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mirrorterranmirrorterran Member Posts: 423 Arc User
During the past year I believe I have reported ONE person to a GM. I just sent in my 4th report about that same person, who happens to be saying the most vile, racist, vulgar things in zone chat for all to see...so I find it hard to believe that others haven't sent in reports as well. It's so bad then even when I try to send in a report detailing what is said with NO profanity it's still blocked for it. So I send in a report without saying what was said. Pretty funny.

Yet nothing is done.

I will be sending in an email to cryptic as well. It's kind of ridiculous how much arm twisting it takes to get something done around here, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions as to how to get an actual reply from cryptic that they may actually possibly ponder doing something about this.

If this person isnt removed from the STO community there there is ZERO oversight concerning what is said in chat.

Which is why I am posting here.

Thank you for your replies.
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  • mn03mn03 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Is the ignore button bugged? If it's not, try to use it. :)
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    During the past year I believe I have reported ONE person to a GM. I just sent in my 4th report about that same person, who happens to be saying the most vile, racist, vulgar things in zone chat for all to see...so I find it hard to believe that others haven't sent in reports as well. It's so bad then even when I try to send in a report detailing what is said with NO profanity it's still blocked for it. So I send in a report without saying what was said. Pretty funny.

    Yet nothing is done.

    I will be sending in an email to cryptic as well. It's kind of ridiculous how much arm twisting it takes to get something done around here, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions as to how to get an actual reply from cryptic that they may actually possibly ponder doing something about this.

    If this person isnt removed from the STO community there there is ZERO oversight concerning what is said in chat.

    Which is why I am posting here.

    Thank you for your replies.


    Cryptic GM's will probably take action - it can take up to 48hrs on business days - and of course you will not be notified of the actions taken.


    That does not mean that nothing has been done.
  • mirrorterranmirrorterran Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    just because I can click ignore doesnt mean I want the vile this person is spreading to be seen by the rest of the community, including children.

    And like I say this has been ongoing for many many months. Whatever action has been taken in the past was a slap on the wrist at best. This needs to stop.
  • askrayaskray Member Posts: 3,329 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    During the past year I believe I have reported ONE person to a GM. I just sent in my 4th report about that same person, who happens to be saying the most vile, racist, vulgar things in zone chat for all to see...so I find it hard to believe that others haven't sent in reports as well. It's so bad then even when I try to send in a report detailing what is said with NO profanity it's still blocked for it. So I send in a report without saying what was said. Pretty funny.

    Yet nothing is done.

    I will be sending in an email to cryptic as well. It's kind of ridiculous how much arm twisting it takes to get something done around here, but I'm willing to listen to suggestions as to how to get an actual reply from cryptic that they may actually possibly ponder doing something about this.

    If this person isnt removed from the STO community there there is ZERO oversight concerning what is said in chat.

    Which is why I am posting here.

    Thank you for your replies.
    Every GM report is looked at and, if necessary, actions taken. As newromulan1 stated, you are not informed of those actions, however a perm ban is never the first thing that happens on these kind of situations. (Based off of my experience in other MMO's this isn't something I can state for certain.) If he/she keeps going by all means keep reporting them. Action will be taken if necessary. Trust me ;)

    You also have the option to ignore them as well if you just want to be rid of seeing that persons chat all together.
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  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    just because I can click ignore doesnt mean I want the vile this person is spreading to be seen by the rest of the community, including children.
    Personal crusades
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    Ignore feature is fine. Parents should be supervising children too young to be able to use it themselves.
    "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
  • onehappytapewormonehappytapeworm Member Posts: 106 Bug Hunter
    edited June 2013
    Personal crusades
    >

    Ignore feature is fine. Parents should be supervising children too young to be able to use it themselves.


    As a parent I agree. By all means report them, and then click ignore. Seems like your causing yourself unneeded stress by not ignoring him and then consistently reporting him. Do not use the line that you are protecting my children as to why your on the one man war to censor them.
  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Personal crusades
    >

    I agree with this. as annoying as some people can be, it is not anyone's job to get someone banned or worry about how the rest of the community views them. all you can do is take care of yourself.

    report then ignore and let everyone else make up their own mind. if this person is truly that bad they will eventually get their punishment. its not up to one person to become the moral centre for the whole community.
  • tanthotantho Member Posts: 10 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    just because I can click ignore doesnt mean I want the vile this person is spreading to be seen by the rest of the community, including children.

    And like I say this has been ongoing for many many months. Whatever action has been taken in the past was a slap on the wrist at best. This needs to stop.

    Well chances are you're one of the very few who are seeing it since anyone else with any sense at all has already clicked the IGNORE option.
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited June 2013
    I agree with this. as annoying as some people can be, it is not anyone's job to get someone banned or worry about how the rest of the community views them. all you can do is take care of yourself.

    report then ignore and let everyone else make up their own mind. if this person is truly that bad they will eventually get their punishment. its not up to one person to become the moral centre for the whole community.

    Definitely this- I can remember 1 time I got a warning - all I did was state in quotes a published gov't fact - but someone did not like it so they reported me. After that I avoid zone chat almost exclusively unless it is to help someone out. Best advise to anyone is to avoid zone chat - not much good there.
  • jonsillsjonsills Member Posts: 10,460 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Also, one of the many poorly-documented features of Cryptic Chat is that if you get a certain number of Ignores (or Report Spams), you will be automatically silenced in-game for 24 hours. You won't be able to use Chat, private messages - I'm not even sure if you're allowed to use the mail system during that suspension.

    Perhaps when you put him on Ignore, that'll be the final one needed to shut him up for at least a day. (Of course, since you've Ignored him, you'll never know...)
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  • voxinvictusvoxinvictus Member Posts: 261
    edited June 2013
    During the past year I believe I have reported ONE person to a GM. I just sent in my 4th report about that same person, who happens to be saying the most vile, racist, vulgar things in zone chat for all to see...so I find it hard to believe that others haven't sent in reports as well. It's so bad then even when I try to send in a report detailing what is said with NO profanity it's still blocked for it. So I send in a report without saying what was said. Pretty funny.

    Yet nothing is done.

    Yea, this is STO now. In spite of the supposed support from PWE and the money they're making, they can't afford to have real GMs on staff, so if it's a comment that might be vaguely related to EC-selling web sites, you'll get banned automatically, and if not, it's a free for all. If enough people report some one or ignore them, they get automatically silenced for 24 hours.

    Either way, a real person will never actually see that report, so the people who didn't do anything wrong get banned and the people who are vile and horrible are back the next day with no consequence.

    Look at the bigger picture here and it seems pretty obvious that this is a business decision. Some one has decided that they can have a script do most of the GM work for them, to cut back on CS costs (which are probably murder for a F2P game). I don't know if there's a point where they'd actually hire a real GM staff or if that's just impossible for this type of game, but either way it doesn't seem like what they want to do right now.


    IMO, you should simply put this "vile" person on your ignore list and go on with your life. Expecting "justice" to fall on them is just going to make you bitter, because it's probably not going to happen.

    I've found my in game experience to be much more enjoyable ever since I just started ignoring every single person who says something foul, or makes a "gorn" joke, or anything else that just gets on my nerves. Sure, my ignore list has dozens of names on it, but my zone chat is a lot smarter and less hectic.
  • cassianncassiann Member Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I agree with this. as annoying as some people can be, it is not anyone's job to get someone banned or worry about how the rest of the community views them. all you can do is take care of yourself.

    report then ignore and let everyone else make up their own mind. if this person is truly that bad they will eventually get their punishment. its not up to one person to become the moral centre for the whole community.
    As a parent I agree. By all means report them, and then click ignore. Seems like your causing yourself unneeded stress by not ignoring him and then consistently reporting him. Do not use the line that you are protecting my children as to why your on the one man war to censor them.

    In my personal opinion these are 2 of the reasins why things are wrong in the world.

    Where would we be without People like Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk these people were cursaders for what they believed in.

    I also believe the 2 people who were quoted here would be the first ones to say "WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING?" if they were the ones who's children were exposed to afore mentioned obscenities.
  • shaltorshaltor Member Posts: 72 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    After having played numerous MMO's, zone and local chat are one of the first things I turn off!
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited June 2013
    cassiann wrote: »
    In my personal opinion these are 2 of the reasins why things are wrong in the world.

    Where would we be without People like Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk these people were cursaders for what they believed in.

    I also believe the 2 people who were quoted here would be the first ones to say "WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING?" if they were the ones who's children were exposed to afore mentioned obscenities.

    First off, nobody here is gonna be the next Martin Luther King Jr., or Malcolm X, or Susan B. Anthony, or Harvey Milk. This is an MMO game, with a playerbase that's constantly in flux, moderated by a limited number of personnel. There will not be some crusade against racists, trolls, or whomever in this game. That's why we have the ignore button, and why the GMs do eventually notice the amount of complaints being made and take action.

    And if I had children too young to be exposed to said obscenities while playing this game, I would be monitoring their gameplay and ensuring that the profanity filter is kept on. In fact, I would take steps to just have the zone chat disabled, and make it clear to them that it should be kept disabled.
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  • makburemakbure Member Posts: 422 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    This could be legit, yes, but on the same note I wonder if someone's account got TRIBBLE..
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  • captainrevo1captainrevo1 Member Posts: 3,948 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    cassiann wrote: »
    In my personal opinion these are 2 of the reasins why things are wrong in the world.

    Where would we be without People like Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk these people were cursaders for what they believed in.

    I also believe the 2 people who were quoted here would be the first ones to say "WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING?" if they were the ones who's children were exposed to afore mentioned obscenities.

    Martin Luther king? Lets get a little perspective here shall we. this is not about peoples personal freedoms or civil rights. we are talking about someone being a supposed jerk by one person definition in a game. they can easily be ignored and reported by anyone and everyone if they choose.


    and no, I would not cry and complain. I would raise my son or daughter not to overreact to every little thing they saw on the net and to pity the stupid. sometimes people say things that insult someone else. being offended by something is just that. you were offended. no one died. no one was injured. your feelings were hurt. that's it.

    if you spend your life being upset by it then you might as well never leave your bedroom. report it, ignore it and move on.
  • ussweatherlightussweatherlight Member Posts: 16 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    In my personal opinion these are 2 of the reasins why things are wrong in the world.

    Where would we be without People like Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk these people were crusaders for what they believed in.

    I also believe the 2 people who were quoted here would be the first ones to say "WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING?" if they were the ones who's children were exposed to afore mentioned obscenities.

    Dude, I think I'm gonna put you on ignore. You want to go on some personal political/social crusade and be everyone's white knight, do it on a forum I don't pay for. I have no desire to have you speak for me, or think that somehow your judgment is better than mine when it comes to my kid.
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    "if you tolerate this , your children will be next"

    anyone NOT on a crusade to protect is part of the problem
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  • mirrorterranmirrorterran Member Posts: 423 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    As the OP I appreciate the comments....
    but just to be clear here I'm not concerned with vulgarity or profanity in general.

    I have to tread lightly how I phrase this considering how my reports get blocked when I try to describe the offenders comments.

    This person repeatedly, over many months, describes how he is glad certain ethnic groups were gassed and burned in ovens, and others hung from trees.

    If this is the kind of chat that you find acceptable here than I think there's nothing left to discuss.
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  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    OP you should try TOR, I've been away and just resubbed after 18 months away and I've never turned chat off in that game or needed to, I'm also on one of the busier servers, since I've been back I've received help from various other players in the community while in game (while I'm sure they had their own missions to be doing) in helping me to understand all the new gear sets, commendations (marks) and which missions, raids and dailies to do to get geared up and no one's given me a hard time. And Bioware are a lot more faithful to SW then Cryptic are to ST, the federation's killed more people in STO then the third reich did.
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  • terence12terence12 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    americans are used to free speech

    so euros will have a cow

    no big deal
  • mcconnamcconna Member Posts: 255 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    cassiann wrote: »
    In my personal opinion these are 2 of the reasins why things are wrong in the world.

    Where would we be without People like Martin Luther King, Malcom X, Susan B. Anthony, Harvey Milk these people were cursaders for what they believed in.

    I also believe the 2 people who were quoted here would be the first ones to say "WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE DO SOMETHING?" if they were the ones who's children were exposed to afore mentioned obscenities.

    Comparing real life situations of discrimination to online gaming trolls who merely (at the best) can hurt your feelings? Not a very good comparison, at the very least insulting to the people you listed.
  • terence12terence12 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    yep

    and what if i think martin luther was a liar dolt idiot

    or the others

    i mean, i can say "i hate ghandi" - and beleive it , no law agin it

    makes no sense- "i get to choose who is good and what to think is right" and if a gamer says not then they are wrong and bad
  • millimidgetmillimidget Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If this is the kind of chat that you find acceptable here than I think there's nothing left to discuss.
    No one said it was socially acceptable, just that there's a perfectly functioning ignore feature, and that if your child is too young to use that ignore feature then they're too young to play unsupervised.

    Besides, with today's craptastic teaching standards, the Holocaust is taught with less depth than ever, where it's taught at all. This is a great opportunity to step in and teach your child some history; that's a valuable skill for you to possess, because I can assure you, unless you're paying tens of thousands a year in private school, they're probably not learning enough about it in the first place.
    "Tolerance and apathy are the last virtues of a dying society." - Aristotle
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  • sollvaxsollvax Member Posts: 4 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    right lets get a few things straight

    the right to Free speech has been abused from day one
    and does NOT apply in the game (or on this forum)

    for example if I were to say thats "fleet x are a bunch of jerks"
    I would see the post deleted and get told off

    same in game

    As to protecting children I want to protect them from bad language
    Racism
    homophobia
    Hetrophobia
    Religious hatred
    And Sexual references of any kind
    (also the worst of the Gorn jokes)

    Meanwhile some people (no names) exist to break the universe

    By the way the fake video on You tube isn't me
    its a fake same as the bug ship deletions and the so called bigfoot
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  • redsnake721redsnake721 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    sollvax wrote: »
    "if you tolerate this , your children will be next"

    anyone NOT on a crusade to protect is part of the problem


    lol. nice troll, sollvax has spoken!!!!
  • syberghostsyberghost Member Posts: 1,711 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    However, I believe the things he is saying may constitute a crime, at least in the UK it would be seen as incitement to racial hatred, this is a criminal offence whether it is spoken in the streets or via social media. If you really wanted to crusade against this idiot then you can take the necessary screenshots and forward them to the police who will take action if they can.

    Exactly; if you believe somebody is committing a crime, report it to the police. If they need more information from PWE, they'll contact PWE, and PWE's legal department will provide that information.

    If you're reporting somebody's chat and then not ignoring them, you're doing it wrong. Report then ignore.
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  • terence12terence12 Member Posts: 67 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lol

    yeah, be a narc for the brits

    lol

    don;t give a rats TRIBBLE what the druid laws say

    mi5 and sas are girlscouts cpompared to the CIA!

    freedom of speech
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