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joshl7889
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I thought that we were able to access our allied factions mirror universe ships or did i miss read something. Because i have reached Subadmiral and got me a mirror star cruiser, but it wont let me use it. wat gives?
*Me*Why don't you just step away from the weapons console. You and I both know that you couldn't hit that cube, even if it was right in front of us.
*Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us.
*Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
*Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us.
*Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
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The MU Starcruiser is of Tier 5 however.
In the real world, the U.S. military (and its contractors) are willing to sell even the latest and greatest weapons to allies ... if our allies can afford them.
So, if we're going to have the alliance system we might as well give Romulans access to all the best ships and consoles for whatever faction they are allied to.
Unfortunately, that would make it very hard to justify playing as a FED or KDF toon, because you could just play ROM and then pick the ally you want (then you have access to all the ROM ships and all the ally stuff), so it probably makes sense to limit ROM access to ally stuff.
On that note, it would make even more sense to just make the ROM faction it's own faction with its own starbases rather than being tied to FED or KDF fleets.
Don't believe the lies in this forum. I am NOT an ARC user. I play STO on Steam or not at all.
How about, there'd be no point in rolling a new Fed or KDF char when you can just roll a Romulan and have access to Romulan AND KDF/Fed ships while the other two can only fly their own ships?
*Junior Tactical Officer* But sir the cube IS right in front of us.
*Me* EXACTLY! Its right in front of us and you still missed it! Just step away from the console.
unfortunately, all Rear Admiral and Vice Admiral (and their KDF equivilants. Lt and Big general if i remember correctly.) are all classified as Tier 5 ships.
however, ships like the Jem Hadar (all three), galor, D'Kora and Adapted Tal'shiar ships are all accessibile to Romulans. rumor has it they are also adding in Romulan Timeships.
So romulans have access to more than 7-8 ships..... its FACTION SPECIFIC lockbox ships they dont have access to.
http://sto.gamepedia.com/Lieutenant#Rank_Progression
is that so complicated?
Or from Dev Blog 9:
I think that is explicit enough.
My opinion, they should not have access to any of the ships
My heart bleeds for them though I'm sure they'd miss the dilithium from their new green blooded overlords and cave. Besides, from what I understand some fleets will sell fleet ships to people for crazy low prices. It's not like these fleet leaders hold all the power in their hands.
I'd think trying out the content from each respective faction would be enough motivation to want to play a Fed or KDF character. If there is a shortage of content, well that's Cryptic's problem to solve.
Oh well, as soon as the romulan content runs dry I'll be ditching my Romulan character. I can't justify investing time and money in a single character that can't be set up the way I'd like to play.
That is a question I would ask myself and a lot of people would ask themselves it as well.
If Romulans had all the stuff from their ally the only reason not to go Romulan faction would be to play some unique story missions the other sides have and to play as a character from a species Romulans faction don't have like a Orion or Andorian.
The game is better like it is then if Romulans could get all the stuff from their allies. Also in the shows the Klingons and Federation have been allies and they did not give each other the best of their technology and ships so it would make no sense in that aspect to start doing it in the game with Romulans and their allies.
I pick a side and the max level of ship I can fly as a Romluan is T4? Either bought in game or via the store for real money ?
I play a Klingon or Fed and can fly all the Tiers from the game and store ?
Why not just make the Romulans a faction on their own with missions to help colonize and rebuild on the new planet? This is a cheap cop out by Cryptic.
I have no idea what you people go on about with this for. If you want to fly a FED ship at Tier 5 roll a FED toon maybe.
Herp a derp.
"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
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T1-T4 ships are just for consoles.
Your Ally...you can buy the ship and have the console available for any toon of that faction or any Rom aligned with that faction.
Not Your Ally...you can try your luck with Lockboxes or buy them off the Exchange - for each and every toon. Not all consoles are currently available to the "enemy" faction.
Because as a Rom, you still have to choose one side or the other.
No idea? Trying thinking a little. This is a role-playing game, herp a derp. Cripes, STO needs more of an Elder Scrolls mindset.
Federation
Klingon
Romulan
Now see that wasn't that hard was it? The ONLY things romulans should have access to are lower tier ship consoles, not even the ships, just the consoles.
As has been said, if you want fed stuff play your FED, same with KDF and ROM.
This is what happens when some Dev hyped up on too many energy drinks thinks it's a good idea to let fed/kdf fly around in alien ships.....suddenly everyone wants everything.
Yep I mean whats next Fed and Klingon players want to fly Romulan ships oh wait they can with the Tal Shiar ships. Yes they don't have battle cloaks and don't have singularity cores and they look ugly after adding Borg technology to them but they are still Romulan ships.
The factions need to be more unique not less by having the ability to use all ships from another faction. I am glad the Romulans don't have the ability to use tier 5 ships from their allies.
As someone earlier in the thread mentioned, there should not have been allied ship use for the Romulans at all.
Besides, I'm expecting there to be more Romulan ships to gouge the Romulan playerbase with in the future. I'm expecting that to be a Scimitar as a Carrier.
Some little kids can't seem to handle the answer of: NO.
Okay, how about a non-arbitrary limit:
Romulans get Romulan ships only.
Just like Starfleet and KDF only get their own respective ships.
Happy now?
The devs know that the rep system grind sucks, so they had to offer an incentive for some to rerole.
Personally, the type of people that wanted to role a Romulan, would not care about such things anyway.
In my case, it helped immensely as I did not have to pilot that god awful D'Deridex, and instead flew my cstore Raptor
But to be fair, Fed/KDF toons should also have acces to tier1-4 Romulan ships. Of course, some of the consoles from those are strictly usable in a singularity-powered ship, so not as useful for their allies as the Fed/KDF consoles are for Romulans. But still, its the principle of it, they should have equal access.
You called it true. The very point, from a player's perspective, of having the alliances is the ability to use faction equipment. Very much as the real world allies of real world Powers can and do use equipment from their benefactors.
In my personal opinion, the alliances were most likely implemented to avoid recoding the pvp sub-games and to prevent population shift from affecting the existing factions and their large fleets, which have always been pampered. Of course, it also promotes sales of (Tal'Shiar Lockbox) Keys and C-Store designs. So there you have it, in my opinion, the trifecta of possible rationale for the decisions which were made.
The ability to use tier 1-4 ally ships is, in a word, useless. Doubly so as Romulan captains are not given tokens for ally ships. If I wanted to fly a Miranda, for example, it would cost me a hefty chunk of dilithium, and I'd have to be crazier than I actually am to spend it. It can be concluded, as many here have, that the sole purpose for this ability is to give Romulan captains access to ally faction consoles, which unlike the ships are useful (to the extent they are useful at all) for more than the eyeblink you spend going from 1-40.
The only compensation for Romulan Captains being forced effectively into their choice of a second faction (for the apparent purpose of limiting the difficulty of the herculean task of rolling out a whole new faction by not actually doing that) was to be access to that faction's duty officers, bridge officers, facilities, and ships. This negates the last (and most important) portion of that.
I'm not sure exactly when the "only useless ally ships will be available" choice was made, but I missed it at first and was saddened to finally learn of it.
If the Romulans were a real faction, I could see limiting them only to their own ships (and no, t1-4 ships with no tokens don't count.) They're not. They're a client species of the KDF or Federation, and should get the perks of that status along with the requirements.
I'm not sure it does. Limiting a person's options doesn't usually inspire him to spend money. I can see the argument, I'm just not sure it holds.
Allowing T1-4 ally ships to be used allows players who own lower tier ships from those allies to claim the ship and take the console form it, or just use the ship if they want.
Allowing Romulans to fly all allied ships without restriction would be damaging to the existing factions as it would make Romulans a superfaction with greater access to all sorts of tech. This would discourage players from picking to play Federation or KDF, because they wouldn't have as much gear access as Romulans have.
The United States doesn't sell its very top end equipment to its allies (Nuclear Subs, Aircraft Carriers, Stealth Bombers, etc.) so trying to say that top tier ships should be shared based on the real world is also silly.
I certainly don't speak for everybody but I couldn't give a stuff about superficial customization.
Cryptic is one to go on about how customization is there thing yet there is hardly any meaningful customization in the game. The trait system is the first meaningful addition to the customization of this game but you're still bared based on species selection.
Your bridge officers and kits determine your abilities. If you can't find a ship or kit with a configuration that you like, you're screwed. That is why I'd like to have access to the federation ships. As science ships go, the Federation has a huge selection with far more options to choose from.
Unless Cryptic decides to add in a new feature that lets me configure a science ship the way I like and let me build my own mk XII kit, because the science kit they have on offer sucks.
I'm screwed over.
Before you all go on about "game balance", I'll remind you that game balance is currently on sale for $124.99 but you better hurry before the offer ends!