, although it is mentioned the b'rel can be flown by a skeleton crew of 6.
It's hard to say if the Oberth class or the Miranda class would be a better comparison for my last comparison. I love BOTH of these scout ships, but I will go with the Miranda class as there is evidence that they are still in service all the way to the dominion war (DS9) while I have no knowledge of evidence existing of the Oberth after the TOS movies (might be there, not saying it isn't.)
The Miranda class, like the Romulan scout ship, is Almost the same description - again. In STO it's the starter ship for the Federation, of course, and is obviously itself not a shuttle. The Miranda class of the 24th century has a crew compliment of 24, so it's barely twice the crew compliment of a brel class, but because it's Federation, I attribute at least half that crew to science officers and non-system critical engineers (someone studying warp field analysis is not system critical, an engineer that actually keeps the warpcore online, is system critical.)
Basically, what I am saying (for those who skipped to the end here) is that it would be a shame if this ship were to be relegated to a souped up shuttle when it so clearly screams for, and has been in the past, a starship in it's own right. I think the first post demonstrates that it fills a gap in the Romulan line of warbirds, and I hope this one justifies that this ship (which I feel is canon) is a starship and not a shuttle, not a captain's yacht equivalent.
"They rarely ventured out as far as the Romulan Neutral Zone." Obvious they weren't very long range vessels.
Also, if you scale that thing to the size of a Bird-of-Prey it has a row of windows that dwarf those in a Galaxy-class' "Ten Forward".
It's really just a Romulan Runabout, which explains why it can be flewn by a single person.
Also D'ridren was the name used for it in "Birth of the Federation", where they did some pretty strange stuff with the ships anyway.
For example there was a scout and a destroyer version of the exact same ship with the exact same model.
They only changed the colour between them.
The Vor'cha dwarfed the Negh'var which was just a torpedo platform and only Klingon BoPs had a cloak.
Using BotF as a canon source is like using Spongebob Squarepants as a source for a ducomentary on marine life.
Always had a feeling that ship had more of a CREW than 1. Remember, the EMH mark 1 and the EMH mark 2 essentially stole a Prometheus from like 5 Romulans. So if 5 Romulans are running a ship that splits in 3 and is highly advanced, you'd think 1 Romulan with a computer could pilot a scout ship (aka very light attack warbird) to the neutral zone.
I doubt the Miranda class went to the Neutral zone often. Why would you send anything that isn't a cruiser or cruiser equivalent to patrol the Neutral zone? The idea was to be able to find, hail and intimidate the other alliance from crossing the neutral zone!
And yea, I wouldn't say this ship was a long range vessel. I wouldn't say the defiant is a long range vessel either! They housed it in DS9 after all, and I'm not entirely convinced that you couldn't fit 3 or 4 of them in the shuttle bay of an Intrepid class! (hey, Voyager lost something like 500 shuttles over 7 seasons, they built ONE, they must have one MASSIVE shuttle bay! (yes this is an attempt at levity to keep things friendly, deal.))
I was once told by a BF that the B'rel would fit in the Constitution Class's shuttle bay. He may have been exaggerating the smallness of it given Star Trek III and IV, but it really doesn't appear to be that much bigger than the scoutship we are talking about.
As for the class name, not sure where it came from originally. I just grabbed it off Memory-Alpha since that's the ship model I want. :P
And yea, in BOTF it was a destroyer. I don't remember any ship in there having the same model for two things, but yes BOTF had a few things incorrect. And K'vort sounds like something you say when you have a mouth full of milk and someone makes you laugh!
With the Prometheus we saw 5 Romulans...I highly doubt 5 Romulans took on a ship with a crew that was 100+, there was havoc all over the ship, including the sick bay if I recall had burns on the walls from weapon fire.
The two EMH took out a D'Deridex, the MVAM was easy enough to use when it was computer controlled, but in any other Trek have you ever seen someone give the computer tactical orders? No, someone had to man the tactical station...
so unless janeway got photons at ds9 before going to the bad lands voyager was not have a full load of photons and even if voyager transnported all of chekota's photons before his ship rammed the kazon ship voyager would still been short on photons?
Yes, they set the ship against the Enterprise in such a way to make it look quite large in comparison, but it clearly wasn't much larger than a runabout.
How other games decided to make use of the model really doesn't matter.
Then you can ask your friend a trick question:
how many fully fledged whaling ships fit inside a Constitution class' shuttle bay?
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qnbL4Sjdgio/THkIU1mk1KI/AAAAAAAABhY/7fVLurDE0ms/s1600/Bird+of+Prey.JPG
(or if you prefer a video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q8zhZOZzAL4
The Bird of Prey has a length of over 100 meters.
Just look at those windows next to the torpedo launcher:
http://gndn.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/k6.jpg
and now compare that to the windows on the ship you're talking about:
http://images.wikia.com/memoryalpha/en/images/9/98/Romulan_scout_ship.jpg
not exactly the same.;)
Botf used the same model for the Romuan Tech 1 scout ship and destroyer.
The only difference is that the scout had brown textures instead of green.
http://members.aon.at/zelli/rships.htm
Oh, BWT K'vort is correct nontheless.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JoQzuPjSk0
jump to 4:15
Neelix knows a guy.
As for the Romulan scout ship, I recall it being very small, but still bigger than a runabout.