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lendoodelieslendoodelies Member Posts: 9 Arc User
Started playing about a week ago, rerolled a few times... found my main toon, and am now level 41 or 42.

am curious as to what end-game entails? leveling seemed very fast. anyhoo thanx in advance.
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Started playing about a week ago, rerolled a few times... found my main toon, and am now level 41 or 42.

    am curious as to what end-game entails? leveling seemed very fast. anyhoo thanx in advance.

    End game is STF's and reputation system (click avatar - reputation)

    Thats about it.
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    It's a griiiiiind!

    Endgame does come around pretty quick but they are adding more stuff to make Endgame fun. You've got Borg STFs, Tholian PvE's and other stuff to look forward to, not to mention some snazzy VA Ships.
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  • lendoodelieslendoodelies Member Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    what is STF? LOL so many acronyms! VA ships?
  • mirrorchaosmirrorchaos Member Posts: 9,844 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    STF? special task force, primarily based on stopping the borg in a scret alliance between the highest members of the feds and kdf originally, rommies recently joined. their job is to protect the alpha/beta quadrant from a borg invasion. so you end up taking missions with crossfaction teams to stop the borg.
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  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    VA ships?

    Other Q Answered, VA = Vice Admiral.
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    what is STF? LOL so many acronyms! VA ships?

    STF is Special Task Force. They're a selection of missions that are quite challenging, but reward dilithium, gear and Omega Marks for use in the Omega Force reputation system.

    VA means Vice Admiral. VA ships are a selection of ships only available to Level 50 - Vice Admiral - rank players. These include both C-Store ships like the Odyssey and the Kumari and fleet retrofit ships.
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  • lucianazetalucianazeta Member Posts: 740 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    For the record, all VA ships cost real money.

    Otherwise you'll be using a Mirror Ship or a level 40 ship.
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  • puttenhamputtenham Member Posts: 1,052 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    end game is pretty non existant.. most of what cryptic calls "engame" is simple click and waite stuff. like doffs , and fleet progression. you have really nothing to do with it except grinding up the materials needed..

    as for the stf's its the same old same old.. to someone new (and i truly am jelous that you get enjoy them cause your new) have been the same old tired stf's that have been in game since launch..

    your gonna get intimate with borg and tholians, so gear yourself towards them..
  • istvaanshogaatsuistvaanshogaatsu Member Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    For the record, all VA ships cost real money.

    Otherwise you'll be using a Mirror Ship or a level 40 ship.

    No they don't, silly. It's perfectly possible and quite easy to grind money ingame for fleet ship modules, and use those to get fleet ships. Even rare lockbox ships can be obtained if you grind hard enough, and you don't have to spend a cent.
  • johngazmanjohngazman Member Posts: 2,826 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    For the record, all VA ships cost real money.

    Otherwise you'll be using a Mirror Ship or a level 40 ship.

    Not true.

    It's entirely possible to get a VA ship without spending a penny. For example, a Fleet ship can be bought with Fleet Modules bought off the exchange or with Dilithium-Converted-Zen, and Fleet Credits from fleet donations.

    Similarly, you can make Zen by converting Dilithium and just buy a C-Store ship. It takes a while, but it's do-able.
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  • tc10btc10b Member Posts: 1,549 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Endgame = Grind

    The newer the toon, the more of it you need to do. Levelling fast circumvents at least some of this problem.
  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited May 2013
    End game is simply this:

    You do the same pve content over and over and over - to slowly build up reputation and ec/dilithium

    this allows you to get better gear - so that you can more easily do the same few missions over and over and over to get more dilithium/gear

    then you can get better ships to do the same content over and over and over a bit easier than the last 1000 times(not an exaggeration!)

    Any more questions?
  • temp3rustemp3rus Member Posts: 125 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The Foundry. Yes you can grind away at the Reputation system for all those shiny weapons and gear but what you gonna use it on? More grind?

    The Foundry has some great stories, give it a try :)
  • shockwave85shockwave85 Member Posts: 1,040 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Wow, cynicism. A lot of long time players feel burnt out on the endgame because they played each piece of it as it came out, played it to death, and now starve for something new to play to death. You are in a good place. You are coming in with a variety of things to do. As has been said, this mostly comes from the reputation systems. A word of advice, don't get yourself into the mindset that you have to get everything. You don't. Look at what's available, decide what you want, and look at what's needed to get it. Here are some things from the reputation systems worth looking at:

    Omega:
    - Borg console/Omega torpedo/Cutting beam (in set or individually)
    - Mk. XI or XII Assimilated deflector and engine
    - Mk. XI or XII MACO/Adapted Honor Guard space set (especially the shield)
    - Mk. XI or XII Omega force space set
    - Mk. XI or XII Adapted MACO/Honor Guard space set
    - Mk. XI or XII Ground sets (MACO, Omega, KHG)

    New Romulus:
    - Romulan plasma weapon store unlocks
    - Zero point conduit console/Hyper plasma torpedo/Experimental beam array (in set or individually)
    - Elite Scorpion fighter hangar pets

    Nukara
    - This is pretty new, so I don't know what the good stuff is yet, but there is an assortment of ship and ground weapons, ship and ground equipment sets, and other goodies to explore

    And of course each reputation gives you an array of useful passive powers as you level the reputation up, with a unique active power at Tier 5.


    There's also your fleet's holdings. You can ally with a low level fleet or start your own to get in on the process of building it up, or jump in with an established high level fleet to get access to the good stuff right away

    Fleet:
    - Starbase:
    - - Elite/Advanced space gear (especially Elite Fleet shields)
    - - Advanced space weapons of any type
    - - Elite Fleet Phaser/Disruptor space weapons (depending on faction)
    - - Elite/Advanced ground gear
    - - Elite Fleet Phaser/Disruptor ground weapons (depending on faction)
    - - Easily obtainable (but random) blue and purple Doffs
    - - Fleet Ships (costs ship modules, but these can be bought from other players on the Exchange)
    - Embassy
    - - Ultra Rare science consoles with unique (and handy) modifiers
    - - Romulan bridge officers
    - - Ultra Rare Mk XII kits
    - - Extra Doff assignment slots


    There's also PvP, of course, though you'll want to get yourself outfitted with some fairly high quality stuff first. You don't need to be uber elite though. Check the PvP forums, and consider taking PvP BootCamp classes even if you don't plan to PvP. It will help your general gameplay ability even in PvE.

    Most importantly, don't burn out. If you're sick of doing something, do something else. There's plenty out there for you to do.
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  • bpharmabpharma Member Posts: 2,022
    edited May 2013
    As far as ships go the statement that all VA ships cost money isn't entirely true. It cost someone real money but not you depending on how you get it.

    You can get a VA ship from the c-store with Zen (either converted from dilithium or bought) which has 9 console slots and standard health for a VA ship.

    You may instead get any fleet ship if you are part of a fleet at the shipyard level required to unlock it. A fleet ship is purchased with fleet credits and fleet modules. The modules you can buy off the exchange and the fleet credits you earn by donating to your fleets projects. If you own the c-store version (and it must be bought from the c-store not using a token) of that ship then you will get a discount on the fleet version of that ship for all characters on the account.

    Fleet ships are bought PER CHARACTER but have 10 console slots and 10% higher hull + shields usually over their C-store counterparts.

    Lockbox ships are significantly more expensive but tend to have unique things like special consoles, weapons layouts or just plain being gamebreakingly overpowered. They are on par with fleet ships.

    As far as end game goes, other have answered it pretty comprehensively. PvP you need pretty good stuff and a good knowledge of how the game works and how to gear, spec and choose powers. You don't have to have the best stuff to have some fun but you do need a fair amount of knowledge if you don't want to be killed many, many, many times and lose a lot.

    Speaking as someone with 4 fed, 2 Klingon and 2 Romulan characters (only 5 I use now) I also would not recommend making more than 3 characters if you want a high level of completion on each. It does get very repetitive especially with the rep grinding and if you complete all the content once it might be worth a play once or twice later but after that it becomes more annoying than anything. If you like to role play (known as RP) and are not so bothered about getting a lot of the cool stuff or 100% completing the rep and getting all the mk XII space and ground sets etc then make many characters and enjoy =)

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  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Endgame? Unfortunately you hit upon one of STOs biggest weakness. Seriously, the endgame here is pretty lacking. STFs and PvP. That's about it. And if you are like me and have very little interest in PvP, well....

    But, as someone else pointed out: Foundry! You can kinda make your own endgame. There is a LOT of just terrible stuff in there, it's true. But dig a little and you can find some really fantastic play experiences in there.

    Which brings up a point I would like to reiterate.

    Dear Cryptic: I love Star Trek Online, and I love the Foundry. It is a great additional feature. But it is just "additional". It is not a substitute for endgame content, which this game is sorely lacking. We need more STF's and missions for capped characters. Also, exploration missions could use some touching up, make them more viable play options. I pray that you will hear my plea and give us the 'LoR' treatment to endgame content. Thank you!
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  • drogyn1701drogyn1701 Member Posts: 3,606 Media Corps
    edited May 2013
    Here's the thing though, you can continue doing almost any content in the game at max level because the game auto-levels the mobs to you.

    Foundry
    Fleet actions
    PvP
    Everything in the PvE queue
    STFs
    Exploration
    Story Missions
    Deep Space Encounters
    Adventure Zones (New Romulus, Nimbus, Nukara, Defera)

    So just figure out what content you enjoy and keep playing it.
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  • apostolis78apostolis78 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    You grind. No sorry YOU GRIIIIIND dilithium. And when you are bored of grinding dilithium you grind some more just in case.

    Or you PvP. That's about it.
  • nicha0nicha0 Member Posts: 1,456 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I see things a little differently.

    Level 1-49 = tutorial
    Level 50 = game
    Level 50 elite = end game

    There are 4 sets of STFs that are end game, PvP, and No Win Scenario, that is it. Cystalline Entity may be coming soon, who knows on that. The rest is super easy mode.

    I'm pretty sure you are going to see a large amount of older players abandon the game between now (as in last week) and the next season, cryptic spent all their time releasing more over crowded early game material and left the end game people with tholian reputation? and uh.. thats it. People are already bored of that.

    They need to start work quickly on elite scenarios without resorting to endless one hit and you die shots. We need things like improved AI, sustained damage, active healing enemies, enemies that don't do the same thing over and over and over.
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  • newromulan1newromulan1 Member Posts: 2,229
    edited May 2013
    The most important thing is that - the end game is very very repetative - same thing over and over and over

    you will get burnout - BUT - the game is free and is going to be here for awhile - so when you feel that burnout put the game down for a few days/weeks and do something else.

    Then come back and it will feel new again - for awhile. Rinse and repeat as necesssary.
  • startuxstartux Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    shockwave85 provided the best answer imho. I started again from level 1 and just hit 50 and yes, with Nukara and New Romulus alone there is a lot left to do.

    Also, we have Season 9 (next update) to look forward to, although what that may contain isn't detailed yet I am hoping they continue the story line from when your PVE missions end (Undine I believe), plus more goodies.


    You can convert dilithium into Zen as mentioned too.
  • equinox976equinox976 Member Posts: 2,305 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    startux wrote: »
    shockwave85 provided the best answer imho.

    Describing a grind nicely doesnt change the nature of the grind. Nor does starting a new character.

    Thanks though.

    P.S: All refering to end game, not the whole game. Restarting has nothing to end game.
  • ricorosebudricorosebud Member Posts: 11 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Grind for the sake of grind is not something I like. I don't aim to get those epic loots just to check off a list. I want to use my equipment to challenge missions specifically tailored to be played by those who are at peak performance.

    And another good point brought up in this thread that I have mentioned before: lame one-shot hits and uber hp enemies are not challenge, they are cheap and frankly lazy.

    Ideally I would like to see a new Episode series with a difficulty tailored to endgame and two-three new STF's (ground and space, possibly combined). Then STO would be up to passable endgame.

    As it is now, it is very weak, I am sorry to say.
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  • omegashinzonomegashinzon Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    End game is simply this:

    You do the same pve content over and over and over - to slowly build up reputation and ec/dilithium

    this allows you to get better gear - so that you can more easily do the same few missions over and over and over to get more dilithium/gear

    then you can get better ships to do the same content over and over and over a bit easier than the last 1000 times(not an exaggeration!)

    Any more questions?

    Essentially true.

    You can also add, learning how a certain system works (trading/doffing/pvping/etc), getting good at it, then having it changed and starting over. Oh, and did anyone mention GRINDING in the slums till you find a new map to grind on. (or something like that)
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