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Why Call for Science?

jestersagejestersage Member Posts: 8 Arc User
I noticed on many KDF and Romulan forums, I read a lot of "not enough science vessels".

As it is not my playstyle (my style as a Fed is more like dash in gun ablazing and tank through the attack, while on KDF I captain a Mirror Vo'quv as a circulating gunship that is load up on heals for tanking), I would like to know why there are so much call for "More Science.

In other words, what are the style of Science vessels, and what are the benefits.
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  • ursusmorologusursusmorologus Member Posts: 5,328 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Science vessels typically have the following attributes (some variation but not much):

    * Commander and Lt. Commander science BOFF stations for lots of high-level spells
    * 3 fore, 3 aft weapons (weak DPS)
    * Sensor Analysis built-in damage booster (damage increases the longer you keep focus on a target)
    * Subsystem Targeting Attacks (Target Engine Subsystem, Target Shield Subsystem, etc).
    * 9-13 turn-rate, between escort and cruiser (although KDF battlecruiser are in the same area)

    Think about your carrier, take away the pets, add another Sci BOFF, and double the turn-rate.

    Feds are the only faction that have multiple sci ships to choose from--two free in the main faction, couple of cheap mirror ships, and a couple of c-store varients. KDF has no free sci ships (carriers arent the same thing) and only has c-store varients. Romulans have a free one and a mirror varient, but nothing else really.

    Sci can fly anything really, but is able to fully leverage the crowd control magics in a science ship that provides lots of BOFF stations and consoles, and has subsystem targeting for turning off shields/engines, and has sensor analysis to boost the weak DPS
  • kwiat007kwiat007 Member Posts: 144 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    My main is a sci in a sci ship and I too don't understand why people want more sci ships, considering the condition of sci is in the game right now.
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  • zarathos1978zarathos1978 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    It's Klink version of Fed moaning for cloak/consoles. We want(ed) cloak and cheese consoles, Klinks want sci.

    BTW - sci are "special" side of Feds just as much as cloak is part of KDF. Everything else is more or less even, Now Klinks moan and beg for sci while swearing that Feds cannot get cloak or some console cause it will ruin game diversity.

    And I generally agree and no, I do not want cloak. I'm against it in the for it currently is for all factions outside of dedicated ships like BoP. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in Klinks.
  • ruminate00ruminate00 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Personally, I'm looking for more of a Vesta or Atrox style of sci vessels. Every other sci vessel is dubious at best. The great thing about the Vesta and Atrox is that you can divert some/most/all power to auxiliary and not lose out horribly on damage thanks to hangars, or in the case of the Vesta, hangars and aux cannons.

    If Cryptic ever gets around to buffing sci shield drain, we might see regular sci vessels turn into definitive torpedo boats, but until then, i'd rather have future sci vessels with aux weaponry and/or hangars.
  • pyryckpyryck Member Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Dedicated Science ships enhance the Science career by providing more tools and mechanics in support of their somewhat magickal abilities.

    Cruisers provide the Engineering career with the optimum ship hull for an Engineer to shine.

    Escorts provide the maneuverability that allows a Tactical officer to point their abilities in the right direction quickly.

    While there are plenty of Science-based ships for the Feds, the KDF and Romulans lack the number and options of ships for Science skippers to enjoy.
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Most people arren't aware of the benefits of Science vessels and Captains.

    They are the "Mages" of STO due to copying of the standard fantasy MMO.

    As such, Science ships automatically have the 4 Beam Target Powers built in.

    They are also basically Light Cruisers with higher Hull and Shields than Escorts while simultaniously being "slow" Escorts with movement far faster than Cruisers.

    Sci Captains weld an amazing array of spells to hold, debuff and confuse their opponents.

    Most Sci ships need not even mount weapons with this configuration.
  • marc8219marc8219 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    Well the Romulans do have one of the best sci ship in the game now, but it takes a t5 shipyard. The Fleet Hanom has 5 sci consoles, battlecloak, can use DHC and still gets all the other sci ship features like sensor analyisis and subsystem targeting.
    Too bad KDF has nothing like it, but Feds get the Vesta which is similar since it can also use DHC and get 5 sci consoles on the sci version.

    While not full sci ships the Voquv and Brel are also great as they have abilities that synergize a lot with sci, the EBC lets you use those sci abilities cloaked on the B'rel, and Voquv pets can help your draining or shield stripping or control.
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  • alikainalikain Member Posts: 348 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    marc8219 wrote: »
    Well the Romulans do have one of the best sci ship in the game now, but it takes a t5 shipyard. The Fleet Hanom has 5 sci consoles, battlecloak, can use DHC and still gets all the other sci ship features like sensor analyisis and subsystem targeting.
    Too bad KDF has nothing like it, but Feds get the Vesta which is similar since it can also use DHC and get 5 sci consoles on the sci version.

    While not full sci ships the Voquv and Brel are also great as they have abilities that synergize a lot with sci, the EBC lets you use those sci abilities cloaked on the B'rel, and Voquv pets can help your draining or shield stripping or control.

    Still you can't compare the Romulans Sci ship to the vesta. The vesta aux DHC make its more Superior to the T5 Romulans Sci. Until we start getting all aux weapons on Sci ships I will never be happy about the true performance of Sci ships. Since all mob ships come with EPt E 3 which makes our Gravity well Useless.
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  • srafaoraspsrafaorasp Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    I would like a romulan Sci Ship that i can get with my VA token.
    there is no VA Romulan sci ship with a Commander Sci slot available with my VA token.
  • timezargtimezarg Member Posts: 1,268
    edited June 2013
    It's Klink version of Fed moaning for cloak/consoles. We want(ed) cloak and cheese consoles, Klinks want sci.

    BTW - sci are "special" side of Feds just as much as cloak is part of KDF. Everything else is more or less even, Now Klinks moan and beg for sci while swearing that Feds cannot get cloak or some console cause it will ruin game diversity.

    And I generally agree and no, I do not want cloak. I'm against it in the for it currently is for all factions outside of dedicated ships like BoP. Just pointing out the hypocrisy in Klinks.

    From my perspective (as a KDF-only player), the KDF are sorta owed a stronger science (or even escort) class due to the Federation having gained access to the carrier class. You know, the class that used to be a cool KDF exclusive?
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  • lordgyorlordgyor Member Posts: 2,820 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    If Science is Mages and Cruisers Clerics, given the strong mix of Sci and Eng power in my fleet corsair, plus hanger, does that make my Fleet Corsair a Druid? ;D
  • thlaylierahthlaylierah Member Posts: 2,987 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    lordgyor wrote: »
    If Science is Mages and Cruisers Clerics, given the strong mix of Sci and Eng power in my fleet corsair, plus hanger, does that make my Fleet Corsair a Druid? ;D

    No, that just makes Cryptic lazy for copying WoW.
  • zarathos1978zarathos1978 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2013
    timezarg wrote: »
    From my perspective (as a KDF-only player), the KDF are sorta owed a stronger science (or even escort) class due to the Federation having gained access to the carrier class. You know, the class that used to be a cool KDF exclusive?


    You have Varanus support. It's equivalent of DSSV so most sci out of sci ships in Federation. Sure, it is C-Store ship, but Fed carriers are also C-Store. Ok, we got half-assed escort carrier in form of retrofited Akira, but then you have BoP that can be configured as sci so no harm here.

    I don't quite see your point. You want free RA sci ship? We want free RA-level Battlecruisers.
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