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Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer vs Tal Shiar Adapted Crusier
unheard1978
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Hi please can any one tell me which is better please for my reman enginer.
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- no singularity cores
- underpowered
- no cloak
plus:
- VERY nice design
i am very sorry i opened the ship on my Romulan main. i should have given it to any alt, that way i would at least see it once in a while when DOFFing.
Underpowered as in 40 base power levels, or as in not able to put out much damage?
Frankly thats just rubish!
The singularity cores provide actually less energy to a ship then very rare warpcores - unless they are fully charges which takes a while, and even then its not more energy (a warpcore with can provide more then 15energy when choosen carefuly).
Also - all warbirds which can use singularity cores - come with a penalty on energy levels - which is -40 (!).
Also, the two lockbox ships do have cloaks - just no battle cloaks - that means you can not engage them in combat, but you can still use them for a sneak attack (like on KDF-Battlecruisers).
I just had a closer lock at the battle crusier (lobi-store) - that thing has a universal commander boff, a ltc-science and a lt tac and a lt. eng. It also has a shild modifier of 1.3, a nice hull and 8 weapon slots and it got sensor analysis and +10 on shilds and +10 on aux. All this sums up to the most powerfull science ship in game (in my opinion) - but you have to use it right.
just had a short look on the destroyer - I don't see any reason while this should be underpowered.
SAME!!! I wish I could ticket it but I'm pretty sure I'd be unsuccessful.
This is copy pasted from the STO wiki. Does anyone know more info in regards to this? I actually have the whole set. I notice the repair systems working but i don't notice the multi-spectral particle genarator doing it's thing?
That sounds pretty cool! Can you post the full specs for the bonuses for those of us that don't have one of the ships?
Wanna know why? Because once they were modified to that extent, they were no longer "Warbirds." They were Borg ships being crewed by Tal'Shiar. Nothing remains of the ships they once were.
Thanks! Somehow missed your post until now.
I just released these ships will really be powerful with the assimulated Borg set. Currently doing mision for these now! My Distroyer will unstobbable! =P
The ship is pretty balanced in abilities, since it has a Commander Universal slot
I have the Adapted Cruiser
The indoctrination console imo is kinda lame... it's an overglorified isometric charge... a skill i am not that fond of
Some very nice consoles are being missed out on as well, since the two ships aren't classed as Warbirds.
Still, they look nice with the Reman skins applied, saw both skin types in use on them over at DS9.
you are correct. these only use warp cores not singularity.
I could not agree more. I commissioned the Tal Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser and the Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer last night. I wanted the full console set. I equipped the BC with Advanced Fleet Plasma beam Weapons, the full Adapted Borg Set, the Mk XII Very Rare Borg Space set, AND the full Zero Point Romulan set from the reputation system. I carefully selected and trained four Human Boffs along with the Liberated Borg Sci Officer from Lobi Store. The result was THE most versatile cruiser (battle- or assault-) my Fed VA Tac main has flown to date. I still have some tweaking to do (e.g. minor skill respec) but so far this is an awesome vessel. The turn rate is surprisingly good for a battlecruiser (good enough for cannons), shield strength at +12k per 6 sec, shield regen at +1100 per 6 sec, and hull at +57k just for starters. Did I mention the truly incredibly beautiful Borgified design?! Mad props to the designers.
Did you know that Human Leadership space trait has been bugged since LoR? They no longer have any effect, until they fix this bug, which no one knows when.
As for Tal Shiar Adapted Battlecruiser being the best Sci ship out there, I think it's more hype than anything else. I logged on to my Fed toon yesterday and flew my Wells Timeship into a Capture & Hold pvp map. After spending days leveling my Rom toon, I was rusty and confused re: what to do with my Wells so I parked far away from the center of actions and was just trying to turn a point quietly. Sure enough, I could see this "massive hot mess" approaching me from behind trying to sneak up on me, only that ship didn't know this Wells is accustomed to Kerrat ambushes and his 2nd tier cloak means I could see him coming miles away. Long story short, 1 minute later, that ship was fighting to escape and had to be rescued by his teammates. The reason is simple, all these shielding and weaponry means nothing when that ship can't catch a fast and highly maneuverable Sci ship. Having 8 weapon slots is nice in theory but unless that ship can make all those slots work all the time, they are more useful as decorations than actually firing at someone. Plus, 1 on 1, my Wells is equipped to drain 109 in Weapons and Engine power simultaneously ( ES3 at 174 Flow capacitor, 2 X Subsystem Targeting, Plasmonic Leech) making my own power in all 4 subsystem 125+ (Aux = 130). When a slow ship has 8 weapon slots and relies on cannons and beam arrays, they consume a lot of power to begin with so with that massive drain, he may as well be shooting air gun at the ship with the toughest shield in the game. Meanwhile a few Transphasic here and a Cluster Torp there, he is off running and unable to because his engines is also barely powerless. So you asked, what happened to the Hazard Emitters? I am sure it was already overwhelmed by the spam of Romulan Hyper Plasma torps, HP Torp radiation damage or the experimental Romulan plasma hull melt.
All said and done, a ship needs to be able to turn, period. Turn rate of 7 is fit to be a tank but as for being a sci vessel, it then becomes a wingless bird. Sci vessels needs to be maneuverable. To this end, my critique of this Tal Shiar vessel is they try so hard to mimic Borg technology that they overthink it and blew up what makes Romulan ship fearsome to being with.
Of course, isn't it supposed to be based off of the D'deridex, anyway? I'd call an increase to 7 from 5 in turn rate ain't bad, especially considering the new Helmsman trait. Yes, I realize everyone who PvP's will have it on them, but to be perfectly honest I think PvP in this game is a joke.
On the other hand, I haven't seen any concrete facts on how the 3-piece radiation damage bonus works; does it stack per ability use, or only stacks per damage type? I think that's the hidden gem for this ship, at least for PvE. Pretty sure the Vesta and time ships will continue to roll in PvP, just because of their stats.
Leave the Tal Shiar ships to the feds and KDF.
Spock's Brain.
Well, there are people out there (myself included) who just don't like the singularity cores and their abilities and don't want to have the -40 energy penalty of singularity cores. The ships from the lockboxes and lobistore are the only ships available for romulan players at level 50 without the singularity core (I hope we'll get a chance to get the breen ship again next winter).
Regarding the Battle Cloak: frankly I don't see why it should be considered so much better than a normal cloak, sure you can use it in combat - but does it really work as a getaway when the shots fired while you cloak are still going to hit you (with shilds down thx to the cloak ...)?
I was thinking of putting a KDF Tac officer in the Destroyer and Fed Sci (Lib Borg, no less) in the Cruiser. The former being DPS-focused, the latter a sort of CC/DPS/Tanker Swiss-Army-Knife build. (Both of these for PvE use only.)
Thoughts?
Also, do you guys know if the Tal Shiar Adapted ships can use the "base" warbird consoles? For example, can the Adapted Cruiser use the Projected Singularity and the Molecular Phase Inversion Field consoles from the D'ridthau Warbird Battle Cruiser and the D'deridex Retrofit (thereby getting the Enhanced Maneuvering Thrusters set bonus)? If so, I'm thinking I might keep the ship on my Rommie to take advantage of the extra consoles.
Do you mean to say you put both the Shrapnel Torpedo Launcher console and the Indoctrination Nanite Dispersal System console on your TSA Cruiser? Is there a set bonus for having both of these mounted on the same ship? I do like your idea of going Full Borg (Retro Assimilated Borg pieces, etc). Can you post a pic of your TSA Cruiser with all Borg set visuals on display?
You can find/contact me in game as @PatricianVetinari. Playing STO since Feb 2010.
Tal Shiar Adapted Battle Cruiser,
http://youtu.be/2LasbRKFwLo
http://youtu.be/Tb-sCIzlbPs
Tal Shiar Adapted Destroyer
http://youtu.be/EQSvRzAByJI
Battle cloak is not an "oh, TRIBBLE!" button.
Spock's Brain.
Agreed,
The looks of the Adapted Romulan Vessels are about the only thing that they have going for them.
The Adapted vessels seem woefully underpowered when look at how they stack up to comparable vessels; however, of the 2 the Adapted Battle Cruiser seems like the all-around better vessel.
The Lack of a Singularity core was due to the fact that these are open faction ships and Singularity Cores are Romulan only, it makes sense but Cryptic could have done better.
I think that the Adapted Vessel would be a heck of a lot more popular than they are if Romulan players could use Adapted Singularity Drives with them.
In hindsight I think what I would have done with the Adapted vessels if I were Cryptic would have been to have them come standard with their current Adapted Warp Cores but have a D-Store per Character Option to buy Adapted Singularity Cores that would only be available to Romulan Captains that have either of the Adapted vessels active in their roster of ships.
With the above suggestion the Adapted vessels would still be very big draws to Romulan players but still be open to all factions.
I really wanted both of the Adapted vessels but I realized that the Singularity Core was just too useful a tool for a Romulan player to pass up and that I'd never use them with my Romulan Characters.
The Fleet D'Deridex is better then the adapted battlecruiser also, the universals on the battlecruiser are not that useful, since if you use it as tac or sci you only get Lt Eng, very hard to make a cruiser work with that layout, while the D'Deridex gets better consoles, better cloak and its boff layout has commander eng while still having a decent amount of tac and sci. No reason for Romulans to use those ships at all, they are only there for giving Feds and KDF a watered down version of Warbirds.
actually the moral of that story is its not the ship its her captain just because you facerolled a noob in a new ship doesent mean the ship sucks I know people in pvp with the new ships that aren't noobs and faceroll people all day long hell ive seen people flat line other with the lowly Aquarius (im still amazed by that)
^^^^^this ^^^^