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shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
edited June 2013 in Federation Discussion
Was going through memory alpha and read the nebula was designed for saucer recovery of galaxy saucers and was like so much they gave them a dedicated saucer so shouldnt it be able to saucer sep as well
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  • lordvalecortezlordvalecortez Member Posts: 479 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    There is nothing to separate from on a Nebula. The Galaxy can separate the saucer because there is a star drive section of the ship. The star drive is bolted straight onto the saucer and boom, you have a large warp capable ship.

    The whole point of the Nebula class is that is was quicker and "cheaper" (but we live in a society with no concept of money...) to make then a Galaxy class while keeping most of the elbow room for science and exploration.
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  • shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
  • shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    can see its star drive section has same "cobra head" saucer mount and phaser strip as well
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,560 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shall we say cheaper as in less time and resources than the Galaxy to build and man. but a varient was supposed to recover galaxy. but most are likely fixed on. now on the imaged, is that a studio model?
  • shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    not arguing cheaper but the fact it has a stardrive section same saucer a galaxy has and same docking collar is all that be needed to seperate them and the stardrive section stil way bigger than the defiant so still a viable ship section
  • shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    what i am say should be able to use the console tho default not come with itas they are interchangable
  • shadowhearttshadowheartt Member Posts: 27 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Sure can say most would have the saucer fixed but same can be said about the galaxy as well the console is the custom add on that say it is one that has the added work
  • supergirl1611supergirl1611 Member Posts: 809 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Saucer sep on a Nebula is def not needed a 3rd tact console on the fleet version might be nice though. But alas she's part of the Galaxy family so must be under gunned. Although she is def a good ship despite only having the 2 tact consoles.
  • snoggymack22snoggymack22 Member Posts: 7,084 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    From a technical/practical standpoint, the devs have run into problems making it work with the Galaxy X due to the model's graphics. One might guess that they could also run into similar technical issues with a Nebula and saucer sep due to the added mission pod and how that works with the ship's model in the game.
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  • b3tazoidb3tazoid Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    A background of the Nebula:

    Constitution: A saucer, with a stardrive attacked by a neck, with 2 nacelles coming off the side.

    Miranda: Uses the same components as the connie, but the saucer has the torpedo launcher on the top of a module, with the nacelles bolted to the side.

    And then,

    Galaxy: A saucer, with a stardrive attacked by a neck, with 2 nacelles coming off the side.

    Nebula: Uses the same components as the galaxy, but the saucer has the torpedo launcher on the top of a module, with the nacelles bolted to the side.

    See what they did there?
  • variant37variant37 Member Posts: 867 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Furthermore Mark Rademaker commented, on his own blog, that the Vesta is capable of saucer sep too.

    Sigh. Really? Did he also say it has a cloaking device? Might as well make it an enhanced battlecloak while we're at it. My sci alt flies a Vesta and I love it dearly but it really should be called the "Mary Sue class", not the Vesta, because what can't it do?


    And regarding the Nebula it absolutely should not have saucer sep.
  • sparcehvsparcehv Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    However, to stretch credibility a little far, in the most recent Voyager relaunch book, 'The Eternal Tide' they had Voyager do a 'saucer seperation'. Now THAT I have a problem with.

    Me to, An Intrepid class can jettison it`s entire bridge section on top in case of an emergency.
    Furthermore the saucer section is build up from pressurized cabins so this makes a seperation impossible.

    A Nebula class is the "cheap" sister for the Galaxy class where the sole function is Scientific missions. A Galaxy class was also designed to defend the federation borders.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    b3tazoid wrote: »
    A background of the Nebula:

    Constitution: A saucer, with a stardrive attacked by a neck, with 2 nacelles coming off the side.

    Miranda: Uses the same components as the connie, but the saucer has the torpedo launcher on the top of a module, with the nacelles bolted to the side.

    And then,

    Galaxy: A saucer, with a stardrive attacked by a neck, with 2 nacelles coming off the side.

    Nebula: Uses the same components as the galaxy, but the saucer has the torpedo launcher on the top of a module, with the nacelles bolted to the side.

    See what they did there?

    Not really the same because on the Miranda the "saucer" is clearly not the same as on the Constitution.
    In addition everything is connected to it: the torpedo module as well as the nacelles.

    On the Nebula there are two pieces: a saucer with a distinct lower hull and its own deflector.
    And both the module as well as the nacelles are not connected to the saucer.
  • mehenmehen Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Not really the same because on the Miranda the "saucer" is clearly not the same as on the Constitution.
    In addition everything is connected to it: the torpedo module as well as the nacelles.

    On the Nebula there are two pieces: a saucer with a distinct lower hull and its own deflector.
    And both the module as well as the nacelles are not connected to the saucer.

    For its sole function being science, it sure could kick the TRIBBLE outta things...just ask the Cardassians.
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mehen wrote: »
    For its sole function being science, it sure could kick the TRIBBLE outta things...just ask the Cardassians.

    Remember: the science version (which we unfortunaately don't have) still has its torpedo tube between the saucer and the lower hull so it's far from defenseless.
    Also, unlike the Galor in this game, Cardassian ships were usually rather crappy vessels.
    The Galor that attacked the Enterprise in that episode got a first strike off and nontheless the Enterprise easily overpowered her.

    I'm still very sad we didn't get the original Nebula version
    with the larger deflector

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070807144460/startrek/images/0/0f/USS_Prometheus,_Nebula_class.jpg

    http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110728202510/memoryalpha/en/images/5/54/Nebula_class_studio_model_after_refurbishment.jpg

    but only the DS9 CGI kitbash with the Galaxy deflector.:(
  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mehen wrote: »
    For its sole function being science, it sure could kick the TRIBBLE outta things...just ask the Cardassians.

    Given that the Nebula was designed explicitly for a multi-role mission profile, it's not at all a pure science ship. Combat was very much within her envelope.
    misterde3 wrote: »
    Remember: the science version (which we unfortunaately don't have) still has its torpedo tube between the saucer and the lower hull so it's far from defenseless.
    Also, unlike the Galor in this game, Cardassian ships were usually rather crappy vessels.
    The Galor that attacked the Enterprise in that episode got a first strike off and nontheless the Enterprise easily overpowered her.

    I'm still very sad we didn't get the original Nebula version
    with the larger deflector

    http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20070807144460/startrek/images/0/0f/USS_Prometheus,_Nebula_class.jpg

    http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110728202510/memoryalpha/en/images/5/54/Nebula_class_studio_model_after_refurbishment.jpg

    but only the DS9 CGI kitbash with the Galaxy deflector.:(

    Personally I'd prefer the Phoenix variant. Having actual separation from the saucer and mission module just looks a bit more workable to me.
  • timelord79timelord79 Member Posts: 1,852 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Funny how the Nebula got labeled as a saucer recovery specialist solely becasue it was seen in the last few seconds of Generations when departing orbit.
    I would have sad, they send a Nebula because it is a big ship and can carry a lot of people and that's it.

    It would make more sense that the smaller ships flying in formation were send as the actual recovery ships similar to small towing boats we use today to tow large liners into and out of a harbor.
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  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Personally I'd prefer the Phoenix variant. Having actual separation from the saucer and mission module just looks a bit more workable to me.

    I'm sorry but I'm not sure I understand what you want to say...could you please explain?
  • dashuk2381dashuk2381 Member Posts: 230 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    reyan01 wrote: »
    Can see how it could be possible in the Nebula's case.

    Furthermore Mark Rademaker commented, on his own blog, that the Vesta is capable of saucer sep too.

    However, to stretch credibility a little far, in the most recent Voyager relaunch book, 'The Eternal Tide' they had Voyager do a 'saucer seperation'. Now THAT I have a problem with.

    Well Voyager is one of the "hero" ships like the Defiant in DS9 and hence can do whatever it wants according to the writers. One of the things that always drove me nuts about the shows. How many battles did Voyager take major damage and she somehow made it through 6-7 years without any major refits or repairs.

    As for saucer sep o nthe Nebula, I think it's un-needed. I'd rather see them revisit the console situation on that ship before doing saucer separation.
  • sparcehvsparcehv Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    dashuk2381 wrote: »
    Well Voyager is one of the "hero" ships like the Defiant in DS9 and hence can do whatever it wants according to the writers. One of the things that always drove me nuts about the shows. How many battles did Voyager take major damage and she somehow made it through 6-7 years without any major refits or repairs.

    As for saucer sep o nthe Nebula, I think it's un-needed. I'd rather see them revisit the console situation on that ship before doing saucer separation.

    Voyager indeed is a "Hero"-ship but also has it limitations. As seen in many episodes they needed to stop and refill on deuterium, refresh the dilitthium and so on. The main advance of voyager was the ability to land so major repairs could be done (as seen in "Dragon's Teeth" - lands for repair after being fired upon and "Nightingale" - lands for maintenence as seen in this picture;

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    As I remember the Intrepid tech manual claims; 4 month resupply, 1 year minor refit, 5 year major refit. And that is is without the new borg tech and other upgrades. So in my opinion the writers stayed "true" to real life operations

    But back on topic for the Nebula class :D
    I think it would be tricky to reconnect the saucer with the sensor or torpedo dome on top of it. Furthermore, if the Nebula should go into combat, (torpedo dome on top) then why does it need a saucer seperation? Remember TNG Encounter at far point, the sep. was needed to bring the civilians on board away from hostile fire, which is logic because without the saucer section, you`d loose about three quarter of phaser strips, and you don`t have a warp core to provide power to them.
    imho, a saucer sep for the nebula is not needed and useless.
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  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,560 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Also remember the Nebula is a CHEAPER version of the Galaxy. HENCE their NAMES. Saucer sep ability was sacraficed for time and resource saving and likely no full out families onboard. Remeber only 3 Galaxys were meant to be active and since they can't be everywhere at once the Nebula fills that role.
  • admiralq1732admiralq1732 Member Posts: 1,560 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    f2pdrakron wrote: »
    Well to be fair, most federation designs could saucer separation, the Constitution class could but that was a "one way trip" sort to speak, they could not reconnect the saucer after.

    The Galaxy class however could because it was designed to separate and reconnect without assistance, there is really no indication this extended to all Federation ships.

    Also you sometimes see strange things, for example the Enterprise-B MSD shown the location of the bridge and the battle bridge.

    Note the so called battle Bridge for Excel can easily be Aux control, the Connie had that so can the Excel
  • row124row124 Member Posts: 77 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well I'm not a Nebula Captain myself. However, I don't see the problem of giving them saucer separation. If it means makes the ship more likable by players then I say why not? Plus that means more money for the devs too.
  • risingstar2009risingstar2009 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The Nebula doesn't have the saucer separation. Any picture I have seen, the support pylon is connected, i.e. built in, to the saucer.

    And even if Cryptic did offer it up, the attempt would be worse than the Gal-X they are working on right now as the Pod and Pylon stand higher than the 3rd nacelle on the Gal-X, not including the overshadowing of it.
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  • veraticusveraticus Member Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Number of phaser arrays is irrelevant. (Just an fyi)

    From what I understand about the Nebula. If it was indeed able to function as a Saucer reclamation vessel I imagine it would involve detaching the multi-mission module above her own Saucer and somehow latching onto the Saucer there.

    I saw a custom made model of it once. Was kinda hilarious, but nifty too.
  • sparcehvsparcehv Member Posts: 51 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    veraticus wrote: »
    Number of phaser arrays is irrelevant. (Just an fyi)

    Spoken like a Borg! ;):D
    And without the saucer section you lack impulse power ;-)

    Just looked at the tech manual; The mission profile of the Nebula-class varied from performing various scientific and exploratory roles to conducting patrol and transport duties.

    Now instead of saucer sep. for the Nebula, I would like to see the various options for the superstructure. Atop the primary hull of a Nebula is a superstructure which can support a variety of modules, such as the inclusion of a triangular platform (as seen ingame), fitted with torpedo launchers, an oval platform fitted with sensors, or an additional warp nacelles. These can be interchanged at the same officer where you change the ships exterior.

    Then if you mount the torp platform, you`ll get a torpedo or DPS bonus, Sensors give sci bonus and reveal cloaked ships, and the extra naccele gives a speed an manoeuvre bonus. Nice in PVP to work in pairs (torp & sensor) against Romulan Warbirds ;-) Now that is something I`ll pay money for!
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  • catoblepasbetacatoblepasbeta Member Posts: 1,532 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    sparcehv wrote: »
    Spoken like a Borg! ;):D
    And without the saucer section you lack impulse power ;-)

    Just looked at the tech manual; The mission profile of the Nebula-class varied from performing various scientific and exploratory roles to conducting patrol and transport duties.

    Now instead of saucer sep. for the Nebula, I would like to see the various options for the superstructure. Atop the primary hull of a Nebula is a superstructure which can support a variety of modules, such as the inclusion of a triangular platform (as seen ingame), fitted with torpedo launchers, an oval platform fitted with sensors, or an additional warp nacelles. These can be interchanged at the same officer where you change the ships exterior.

    Then if you mount the torp platform, you`ll get a torpedo or DPS bonus, Sensors give sci bonus and reveal cloaked ships, and the extra naccele gives a speed an manoeuvre bonus. Nice in PVP to work in pairs (torp & sensor) against Romulan Warbirds ;-) Now that is something I`ll pay money for!
    Mission pods that actually do something would be great for the Nebula and Miranda. (although that one needs a refit to be viable, I think)
  • misterde3misterde3 Member Posts: 4,195 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    sparcehv wrote: »
    Spoken like a Borg! ;):D
    And without the saucer section you lack impulse power ;-)

    Just looked at the tech manual; The mission profile of the Nebula-class varied from performing various scientific and exploratory roles to conducting patrol and transport duties.

    Now instead of saucer sep. for the Nebula, I would like to see the various options for the superstructure. Atop the primary hull of a Nebula is a superstructure which can support a variety of modules, such as the inclusion of a triangular platform (as seen ingame), fitted with torpedo launchers, an oval platform fitted with sensors, or an additional warp nacelles. These can be interchanged at the same officer where you change the ships exterior.

    Then if you mount the torp platform, you`ll get a torpedo or DPS bonus, Sensors give sci bonus and reveal cloaked ships, and the extra naccele gives a speed an manoeuvre bonus. Nice in PVP to work in pairs (torp & sensor) against Romulan Warbirds ;-) Now that is something I`ll pay money for!

    I believe the universal Lt is supposed to represent the ship's module.
    Of course additional modules as visual options would still be welcome.
    It's still confusing to me that they gave the Nebula a sensor-based special ability...without the rear sensor module.
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