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relshar
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Just watched the JJ Abrams movie of Star Trek. One question now. Why do we have a Vulcan home world in the game seeing its been destroyed ?
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Also, we have less lens flare.
that is incorrect, pike was captain of the enterprise before kirk took command. The JJ alternate time line has nothing to do with the mirror universe. It is simply an alternate timeline.
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Ahem. This is why the whole idea of two canon's is a monumentally stupid idea.
I'm just glad you didn't start this thread by saying "So I just saw Into Darkness, wouldn't it be great if we could get the USS Vengeance in this game?"
No. No it would not.
The simple answer is that this game is not based on the events of the JJ Abrams "reboot", because for any self-respecting Star Trek fan the events of those films should probably be considered non-canon, and that Spock and Nero simply died when they fell into that black hole.
Let's not open that can of worms, either. It's an official Star Trek movie, and even has Leonard Nimoy -- it's canon, just an alternate timeline.
Let it go.
You spelt sanctimonious wrong there buddy. Just because you can't deal with the new Star Trek movies, don't go around pretending you are somehow a paragon of Trek virtue. You are not.
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Never said I was.
All i'm saying is that two canon's is stupid and the reason why we get people pitching up here and asking "Why are things like X if Y happened in the Abrams film?". As I say - while perhaps it shouldn't be considered non-canon - somewhere there should be a big-TRIBBLE disclaimer that says "From here on out, nothing that happens in the JJ films will affect this game." And a disclaimer that people can understand, at that.
And if the JJPrize or the USS Vengeance do appear in this game, I will gladly be the first in like to eat my own foot.
There are narrations by Leonard Nimoy in the game to help clue people in about the story, and there's an arc based around the Hobus supernova that destroyed Romulus -- if people can't figure it out from what's already here, then I doubt they'd have enough cognition to read some disclaimer.
Where would you even put it that people would read it? Every time you launch the game, should it say "Reminder: This has jack-all to do with the bulk of Abrams's movies"?
Eh. It couldn't hurt.
A reboot is not bound to what was canon before, a reMAKE would be.
Abrams' Star Trek is NOT a remake of Roddenberry's Star Trek, but a reboot. Abrams basically started all over, that's freedom of artists. Roddenberry had his own style, and so has Abrams. He is dealing more in visuals and action (and he is doing just fine in not offending Trek-fans more than necessary with it). It's a basically new flow of events, some of them being new, some of them being altered but known to us fans.
I wouldn't prefer Abrams' canon over the Roddenberry-canon, but it's better than a) nothing or b) Rick Berman in charge of a Star Trek movie.
If you want to scrap Star Trek movies, scrap V, VII, VIII, IX and X. Because those are the BAD ones.
V = Shatner was too much in charge. I personally found the movie funny and entertaining, but in parts it was just ridiculously written. From dialogues to screenplay.
VII = not only very boring because not much happens here except for the Enterprise-D's destruction, there are many many logical errors and insults to working brains included in this movie.
Note: Data's emotions chip has been FUSED into his neural net, but in Star Trek IX Laforge says he didn't take the emotions chip with him.
VIII = Picard resolved all his problems with Borg throughout the later seasons of TNG. He could have killed the entire collective if he would've given the order, but he realized Borg are a life-form that also just does what it knows to do for survival (mostly the renegade borg or those not linked with the collective, but he takes the risk). Also stupid screenplay in several ways, also very dumb dialog in several moments. Even more logical flaws. Yes. The movie is for some reason beloved by all fans, but except for the beauty of the shiny new Enterprise there is nothing good in there.
IX = oh... oh that one... yeah... No. I don't even want to talk about it. If you watch "Journey's end" and then "Insurrection" you see two very different Picards (again). And that holo-ship... you know... and all that talk about prime directive although the Ba'ku already once had warp-technology that's just been hidden so a scan would've detected it.... NOOOO logic here.
X = ... at least they had a movie-writing team this time. But not a good one. Every single cast member didn't remember how to play the characters from TNG at all. Data dies just for nothing but the fact that Picard didn't think of beaming WORF to the Scimitar so he could die with glory and honor for saving the Enterprise-crew from certain death.
Incomplete, Pike was the second to captain the Enterprise, beforehand came Captain Robert April.
The problem is is that Abrams - generally speaking - is pretty average for a filmmaker. And this comes out in his movies. For example, there's a great scene in Into Darkness which could have functioned as a great homage to an earlier film, but was ultimately ruined by someone deciding to throw in a pop-culture reference that Trekkies would get a chuckle out of.
Don't get me wrong - they're not bad because they're bad - hell, they kept me interested for 90 minutes or so. But personally, I left thinking "Well that wasn't bad. But it didn't feel like Star Trek." They're bad because they're pretty bland. It's basically "let's do it all again, but only slightly different." I mean, say what you like about stuff like Generations and Insurrection, at least they were mildly original movies.
Plus Star Trek I & Star Trek III are all kinds of TRIBBLE.
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Pike was Capt only in the Pilot episode after which he was replaced by Jim Kirk, and Rob April was even before all that.
As for Mirror, if you read what I said you'd noticed I used Mirror as another example of alternate universe/timeline cause another timeline is and can be considered alternate dimension depending on 'infinite universe theory'.
The Trek Movies by Abrams feel more like Star Trek than Generations, First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis did.
Yep. The two movies have their bad moments made for mass-audience appeal so that non-trekkies might also like the movies, but that's necessary to get the money spent for movie-production back. It's a BUSINESS, okay!? If you make something that costs you alot of money, you are forced to make it back and hope for making some profit too.
And... Abrams - for being "average" - has shown that he doesn't just blindly copy stuff. He takes what works, reverse-engineers it and writes his own story of it. That's smart, not average.
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alternate have different settings, it could be timeline or something isn't same type of reality.
Mirror universe is where all the "reverse reality", they may have their own alternative versions too. all just opposite events.
similar idea to DC's comic "matter/anti-matter' universe where we have Superman as good guy and Ultraman in anti-matter universe are evil, both are same person, same for "Batman > Owlman", Wonder Woman > Amazonia, and Teen Titans could have been "Teen Tyrants" if they made copyrighted.
Cryptic have other game as Infinity Crisis", and that explain as alternative universe as Gothic setting "nightmare universe" and Jules Vern's theme known as high tech 18th century settings.
okay, as for STO, the rift been open for Terran Empire.
but who is Capt Robert April?
just curious about "Enterprise", isn't Capt Jonathan Archer a first captian? was that same ship? Enterprise or Enterprise-1701-A?
I am confused now with ST:tNG with ship series, with Enterprise D, it was destroyed few times.
or it was types of "retro-fit"?
Archer was the Captain of the NX-01 which was Berman's and Braga's answer to the Star Wars prequels and that answer failed as much as the Star Wars prequels to the hardcore-fans.
We are talking about the NCC-1701, the original Enterprise.
Robert April was originally the first captain. Then it was Pike, and then Kirk.
In the new movies it's been Pike and Kirk only.
It's not just these films though. His entire repetoire is average.
Stuff like Super 8 was okay but there missed opportunities in there, where it could have been the sort of film to stand on par with E.T. or The Goonies. Instead it just ends up as a fairly generic monster film, playing heavily on the Cloverfield style of "lets show as little of the monster as possible to ramp up the tension" And that would work if he hadn't already done it in Cloverfield. Or in Lost.
It's just a little dissapointing to know that the Star Trek franshise - and now the Star Wars one too - is in the hands of a guy who is at best average in his filmmaking, relying on stuff he's already used in the past over and over again and assuming it's not going to get old.
Sure, he's reinventing Star Trek, but he's not reinventing the way he makes movies and TV.
Just for clarification, it's not two canons. It's two timelines in the same canon. And it's just two of many timelines that exist within the same canon.
I know I'm being nitpicky there, but felt the need to clarify, because we have Mirror Universe items in this game, so I'm not really sure how having stuff from JJ's alternate timeline would be any more or less a break from continuity than having Mirror items. All three exist in the same continuity. Why is having one okay, but having the other not?
Because the mirror universe runs parallel to the "Prime" universe. So while it's 2409 here, it's 2409 in the Mirror Universe too. And at some point, it'll be 2409 in the JJVerse too, but so far all the stuff we've seen in the JJVerse stems from circa 2260.
So yeah, it could logically happen. But it'd be really, really silly if it were to do so.
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