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This thread is a Continuation from my post in the old Escort Ship forum.
I'd love to see an Advanced Heavy Escort (Frigates are escorts) based on this Wolf 359 ship. With a look set somewhere between the Galaxy and Nebula (although smaller) it would be nice to have an escort that was big and was of the more normal 2 elevated nacelles, 1 hull and 1 saucer variety which all escorts seem to lack.
Size wise I'd prefer a similar size to the prometheus maybe slightly larger, but as people know the custom windows and size of galaxy bridge used in the original kitbash model suggest a smaller size.
I'd also like there to be 1 alteration to the design and that would be to move back the primary hull deflector dish to make the main engineering hull shorter. This is because, as you can see, it is quite long and reaches all the way to the center of the saucer which makes the ship appear a bit squat from underneath.
Here's some information on the ship:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Orleans_class
Most accurate representations (From ex-astris-scientia.org New Orleans article):
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/neworleanstop.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/neworleans.jpg/
T5 Retrofit Stats:
Boff Slots: Cmdr Tactical, Ensign Tactical, Lt Science, Lt Cmdr Engineer, Lt Universal
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Console Slots: 4 Tac, 3 Eng and 2 Sci
Device Slots: 3
Crew: 300
Hull: 32000
T3 Stats:
Boff Slots: Lt Cmdr Tactical, Lt Science, Lt Engineer, Ensign Universal
Weapons: 3 Fore, 2 Aft
Console Slots: 2 Tac, 2 Eng and 1 Sci.
Device Slots: 3
Crew: 300
Hull: 22000
Ideas for Special Ability (Like Transwarp or Tachyon Detection) from sleepymarine:
"Torpedo Fire at Will" - similar to BFAW
"Torpedo Salvo" - all torpedo bays (regardless of cooldown) simultaneously fire a HYT at the designated target if it falls in their arc... give a longer cooldown to prevent abuse...
"Torpedo Spread" - Fires an Arc of torpedos (5-10 depending on level) in ships direction of travel, torpedos do lower damage than normal, but have greater probability (possibly mild "seeking" ability) of striking multiple targets (e.g. a grouping of raiders, or BoPs, etc.) or torpedos could detonate and give a proximity blast effect, or leave a plasma cloud similar to warp plasma
Automatic HYT1,2 or 3 (always active no cooldown) launchers fire in sequence as they normally do but every launch is an HYT (strength dependent on level or random chance...)
Thoughts?...
I'd love to see an Advanced Heavy Escort (Frigates are escorts) based on this Wolf 359 ship. With a look set somewhere between the Galaxy and Nebula (although smaller) it would be nice to have an escort that was big and was of the more normal 2 elevated nacelles, 1 hull and 1 saucer variety which all escorts seem to lack.
Size wise I'd prefer a similar size to the prometheus maybe slightly larger, but as people know the custom windows and size of galaxy bridge used in the original kitbash model suggest a smaller size.
I'd also like there to be 1 alteration to the design and that would be to move back the primary hull deflector dish to make the main engineering hull shorter. This is because, as you can see, it is quite long and reaches all the way to the center of the saucer which makes the ship appear a bit squat from underneath.
Here's some information on the ship:
http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/neworleans.htm
http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/New_Orleans_class
Most accurate representations (From ex-astris-scientia.org New Orleans article):
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/819/neworleanstop.jpg/
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/231/neworleans.jpg/
T5 Retrofit Stats:
Boff Slots: Cmdr Tactical, Ensign Tactical, Lt Science, Lt Cmdr Engineer, Lt Universal
Weapons: 4 Fore, 3 Aft
Console Slots: 4 Tac, 3 Eng and 2 Sci
Device Slots: 3
Crew: 300
Hull: 32000
T3 Stats:
Boff Slots: Lt Cmdr Tactical, Lt Science, Lt Engineer, Ensign Universal
Weapons: 3 Fore, 2 Aft
Console Slots: 2 Tac, 2 Eng and 1 Sci.
Device Slots: 3
Crew: 300
Hull: 22000
Ideas for Special Ability (Like Transwarp or Tachyon Detection) from sleepymarine:
"Torpedo Fire at Will" - similar to BFAW
"Torpedo Salvo" - all torpedo bays (regardless of cooldown) simultaneously fire a HYT at the designated target if it falls in their arc... give a longer cooldown to prevent abuse...
"Torpedo Spread" - Fires an Arc of torpedos (5-10 depending on level) in ships direction of travel, torpedos do lower damage than normal, but have greater probability (possibly mild "seeking" ability) of striking multiple targets (e.g. a grouping of raiders, or BoPs, etc.) or torpedos could detonate and give a proximity blast effect, or leave a plasma cloud similar to warp plasma
Automatic HYT1,2 or 3 (always active no cooldown) launchers fire in sequence as they normally do but every launch is an HYT (strength dependent on level or random chance...)
Thoughts?...
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The Wambundu (which was a frigate/freighter, IIRC) would make a much better choice. At least in my opinion.
Ex Astris lists the length as 320 meters, which would be about the same size as the Dervish, and only somewhat smaller than the Cheyenne. I think this length would be just fine, given the bulky nature of the secondary huil. Any larger, and it would be too big to manuever effectively as an Escort. While the Akira is much larger, the bulk of the ship is its saucer, and so it probably has about the same overall mass as the smaller Cheyenne and Prometheus.
I have to admit, though, that in terms of LOOKS it appears to be a cruiser. The "pods" could be weapons pods, possibly even cannons, which would explain its place in STO as a "warship". But I would think its bulk would make it as difficult to turn as the Akira, without having the Akira's size. (Meaning, it would not have as much crew)
Escorts seem to be designed to have a few "embellishments" as possible, even the ones designed around a saucer, like the Akira and Saber, pretty much are just a saucer, with the engines mounted to them as simply and effciently as they can be, without adding on additional bulky hulls.
Crew: 300
3 Fore
2 Aft
2 Device
1 Ensign Tactical
1 LT Tactical
2 LT Engineering
1 LT Science
Consoles:
2 Tactical
2 Engineering
1 Science
But to me the special ability would be a take on Torpedo Spread, where it's similar to 3, but with a larger AoE.
The stats you listed would be more approriate for a Tier 3 or Tier 4 ship. I do like them for that level.
Thats exactly what that it should be, a Tier 3 ship.
But not the New Orleans class as shown!
To me, it just doesn't have enough Canon Clout to be considered, (only shown as a half destroy hulk at wolf 359) as opposed by the Yeager class or Steamrunner class which have much stronger Canon ties. After all, The Akira, Saber and Steamrunner and Norway classes were introduced in ST First Contact, with the Akira Saber and Steamrunner getting mutiple uses with the Dominion war and air time (15,13 ,13 appearances respetively) . The Norway was only shown twice after First Contact as display graphics.
The Akira and Sabre made it into game early on, but we still left with the Steamrunner.
Vote Steamrunner!
That said, a more traditionally configured Escort wouldn't be unwelcome.
A real Norway and Steamrunner would also both be welcome additions.
I would name mine the U.S.S. Katrina,
we will never forget.
The hole in that theory is we already have a Wolf 359 wreckage ship in game...the Cheyenne. That was the only time it was ever seen on screen.
THose are torpedo bays. nothing more.
THe New orleans would of made the perfect tier 3 cruiser.
hmm dont know about it being an escort however. that line is very well covered.
Still an intresting idea.
That is right. It is a hole. It was a hole in the heavy cruisers that needed filled, when they stumbled across the U.S.S. Cheyenne as a wreck in space, and said to them selves, "Hmmmm... Maybe".
So we have a "Weak" Canon ship as the matriarch of Heavy Cruisers.
Not saying it isn't possible for the New Orleans class, just saying there are MANY more DESERVING Classes of starship.
In your opinion. The New Orleans is a really nice looking ship, where as the Yeager you mentioned is freaking hideous. See? Opinion.
New Orleans Canon Cred: 1 appearance (as a wrecked ship)
Yeager Canon Cred: 23 appearances on DS9
...
NOT opinion, FACT.
You calling the Yeager Hideous, is an opinion...
Luna class no on screen appearances period, in game.
Galaxy-X one appearance, in game.
Olympic one appearance, in game.
Ambassador two appearances, coming soon.
Prometheus class three appearances, in game.
Centaur class three appearances, in game.
I could go on, but you get the idea. Saying one ship deserves to be made over another is entirely subjective.
Thank you for proving my point, and taking my side of it!
Proving that screen time has nothing to do with whether or not a ship should be made? Ok. Sure.
Besides which, dstahl already said in an ask Cryptic that the New Orleans was being heavily looked in to for inclusion in game. So...this whole thing was kinda a moot discussion huh?
The only question is what will they make it in to?
The New Orleans Class is a modified kitbash of the Galaxy Class using the saucer, nacelles, pylons and neck from the Galaxy.
It will be a much easier build to make than say... the Yeager which uses the Intrepid saucer/part of the hull and the Marquis Raider/Peregrine Fighter withe the nacelles moved to the end of the wings.
In the end the Devs are gonna do what is easiest... Which is a T5 Akira!... After the "New Defiant Variants" of course.
That would be "The Correct" answer.
Mmm, I could see the Steamrunner as an Akira skin, much like its in-game Zephyr counterpart.
Given the remaining canonical ships yet to be added, it's very possible newer designs would be bumped up to Tiers 4 and 5, while older designs are put in the older Tiers.
Actually, the Neck from the Galaxy was not included. The sacuer was attached directly to the secondary hull. The pylons were custom parts as well. About the only parts that the SFX department (I think Micael Okuda was the lead, and hence collected all the notes and background photos) use from the Galaxy was the saucer, naccelles and secondary hull. http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/ has a good article on reconstructing the Wolf 359 ships.
I think that a variation of the Intrepid/Yeager Variant could be added. First, cut off the nose from the Marquis Raider hull section, and place a Galaxy or Intrepid Saucer at that location. Second, add windows to that section of the ship's hull. Third, add upward foreward and backward swept pylons in addition to the down and foreward swept plyons. With CGI graphics in this game, it should be much easier than trying to kitbash actual model parts.
Also I don't consider the MVAE to be a retrofit, but more akin to the Galaxy-X and the Vulcan Science Vessel. In my ideal world the MVAE would have been the default and there would be no need for 2 different versions.
Personally I think the retrofit idea in general should be scrapped and as you rank up you simply unlock the new ships and all previous ships should be upgradable (many people have suggested this and many ways to do it but this thread is not the place to discuss it). So all this talk of Akira T5 retrofit blah blah could be eliminated if this were to happen. Fingers crossed.
Finally, in my opinion, the Yeager is an ugly kitbash and should never ever be put in the game. It makes me vomit in my mouth a little every time I see it. Just saying!
Did you read my suggestion on how it should be modeled? I said to cut off the nose from the raider secondary hull, replace said nose with a Galaxy defector, and add windows to the secondary hull.
The wonderous thing about CGI is that you can take an ugly and horribly out of scale model and make it more realistic.
-Lord Commander Solar Macharius