Official Un-official Fleet Cruiser Retrofit thread

kiloace · June 2013

Skins:
Excalibur class
Vesper class
Trojan class*
Exeter class**

*With a standard STO blue deflector and other texture melds. It ain't the constitution.

**C-store skin

Stats:

Hull - 34,500 (37,950 Fleet)
Shields - 1.0 (1.1 Fleet)
Weapons - 4 Fore, 4 Aft
Crew - 400
Consoles - 3 Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci (+1 Eng Fleet)
Devices - 4
Boff Stations (Regular):
Cmdr. Eng, Lt. Eng, Ensign Eng, Lt. Cmdr. Tac, Lt. Sci
Boff Stations (Fleet):
Cmdr. Tac, Lt. Cmdr. Eng, Lt. Eng, Ensign Sci, Lt. Universal
Turn Rate - 9
IM - 0.17

Thoughts?

tcostik · June 2013

kiloace wrote: »

Thoughts?

Only that its the 300th or so thread asking for a T5 Connie. Also, why in the world does the Commander station change if you buy a fleet variant? I don't know of any other fed ships that do that. The boff changeout is too much. Leave it the same, and give it the standard +10% hull/console slot.

smokeybacon90 · June 2013

Retrofit Boff layout is the same as the Excelsior's. It will probably have to have something unique in order to exist. The problem is that it gets a bit crowded.

If the ensign changes to Tac, then you have the Regent and D'Kora
If it changes to Sci, then you have the Galor
Swap the Lt Cmdr Tac with Lt Eng and you have the Galaxy

You are also obviously close to stepping on the toes of the Heavy Cruiser, Star Cruiser, Ambassador and

One option that is half-untaken is:

Cmdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Tac, Ensign Tac, Lt Cmdr Sci

However this can also be accomplished with the Tal Shiar Battlecruiser if one chooses a Tac Uni Ensign and Engi Uni Cmdr.

As for the Fleet layout, that is out of the question. This is a Cruiser and the Commander slot must be an Engineer.

tcostik · June 2013

Personally, I'd be okay with a T5 Connie having a universal commander. It'd be a smart move for Cryptic, since it'd open up the ship to players who want to use the ship, but aren't engineer oriented.

doffingcomrade · June 2013

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

One option that is half-untaken is:

Cmdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Tac, Ensign Tac, Lt Cmdr Sci

This ship exists, it's called the Amby.

ANY new version of this ship's hull stats (Turn) with ANY version of a layout that can or has been done already will outclass the previous ship. This would be pointless.

If you REALLY want to resurrect this hull, I propose the following:

Stats:
Fleet Cruiser Retrofit
Hull - 34,500
Shields - 1.0 (1.1 Fleet)
Turn:- 9
Weapons - 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Crew - 400
Consoles - 4 Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci
Devices - 3
Boff Stations:
LtC Tac, Cdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Sci, Ens Uni
CAN USE CANNONS

Good ship? Bad ship? That's up to you. You're the ones who keep nagging for this old/small hull to be fitted to modern standards. There's only so much you can do to it.

And give us:
Fleet Frigate Retrofit (Miranda)
Hull - 27000
Shields - 0.9
Turn:- 11
Weapons - 3 Fore, 2 Aft
Crew - 200
Consoles - 3 Tac, 4 Eng, 3 Sci
Devices - 2
Boff Stations:
Cdr Tac, Cdr Eng, Cdr Sci
CAN USE CANNONS

Good? Bad? It's new, and not outclassing any previously existing ship. We want our Miranda back.

alphaphasertech · June 2013

tcostik wrote: »

Also, why in the world does the Commander station change if you buy a fleet variant? I don't know of any other fed ships that do that. The boff changeout is too much. Leave it the same, and give it the standard +10% hull/console slot.

I believe the research science retro/fleet retro change consoles. or maybe it was the standard science. but I do know there is one, because I looked at the screen funny when I saw it.

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ussboleyn · June 2013

If they were to ever add this fleet ship I'd say it would probably have a boff set up more or less the same as the Galor, just like how the Fleet Assault has more or less the same set up as the D'kora.

mscowboy · June 2013

The Regent TECHNICALLY doesn't have the same set-up as the Dkora, since it swaps the science to universal. Obviously you'd only use it for science, but with that on the table the window is open for making more clone layouts that are 'unique' thanks to a stupid useless universal. Like, copy the Excelsior but make the tactical station universal and see if anyone is stupid enough to use it for anything else. The Galor('s most popular build) is still fair game since one of its stations are universal, and the new ship's wouldn't be.

trinitycompleted · June 2013

smokeybacon90 wrote: »

Retrofit Boff layout is the same as the Excelsior's. It will probably have to have something unique in order to exist. The problem is that it gets a bit crowded.

If the ensign changes to Tac, then you have the Regent and D'Kora
If it changes to Sci, then you have the Galor
Swap the Lt Cmdr Tac with Lt Eng and you have the Galaxy

You are also obviously close to stepping on the toes of the Heavy Cruiser, Star Cruiser, Ambassador and

One option that is half-untaken is:

Cmdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Tac, Ensign Tac, Lt Cmdr Sci

However this can also be accomplished with the Tal Shiar Battlecruiser if one chooses a Tac Uni Ensign and Engi Uni Cmdr.

As for the Fleet layout, that is out of the question. This is a Cruiser and the Commander slot must be an Engineer.

I'd say the easiest solution is to just move the "useless 3rd ensign BOFF slot" to universal.

lianthelia · June 2013

SO not only do you want that old rustbucket of a ship but you want that piece of junk to be the most powerful cruiser in the game? You connie fanbois are funny sometimes...

kiloace · June 2013

doffingcomrade wrote: »

This ship exists, it's called the Amby.

ANY new version of this ship's hull stats (Turn) with ANY version of a layout that can or has been done already will outclass the previous ship. This would be pointless.

If you REALLY want to resurrect this hull, I propose the following:

Stats:
Fleet Cruiser Retrofit
Hull - 34,500
Shields - 1.0 (1.1 Fleet)
Turn:- 9
Weapons - 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Crew - 400
Consoles - 4 Tac, 4 Eng, 2 Sci
Devices - 3
Boff Stations:
LtC Tac, Cdr Eng, Lt Eng, Lt Sci, Ens Uni
CAN USE CANNONS

Good ship? Bad ship? That's up to you. You're the ones who keep nagging for this old/small hull to be fitted to modern standards. There's only so much you can do to it.

And give us:
Fleet Frigate Retrofit (Miranda)
Hull - 27000
Shields - 0.9
Turn:- 11
Weapons - 3 Fore, 2 Aft
Crew - 200
Consoles - 3 Tac, 4 Eng, 3 Sci
Devices - 2
Boff Stations:
Cdr Tac, Cdr Eng, Cdr Sci
CAN USE CANNONS

Good? Bad? It's new, and not outclassing any previously existing ship. We want our Miranda back.

Not bad ideas. I like also the idea of a Retro frigate.

edalgo wrote: »

Only if the Galaxy retrofit, Galaxy-X, Fleet Galaxy, Fleet Galaxy-X get the same treatment

Fair enough. The galaxies seem shafted as they are.

tcostik wrote: »

Only that its the 300th or so thread asking for a T5 Connie.

It ain't the constitution.

chainfall · July 2013

tcostik wrote: »

Personally, I'd be okay with a T5 Connie having a universal commander. It'd be a smart move for Cryptic, since it'd open up the ship to players who want to use the ship, but aren't engineer oriented.

Not to mention that Spock was a science officer and the first officer.

khan5000 · July 2013

lianthelia wrote: »

SO not only do you want that old rustbucket of a ship but you want that piece of junk to be the most powerful cruiser in the game? You connie fanbois are funny sometimes...

While I would love for there to be a fleet cruiser retrofit I don't want it to be the most powerful cruiser.

dknight0001 · July 2013

I don't think any T1 or T2 vessels should get a Fleet version.

Fleet to me is the Frontline ships, The Nova is a flying science Lab (but has a Fleet version) the T2 Cruiser is a light patrol survey ship. Better than a Miranda but not by much.

These ships still exist, they are still in use by Star Fleet, they just aren't part of the Task Force they'd send against a significant threat.

The Romulans get both T1 & T2 ships as Fleet. Well technically the T1 is the T'Liss and not available at T5 which is the similar shaped T'Varo, I made my T2 look old. Which Brings us to the Klingon B'Rel. I'd be happy to lose the B'Rel model at T5, but B'Rels where still capable of going up against a Galaxy Class when we last saw them and Cryptic aren't going to make a new design for the Klingons. And neither the Klingons or Romulans combined get close to the Fed ship count let alone the 3+1 designs most fed ships get.

I don't know if the rumour about CBS just says no is true, But I know Cryptic aren't going to do it.

chance74 · October 2013

doffingcomrade wrote: »

This ship exists, it's called the Amby.
{snip}

You know, if they just let us have Exeter/Vespa/Excaliber model choices on the fleet amby, I'd be happy with that.

nymysys1 · October 2013

Have not read this thread, but have seen plenty like it since I started playing. Do not know if this has been said, but Cryptic set a precedent when they made fleet versions of the the Sci and Escort T2 retrofits, but I doubt they will follow through with the cruiser simply because the Connie refit parts are available for it.

I would understand that because of the whole CBS not wanting the Connie or its refit as an end game ship supposedly. However, if thats the case, why is there a T5 K'Tinga? Three of them are wiped in TMP, and it gets a T5, but the Connie refit does not? Furthermore, the K'Tinga is essentially the same hull as the D7 from TOS. So, a TOS era Klink hull (and a Vulcan hull older than that) gets a T5, but not the Feds? Guess the Klingons and Vulcans just make better ships!;)

matchstick606 · October 2013

just putting this out there but wouldn't the constitution class even as a fleet ship have far less hull then 37,000? I mean the ship is super small compared to other fleet cruisers and if i remember right the Excelsior addressed major problems like a very weak neck. If anything a fleet connie should have around 20,000 hull maybe a little more but nowhere near 37,000.

leethorogood · October 2013

I would like to start off by saying I am an unashamed fan of the Constitution Class (Refit) design (IMO probably the most beautiful starship design in the whole of trek!) however I must agree that it doesn't really belong in this game, certainly not at Tier 5! That said the Excalibur, Vesper & Exeter are IMO new classes of starship (and original cryptic content to boot) based on the shape of the Constitution Class rather than refits of the existing Constitution Class (Refit) design and as such do belong in this game, similar to how the Centaur Class and Nebula Class designs look like the Miranda Class design but are in fact completely new designs not refits!

IMO there should be a Tier 4 Cruiser Retrofit with the Vesper, Excalibur & (C-Store Purchase?) Exeter skin options. A Fleet Cruiser Retrofit would be nice but IMO is not essential! A Cruiser Retrofit would have stats along the lines of:

Hull: 30,700
Shield Modifier: 1.0
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Crew: 400
Turn Rate: 9
Impulse Modifier: 0.15
Inertia: 40
Devices: 4
Consoles:
Engineering: 4
Science: 2
Tactical: 3
Bridge Officers:
Engineering: 1xCmdr. 1xLt.
Science: 1xLt.
Tactical: 1xLt. Cmdr.

To be honest I wouldn't mind if they made the Cruiser Retrofit Tier 5 but with the above stats so that it was a nerfed Tier 5 ship! With the above stats I feel the ship would be viable at end game but at the same time it wouldn't be out performing the larger, newer & fleet cruisers! :cool:

With regards to the Galaxy Class as it's been mentioned I feel I should point out I am all for them getting a boost even though I am generally indifferent/not a fan of the design. Looking at their stats it's clear they've been shafted! How or why on Earth is a Galaxy Class out performed by a Excelsior Class?

Well I've said my bit, hopefully cryptic are paying attention and taking note of what's been said, until then I will just have to stick with my Tier 2 Exeter Class.

Official Un-official Fleet Cruiser Retrofit thread

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