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nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited September 2013 in The Academy
I am going to reach Tier V on my OMega rep TOMORROW. I do NOT know which armor set to get.

I have an assult cruiser, soon to be fleet assault cruiser.

I have NO idea which one to get.

Please help.
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  • tcostiktcostik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I'd think about using a a shield from one of those sets, along with the Borg engines and deflector. That's a pretty common and solid combination that I see on a lot of cruisers. When you're looking at sets, its all about the set bonus. Head to stowiki, give them a look, and see which one fits your playstyle.
  • risingstar2009risingstar2009 Member Posts: 329 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You have to get the full MACO set before you can get the Adapted MACO. And the best running combination so far is the Adapted MACO Deflector and Engines with the MACO Shields.
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  • pwstolemynamepwstolemyname Member Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    tcostik wrote: »
    When you're looking at sets, its all about the set bonus.

    I respectfully disagree. When you're looking at sets the set bonus is just a nice little extra. The stats on the deflector and on the shield are all important.

    To the OP. The regular MACO deflector is the most universally useful deflector for any ship as all do more dps when they arnt waiting to re-spawn.

    The Borg deflector is also a good choice for any build for the same reason as the maco deflector, it just isn't quite as good.

    The omega deflector is good for many science ship configurations, exotic damage abilities like tachyon beam and repulsers, and its targeting systems bonus makes it the must have deflector for those people seeking to maximize their DPS at the expense of unused skill bonuses.

    The Adapted MACO deflector is good for disable, drain and cloaking abilities.

    The Romulan deflector is only good for disable and and cloaking abilities.

    Shields: For the majority of ship builds the regular MACO shield is the best hands down. However for builds that run high shield power and use fewer shield healing abilities the omega and Borg shields are a nice choice for passive regeneration.

    The adapted MACO shield is good, but only use it if you really want the set bonus. The Romulan shield is very nice with the romulan set, but without its bonus the MACO is better. Given the exceptionally limited nature of the romulan deflector its not worth using for the vast majority of builds.
  • mbp101287mbp101287 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You have to get the full MACO set before you can get the Adapted MACO.

    I didn't have to. I think I read that somewhere but it never made me. I haven't gotten a single piece of the maco set and I still have 2 pieces of the adapted maco set.
  • jetjaguar2000jetjaguar2000 Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Can someone answer a related question about the Omega gear:

    Last night I got the second of the three Tier 1 Mark X assimilated items, unlocking the first bonus ability (Autonomous Regeneration Sequencer or something). The trouble is, when I equip the items and look at the info window for one of them, it says the ability is active but has a 0% chance to activate. Obviously, quite lame.

    Is this a bug, or am I missing something? I thought it was supposed to be 2% at least.

    Thanks!
  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    You have to get the full MACO set before you can get the Adapted MACO. And the best running combination so far is the Adapted MACO Deflector and Engines with the MACO Shields.

    No you don't, but you do have to be T5 in Omega Rep before you can unlock it.
    Last night I got the second of the three Tier 1 Mark X assimilated items, unlocking the first bonus ability (Autonomous Regeneration Sequencer or something). The trouble is, when I equip the items and look at the info window for one of them, it says the ability is active but has a 0% chance to activate. Obviously, quite lame.

    Is this a bug, or am I missing something? I thought it was supposed to be 2% at least.

    Thanks!
    You have to be in combat and taking damage for it to work, so it saying 0% while standing still in sector space is probably accurate.

    I use it on my shuttle and can confirm that it works fine.


    To answer the OP: Adapted MACO works very well on a cruiser considering that it's a covariant shield with a large capacity. The two piece bonus is also a nice little boost to ships with large crew capacities as well.
  • tcostiktcostik Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I respectfully disagree. When you're looking at sets the set bonus is just a nice little extra. The stats on the deflector and on the shield are all important.

    Stats are nice, but OP specifically asked which SET he should get. He didn't ask what the best combination is. What I said holds true. If you're looking at full sets only, a big part of what your're getting is the set bonus. I agree with you though. I almost never run a full set. Its much better to use the best pieces you can, since most sets aren't worth it.
  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    OP, what kind of captain, and what kind of weapons setup?

    I use the Omega set on my fed engi cruiser and it works alright for what I'm doing. I use disruptor beams and the breen cluster torp (one each, fore and aft). My basic strategy is lower their resists and hit them with cluster torp every 15sec. The Omega 2pc Tetryon Glider helps keep shields down a little, and 3pc Gravitic Anchor burst reduces kinetic resists (in addition to my disruptor procs) which helps the cluster torps do more damage.

    I use the Assimilated set on my KDF tac battlecruiser, mostly for the individual pieces but the set bonuses give really nice automatic regens which help with survivability since the Kamarag is a bit fragile.

    MACO set is the most tankiest and very good all around set. I use it on my Fed escort and my KDF Bird of Prey.
  • borgressistanceborgressistance Member Posts: 268 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    borg engine and deflector for escorts, or a cruiser that needs heals. for the 2/3 proc
    |Adapted maco impulse and deflector give's 2/3, meaning +8.8 into aux, the engine give's small bonus power also, and +25% torpedo damage,so when you need more aux power, or use torpedo's, this is almost a must have.

    normal maco is oke for tanking.

    omega impulse and deflector, give's youre weapons an enhancement, doing a small amount of tetryon damage with each attack, to rip shields faster,ut, it doesnt give and protection/tanking.


    so, it all depends on youre roll and youre preference,
    i would say, 2 piece adapted is best, for the torpedo damage, and the aux power.

    shieldS:

    use a fleet elite, or,if you cant get that yet, maco shield,about fleet get a covariant shield.

    hope this helps
  • pwstolemynamepwstolemyname Member Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    tcostik wrote: »
    Stats are nice, but OP specifically asked which SET he should get. He didn't ask what the best combination is. What I said holds true. If you're looking at full sets only, a big part of what your're getting is the set bonus. I agree with you though. I almost never run a full set. Its much better to use the best pieces you can, since most sets aren't worth it.

    Once again I must disagree. I did not advise the OP as to weather they should mix and match set peace's or stick to a full set. I advised them that when choosing a set the stats offered by the deflector and shield were a more important consideration then the set bonus.

    Example: The set bonus from the Aegis set is better for tanking then the set bonus from MACO set. But the MACO set is better for tanking then the Aegis set due to the stats of its components.
  • fraghul2000fraghul2000 Member Posts: 1,590 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    mbp101287 wrote: »
    I didn't have to. I think I read that somewhere but it never made me. I haven't gotten a single piece of the maco set and I still have 2 pieces of the adapted maco set.

    The requirement to have a full regular MACO set before being able to purchase adapted MACo gear is implemented for the ground set.
  • ddesjardinsddesjardins Member Posts: 3,056 Media Corps
    edited June 2013
    There has been some great advice in this column. Some of it is expert based on the math, some of it is anecdotal based on assumptions. For the most part both are right.

    The real question is what can you build towards, ie what's the next 'best' step.

    An assault cruiser will use hit and run tactics to best effect. Likely your choice of weapon is DHC x3 with a torpedo in front, 2 turrets and a torpedo in the rear.

    Early in the game it was easier to get borg shields first (pre season 7 reputation). These are a favourite for many people. You can't go wrong with them.

    But now, reputation makes everything 'equivalent' in terms of time ease to achieve.

    My recommendations are:

    Ignore X and XI completely. For the time it takes to get XII, and the cost - use whatever you currently have and buy XII.

    The only reason to use X and XI was because they dropped like that in the past (ie didn't need to be developed) - they don't anymore.

    You'll find that you'll learn to be better with your skills, and it will pay off much better later on.

    If you're going to 'mix and match' the sets, Adapted MACO or BORG would be your first choice. Both are good shields, and since you're likely to have the Assimilated Module, the added set power (Autonomous Regeneration) from the borg shields is nice. The MACO have slightly higher plasma resistance at 20%

    If you're going to go for the SET Bonuses for an assault cruiser, my personal choice is the OMEGA. Regardless of your play style or build type, the boost to speed is very helpful for escort-style tactics. Shield strength is less than the others, but the set bonuses more than make up for difference, and the 20% vs plasma is nice as well.

    Set 2: Tetryon Glider - The bump in speed is noticable.

    ENHANCEMENT
    Adds -1.2 Shield Drain to all energy weapon attacks
    Affected by: Starship Flow Capacitors

    Set 3: Gravitic Anchor - The anchor, tied to an alpha strike is very effective and a nice debuff against your target.

    TARGETS FOE
    10 km range
    0.5 sec activation
    3 min recharge
    -25 Kinetic Damage resistance for 10 sec
    Disables target's ability to turn for 10 sec
    -50% Defense for 10sec
    Skills that affect this ability: none

    Anyways - go with what you feel best with. If you want to Tank more, MACO. If you want to do more damage - OMEGA.
  • arctcwolfarctcwolf Member Posts: 242 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    with the new romulan plasma torp, omega torp, or fleet quantum torp, you will want to have the 2 piece adapted maco set bonus. its basically a free zero point or ambiplasma console boost. im working toward adapted maco shield and impulse due to the massive shield and efficient stats of the impulse, also with the new romulan ability to shud down subsystems i dont lose my defense bonus by being stuck standing still. i love the maco deflector just cuz it augments shields moreso than many other deflectors, including fleet, so will stick with what works and let it buff the adapted shield.
  • naeviusnaevius Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If you are in a cruiser (plenty of hull), don't get the MACO (resilient) shield, use the Adapted MACO (covariant) shield. The placate proc will help you more than the power proc.
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  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    My main Tac Captain flies a Fleet Advanced Heavy Cruiser Retrofit (Excelsior) with a A2B beam boat build. I use Mk XII versions of the Omega Force Deflector, Omega Force Engine, and MACO Shield.

    I have high Engine Power, so a Hyper-Impulse engine was a must for me, and I do like the targeting and insulators of the Deflector, but mostly got it for the 2-pc set. Thanks to A2B and FAW, I spam beams everywhere, so I wanted the Tetryon Glider effect tacked on each of those hits.

    I like the power boost and resilience of the MACO shield.

    If you're curious, you can see my full build details here, just ignore the discussion in the first part of the post.
    ...Ignore X and XI completely. For the time it takes to get XII, and the cost - use whatever you currently have and buy XII...
    I'd like to second this recommendation.

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  • reginamala78reginamala78 Member Posts: 4,593 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The advantage of getting Mk11 over 12 though, is that it costs about half as much (between dil, processors, and marks), and the differences are negligible. On the deflectors the skill difference is just a point or two, and on the engines the only difference is a few points when at full impulse. Its only in the shields where it makes much of an impact, and even there its still 95% the capacity at Mk11. Something to think about.
  • towanitowani Member Posts: 104 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Completely off topic, but how does the Jem Hadar (Mk XII) set compare to those 3 the OP listed?
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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    naevius wrote: »
    If you are in a cruiser (plenty of hull), don't get the MACO (resilient) shield, use the Adapted MACO (covariant) shield. The placate proc will help you more than the power proc.

    The power proc doesn't stack with a leech console either (this is apparently working as intended unfortunately).
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    The power proc doesn't stack with a leech console either (this is apparently working as intended unfortunately).
    Just curious, but do you happen to know, if a ship has both the shield and the leech, which proc takes precidence over the other? I mean since they no longer just stack, if both are proc'ing, how is the bonus power applied?

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  • stirling191stirling191 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Just curious, but do you happen to know, if a ship has both the shield and the leech, which proc takes precidence over the other? I mean since they no longer just stack, if both are proc'ing, how is the bonus power applied?

    Short answer: They fight, but it appears to be the power conduit link that takes precedence. From a purely power level perspective, you're much better off ditching the maco shield with a lecch in play.

    Long answer: You're going to see a lot of weird power levels with a maco/adapted KHG shield and a leech console equipped. Sometimes one will prevent the other from activating, sometimes you'll see correct power levels for some subsystems, but incorrect ones for others.

    It's a mess of Cryptic's own making.
  • canisanubiscanisanubis Member Posts: 187 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    So I'm in a cruiser with the Plasmonic Leech equipped and I had wanted to add in the Adapted Honor Guard shield, but given the discussion here, that's apparently a bad idea. So, I'm currently using the Jem'Hadar Mk XI resilient shield. In light of the power bug, is there any better upgrade for me than the MXII Jem'hadar shield from the Lobi store?
  • nafeasonto1nafeasonto1 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    wait what doesn't stack?
  • lordhavelocklordhavelock Member Posts: 2,248 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    ...From a purely power level perspective, you're much better off ditching the maco shield with a lecch in play... It's a mess of Cryptic's own making.
    Ah. Thanks. I'll re-eval my toons that have both (only a couple, thankfully).

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  • ricky1230ricky1230 Member Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    The Nukara Crystalline Resilient Shields seems to have better stats compare to the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array as a though.
  • pwstolemynamepwstolemyname Member Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited September 2013
    ricky1230 wrote: »
    The Nukara Crystalline Resilient Shields seems to have better stats compare to the M.A.C.O. Resilient Shield Array as a though.

    3 month necro.
  • jellico1jellico1 Member Posts: 2,719
    edited September 2013
    I am going to reach Tier V on my OMega rep TOMORROW. I do NOT know which armor set to get.

    I have an assult cruiser, soon to be fleet assault cruiser.

    I have NO idea which one to get.

    Please help.


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