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which is better: Jem Hadar attack ship vs Tal'shiar adapted Destroyer?
daggar0th
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I am currently an avid lover of escort / destroyer style vessels, with my tactical and primary character.
Currently I am using the Breen warship that became available during the last winter event to great effect, however I am wondering if there is currently something better out there.
I have currently been saving for a Jem Hadar attack ship as I have been told that they are pretty much the best you can get when it comes to high damage and high maneuverability in such a tiny ship. However with the recent expansion they released the Tal'Shiar adapted destroyer, and it looks to be very powerful and much more within my current price range than the jem hadar attack ship. so I am hoping someone out there has done a detailed comparison between the two and perhaps even has both and can tell me which is simply the superior ship when it comes to putting out damage and being able to survive long enough in solo and STF mission style combat to dish out the damage longer.
any and all information to assist in the comparison of these two fine ships would be greatly appreciated.
Currently I am using the Breen warship that became available during the last winter event to great effect, however I am wondering if there is currently something better out there.
I have currently been saving for a Jem Hadar attack ship as I have been told that they are pretty much the best you can get when it comes to high damage and high maneuverability in such a tiny ship. However with the recent expansion they released the Tal'Shiar adapted destroyer, and it looks to be very powerful and much more within my current price range than the jem hadar attack ship. so I am hoping someone out there has done a detailed comparison between the two and perhaps even has both and can tell me which is simply the superior ship when it comes to putting out damage and being able to survive long enough in solo and STF mission style combat to dish out the damage longer.
any and all information to assist in the comparison of these two fine ships would be greatly appreciated.
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hope this helps.
Imo the Jem'hadar attack ship is still the best escort in game.
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So what about the destroyer?
Its also strongly geared towards tactical abilities, but does include a universal position or two which is nice. 1 less tactical console and engineering console, which goes to science. The loss of a tactical console is countered by the fact that this ship has sensor analysis which after a time boosts damage to your target up to 33.3%. Comes with the shrapnal torpedos which some people are not happy with, because of its minor damage vs shielded targets and long cooldown. Its about a 4min cooldown, and while its true its weak vs shields, unshielded targets take plenty of damage, and this ability can be boosted by your tactical damage boosting abilities (tactical team, attack pattern alpha, omega etc). Not very effective vs multiple targets though, as the torpedos spread out the attack and damage to all ships within degree range.Also comes with the adapted warp core which features bonus aux power, and 7.5% of aux power goes to weapons power as free bonus. Also allows super fast sector space speed. When you use the console torpedo and the warp core together, the ship has improved hull regernation. When you use the console from the other adapted ship as well, all your agrresive science attacks (besides warp plasma for example) does additional damage by throwing a radiation cloud on your enemy. I use tractor beams, so now my tractor also adds a radiation cloud. the cluods damage is based on aux level.
SO! Jem Hadar vs Tal Shiar.
I'd be inclined to give it to the jem hadar, for the super turn rate, and extra tactical and engineering console. Yes sensor analaysis can become more powerful then 1 tactical console, but can also be avoided by jaming sensors occsionally which resets the stacks of sensor analysis. Also while the Tal Shiar adaped borg warp core is decent, there ARE somewhat better warp cores avaliable, and the speed bonus can still be obtained by using the borg set, or another extra fast engines like the maco. That being said, its definetly a better warp core then any other ship comes with stock. All this being said, for the price point the Tal Shiar is probably a better deal. You could likely get both Tal Shiar ships for the price of the Jem Hadar attack ship.
But I still love my Defiant.:)
PvE, they're almost two different ships. The Destroyer is more Science leaning, with its auxiliary boosting warp core and a LCdr Science Slot. The Bug is a tactical ship through and through. The Destroyer you're going to get a bit more survivability when you just sit and gun in STFs without moving. The Bug Ship is going to pour more dps down.
escorts should do damage and defiants with emabassy crtH boffs or andorian escorts are better at that dps than the bug ship.Yes you can put a third tac boff on the bug but it will be way more useless than a defiant or a andorian escort.
as everyone is doing spike damage after decloak defiant is better for pvp ,at least if you pug in cnh
however, if you enjoyed the breen ship, as do i, the adapted destroyer is imho a step up atleast for pve.
cloak, sensor analasys (idk if that actually stacks up while cloaked...that would be OP)
i'd personally set it up like a MVAE, even get a BO2 or 3 for decloaking mayhem
i hear the shrapnel torpedo console is TRIBBLE, can anybody confirm or disprove that?
i suggest you wait 1 month until you buy an adapted destroyer, they will surely drop another 10-15 million.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Ha%27feh_Assault_Warbird
Boff stations of a patroll escort.
Console layout of a defiant.
Hull and shields of a fleet patroll.
And battle cloak.(if thats something you like.)
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yeah statwise a real beast...that said, it is monstrous! I know beauty lies in the eye of the beholder, but lets be honest, it is a winged TRIBBLE.
srsly, one massive winged TRIBBLE...yet no considerable penalty for being big as a carrier.
turnrate of 16?
So romulans must have a revolutionary new sublight propolsion system, yet they ignore to upgrade other massive ships with it.
this ship should have a turnrate of 10 or 11 at most
the valdore should have had this setup...or some other smaller escort design.
It's not even close to being as nice to fly as the bug though, I've got one and use it on my rom.
It's huge, the inertia is strangely high for something with such a high turn rate, it's ugly as sin and a bit of a handfull to fly.
It's so big it really distorts the perspective when you're flying it, I tend to play quite far zoomed out - and with this ship I keep noticing my cannons aren't firing even though I'm in the firing arc.
Then I zoom right in, and it's 40 degrees to my right and 5km below me - not immediately in front like I thought it was. Never had an issue with a ship or piloting like this yet, it probably just takes some getting used to.
I'll tell you though, nothing beats the JHAS for pure flying fun, 'cept maybe a shuttle.
Kirk's Protege.
There's a new contender for fun... try the fleet T'varo, 18 degrees turn, nice boffs layout and battle cloak
I prefer the mobius to everything so far mentioned in the thread - save the JHAS since I don't own one and can't say.
Good luck with whatever your choice may be, Cheers!
Combine that with the right build and you've got a death machine.
On the other hand if you want to mix things up a bit the Adapted Destroyer is nice, i use it with both consoles and enjoy that ship is well. They are both equally fun.
For overall dmg potential and quickest movement I would give the edge to the JHAS.
For more of a support dps ship that has some science tricks in it I would give the edge to the adapted destroyer. Each ship has ENTIRELY different setups and are flown differently.
Now as to which one I fly more....currently the adapted destroyer but if my fleet needs some serious pain given in fleet mark events i fly my JHAS.