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Cryptic/PWE enough with the money making schemes already come on now...
nafeasonto1
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Concerning the new "Discount DIL MINE."
Cryptic/PWE main point is to make the max profit out of the game. I would say more then half the player base will convert there Zen to DIL to gain these projects as fast as they can. Cryptic knows this.
They are not dumb, they know how to make money. This stupid DIL mine is just another way.
There is NO REASON they couldn't add these upgrades to the existing fleet projects like the embassy, or i don't know the main STarbase. That people have been working their butts off to get leveled, and lots and lots of DIL and grinding.
It's a complete and utter joke and a slap in the face, that we have to start an entire new project to get special Engineering consoles and Fleet cores. IT's like Cryptic/PWE had this on the plans all along, and purposely waited so people would spend lots of DIL and Zen on there current fleet projects, so they could spend more on a new project months later. It's a BRILLIANT tactic.
What is next? Another different entire Starbase Entity to get Fleet TAC consoles too? Because I know that is coming.
I would love for a DEV to come on here and try to prove me wrong and give me some dumb PR response on how "this will make the game better overall for the playerbase!" Yeah right.
The discount is there just to attract people to do the project and get a really stupid low discount so the player base buys for Zen to convert more to DIL.
Smaller fleets are DIEING and these new projects are more of a proof that Cryptic/PWE is trying to phase them out.
I used to be in sales, believe me I know when a company is lieing and trying to just get money out of people, it's sad that this game has become a money grubbing game in the past year.
Your sales people are geniuses Cryptic I got to hand it to you, you def have mathematicians working for you to figure all this math out for the best way to make money.
BUt you don't care about bugs and constantly just push out content. ONE MONTH to fix a mail bug? Give me a friggan' break, but let's have stupid sales on the Zen store, and push new things down peoples throats to distract them.
well played Cryptic well played.
Cryptic/PWE main point is to make the max profit out of the game. I would say more then half the player base will convert there Zen to DIL to gain these projects as fast as they can. Cryptic knows this.
They are not dumb, they know how to make money. This stupid DIL mine is just another way.
There is NO REASON they couldn't add these upgrades to the existing fleet projects like the embassy, or i don't know the main STarbase. That people have been working their butts off to get leveled, and lots and lots of DIL and grinding.
It's a complete and utter joke and a slap in the face, that we have to start an entire new project to get special Engineering consoles and Fleet cores. IT's like Cryptic/PWE had this on the plans all along, and purposely waited so people would spend lots of DIL and Zen on there current fleet projects, so they could spend more on a new project months later. It's a BRILLIANT tactic.
What is next? Another different entire Starbase Entity to get Fleet TAC consoles too? Because I know that is coming.
I would love for a DEV to come on here and try to prove me wrong and give me some dumb PR response on how "this will make the game better overall for the playerbase!" Yeah right.
The discount is there just to attract people to do the project and get a really stupid low discount so the player base buys for Zen to convert more to DIL.
Smaller fleets are DIEING and these new projects are more of a proof that Cryptic/PWE is trying to phase them out.
I used to be in sales, believe me I know when a company is lieing and trying to just get money out of people, it's sad that this game has become a money grubbing game in the past year.
Your sales people are geniuses Cryptic I got to hand it to you, you def have mathematicians working for you to figure all this math out for the best way to make money.
BUt you don't care about bugs and constantly just push out content. ONE MONTH to fix a mail bug? Give me a friggan' break, but let's have stupid sales on the Zen store, and push new things down peoples throats to distract them.
well played Cryptic well played.
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And you're not being 'forced' to do the new Fleet holding. If you don't like it, then don't do it !!!
I love that argument with everyone "Don't do it!!!" People play MMO's to gain the best possible character they can. SInce this is basically IN FLEETS now people WILL do it, the "force" part is that, you have no choice n order to get the best stuff is be in a massive fleet to get said items.
The "force" part is also the limited Refining dil part.
The "force" part is Fleet modules only being on the Zen store. Also the argument after this is "you don't have to pay for it, you can get them on them on the exchange." What people don't understand is SOMEONE paid for them, maybe not you but someone did. This also causes a unnecessary inflation on the Exchange store, because real money is involved.
Again. why do people defend bad business practices?
No, dude's just in favor of more straight forward means of making money.
I could not agree more. No money no STO. No matter what cryptic does, the haters are out there, they put something new in the game and people ***** about it, they want it all and don't want to work for it. It's a game, you don't like it don't play, there are 10 people that will take your place in a heartbeat. Sorry to seem so bitter about it, but all I hear on these posts is how unhappy people are on changes that are made, look at all the good things they have done. I happen to like the game a lot. PEOPLE, STOP WHINING AND PLAY AND HAVE FUN. don't bother to pick this post apart and comment on it. I will not answer. I said my 2 cents.
I feel better now LOL.
Ultimately if you are starting a fleet today find a friendly large fleet that will give you a starbase invite (so long as you have provisions you can buy their tier 5 stuff if you want) and do the dilithium mine as your first holding to get your starbase projects discounted but ultimately a long as you can keep your fleet provisions up all you need is a larger fleet to send you a starbase/embassy/mine invite for you to get your gear.
The problem with your entire post is that its a plea from emotion. If Cryptic's practices really bothered you, you would stop paying to play. If you're not paying to play then you really have no say in the direction of the game.
As for the "money grab", if people are willing to pay real money for these projects then by affect they're sanctioning Cryptic's behavior. You may disagree, but I'd recommend not playing a free to play game. The whole scheme of free to play is to entice people to pay for conveniences and occasionally power.
Sadly if you don't like it there's really only two large non free to play MMOs out there and its Eve or WoW.
"It's something I don't need to do, but I'm going to do it anyway. It makes money to keep the game alive and plenty of people are willing to put that money into it but I'm just going to sit here and cry about it."
Honestly. You don't have to do it. "But I want to get the best possible character I can." Well then, work for it like the rest of us. Or, perhaps, you can go on your merry way in the game without this stuff and be exactly the same as if the mine hadn't been introduced in the first place.
Oh, and screaming ain't gonna get you anywhere. If you talk calmly (a.k.a., without caps and exclamation points) you're going to get a lot further than yelling.
Also, every time a rant includes 'slap in the face,' 1 you look silly and hyperventilating, and 2 someone murders a kitten. Think of the kittens.
Interesting. I play this game to have fun and keep in touch with my friends, not to max out my characters.
Of course, it's a nice bonus if my characters get maxed in the process, but the journey is more important than the goal.
What i find funny, is everyone is talking about how the small fleets are dying, and how Cryptic is forcing us to pay money to expand our fleets quickly, and so on and so forth....
Then explain why my Fleet (about 50-ish members mind you) has a tier 3 fabricator, tier 3 shipyard, tier 3 comms array, a tier 2 starbase (which will be upgraded to tier 3 after we finish the ship costume thing for the starbase) and a tier 2 embassy. It seems to me that my small fleet is doing fine. So your "Small fleets are dying" statement is unfounded.
Also there is an easy way for a new small 25 - 30 person fleet to be able to expand quickly. It simple, do this new mine, and work on the embassy till you get the broker for the tier 2 embassy, there you have a discount on the Dilithium and you get a discount on things such as industrial replicators and such.... which can be every helpful.
So small fleets are not dying, in fact Cryptic is helping small fleets by giving them a way to build at a discount. Oh and another thing, if you don't want to pay for anything you don't have to, just stop ******** about "It takes to long for my fleet to advance and expand our levels." There is an easy solution to that, have everyone just pitch in 20 bucks worth of zen.... at current market prices 2,000 at 113 Dilithium per is 226,000 Dilithium you times that by say 15 members that is an astounding 3,390,000 Dilithium. That much Dilithium is enough to get you a completely functional tier 3 starbase (Tier 3 shipyard, Tier 3 Transwarp, Tier 3 Fabricator, Tier 3 Comms Array) and it gives you enough left over to get to a Tier 1 embassy provided you are sitting at the production point of moving on to the next tier.
I mean, I know this is going to sound crazy, but if you have 15 members doing their max amount of Dilith mining just once, you have enough to fill out the Tier 1 Starbase.
-End Rant-
Thanks for taking the time to read or skim this!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRHK0K2ii6Q
Somehow I doubt anything that Cryptic has done is anything like this.
So sick of seeing people cry about stuff in game. . And posts like this just make me so angry as why play if you not happy
so sick of seeing people cry about people cry about stuff in game. and posts like this just make me so angry as why are you angry angry as why he plays if he is not happy
10k DPS Vesta threads: 1; 2
Please o please don't give them any more bright ideas.
If your post is anything like, "I have a sandwich so you can't be starving" it's time to rethink posting. ~thlaylierah
You do realize the cost isn't linear, right?
It costs close to 1 million dilithium to get a Tier 2 starbase, shipyard, coms array, and fabricator.(2 of which you haven't gotten to T2 yet)
...but it costs close to 20 million dilithium to get them to T5.
You said you created your fleet five months ago, correct? How long do you think it will take before you reach T5? How far along is your embassy? You now have another holding to pour resources into, and Cryptic will be adding another holding before the end of the year - how does that make you feel?
Here's some more food for thought:
A T3 dilithium mine costs 4x more dilithium than what you've poured into your T1/T2 starbase.
A T3 embassy? 8x more
You proabably misunderstand the OP - to him '50 people' is a LARGE fleet. I'll bet he wants his personal Fleet of 3 Alts to be able to get to Tier 5 /Tier 3/Tier 3 as fast as a 500 person fleet.;)
PWE ARC Drone says: "Your STO forum community as you have known it is ended...Display names are irrelevant...Any further sense of community is irrelevant...Resistance is futile...You will be assimilated..."
Ok. Since there is and always has been a lot of QQ on the forums about all this and how it's killing fleets and whatever, let's stay with that point right there and ask a few very simple questions.
What were fleets for BEFORE the bases? What on Earth did they all DO with no fleet gear to grind for or fleet projects to fill up? What in heaven's name was the point in a community that helped its members to enjoy the game more by grouping together for STF's and the like?
Why do you have your small and apparently dying fleet? Is it for the gear? So you can be boss? Or is it for the people in it?
Why are most of your members in your small fleet? Is it because they like the company? Because it has a groovy name? Or is it for the gear?
The grind isn't killing small fleets at all. That is utter nonsense and I call it as such. What's killing small fleets is outright impatience. If they're even being killed at all.... As far as I'm concerned, if you are in a fleet or have a fleet solely for the gear, then um... there are many many many larger fleets who are further along the process than others. Oh... wait... they ask you to contribute before you use the resources they earned through contributions.... and so my post goes back to where it started.....
Of course we all want the best gear. Let's be honest about that. But if your fleet is gear acquisition based and not community based then... WTF is the point in it? Join a big one and contribute to that to get your fleet store access and gear. Believe me, it will get you what you want a hell of a lot quicker than grinding you fleet holdings to T5 with a small group.
Or better still, get your hands on a few million EC and just buy fleet store access from a T5 fleet. Instapaytowin
No. Your fun makes everyone else's fun wrong by default.