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hawkwing43
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Ok I read a few posts and there is a lot of pros and cons with alot of people on these forums about the Romulan Rebublic. I for one have no issue with the current setup, but really how do you guys see this playing out in your mind?
IMO I believe a time limit was set for getting the romulans done, and to do it right they put in all they could, then said this other stuff can wait. Just my thinking on the matter.
Anyway, I see The Romulans being made into a full faction, and this is how you can do it.
It all starts with the Tal shar: You know they will have agents within the Federation and Klingon at this point, and find this is the way to strike out at both factions at the sametime. If the story is done right, you can have a major event that shakes the very soul of both Factions, and that will be the point you bring in a New Romulan Star Empire. As I see it, you will have a recall of all Romulan Ships back to New Romulas, then the attack happens shortly after that.
That's when the following should happen as far as players go.
1. If you have a fleet within the Klingons or Federation, you will get an option to tranfer everything over to Romulan bases.
2. All Romulans will now get banned from entering Federation of Klingon home world areas.
3. a new Rep system will come into play, You gain standing with Tal Shar or the RR. Same type of system will be added to the other factions. For the Klingons Orion Sydicate vs klingon Intell, and Section 31 vs Starfleet intell. Each rep systems will give you special ideas from those organizations.
4. The Romulans now get pulled into the war, due to the events at the other factions home worlds.
I don't know, to me something has to break over time, we can't just have Romulans flying all over the place, without the Tal Shar starting things right?
How do you guys feel on this topic?
IMO I believe a time limit was set for getting the romulans done, and to do it right they put in all they could, then said this other stuff can wait. Just my thinking on the matter.
Anyway, I see The Romulans being made into a full faction, and this is how you can do it.
It all starts with the Tal shar: You know they will have agents within the Federation and Klingon at this point, and find this is the way to strike out at both factions at the sametime. If the story is done right, you can have a major event that shakes the very soul of both Factions, and that will be the point you bring in a New Romulan Star Empire. As I see it, you will have a recall of all Romulan Ships back to New Romulas, then the attack happens shortly after that.
That's when the following should happen as far as players go.
1. If you have a fleet within the Klingons or Federation, you will get an option to tranfer everything over to Romulan bases.
2. All Romulans will now get banned from entering Federation of Klingon home world areas.
3. a new Rep system will come into play, You gain standing with Tal Shar or the RR. Same type of system will be added to the other factions. For the Klingons Orion Sydicate vs klingon Intell, and Section 31 vs Starfleet intell. Each rep systems will give you special ideas from those organizations.
4. The Romulans now get pulled into the war, due to the events at the other factions home worlds.
I don't know, to me something has to break over time, we can't just have Romulans flying all over the place, without the Tal Shar starting things right?
How do you guys feel on this topic?
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Not going to happen. STO is, for better or worse, a two faction game.
Things are good as they are now. The only thing that should happen is that a Klingon who actually has a brain under his ridges rams a few feet of steel through J'mpok and makes peace with the Federation to finally crush the Tal Shiar, Undine, True Way, Iconians, Borg, Hirogen and all the other morons who profit from J'mpoks stupid war. (Really? The Klingons are only Klingon in battle? It's not as if there is a lack of enemies, no need to attack your allies.)
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
As much as I think many would like to see that happen down the road, I think the more likely plausible event is that going forward it continues as a mishmash across the board, and future content revolves around continuing the story from all three factions perspective.
The Legacy of Romulus could very well be the beginning of a new cold war between the three factions, either by introduction of the Iconians as the defacto enemy, or some other quadrant threat.
There's also the case for the PvP playerbase and any development of such.
If Cryptic wants to have any semblance of meaningful PvP in STO's future, it needs to be a three way set up. 2v2 just doesn't work, and have been evident for many years in the genre.
Dark Ages of Camelot set the precedent on how to handle multiple faction PvP, anyone choosing to ignore that example is being obtuse by choice.
Okay, now I know that you weren't here at the start.... At the start Klingons had a bunch of ships, a few PvP missions and maybe 5 PvE missions that didn't contain anything besides a huge space map with ships you were supposed to destroy for being in Klingon space, each with another enemy faction. And you seriously compare the Romulans to that?:eek:
Sometimes, if you want to bury the hatchet with a Klingon, it has to be in his skull. - Captain K'Tar of the USS Danu about J'mpok.
Not particularly a fan of playing a Tal Shiar themed Romulan, but I wouldn't mind if players were given that option later. I think it could work well with the DOFF Espionage system. Replace the players RR contact with a Tal Shiar contact and their primary goal could become destabilizing the fledgeling RR. Add in some DOFF missions, daily Ground Saboteur missions for New Romulus or other colonies. You could also have some ambush/pirate styled attacks on RR convoys.
As far as Red vs Blue, you could still keep it that way somewhat. Add a new pvp arena focused on combat between RR and Tal Shiar. Fed/Klingon allies could be sided with the RR and Tal Shiar could run their own side (unless some expanded options for betrayal/traitor be added for other factions/races)
Think a system like Kerrat only it takes place over/around some resource pertaiing to the RR's continued development. Tal Shiar is trying to wreck it. Allies are saving/defending and if you want NPC's involved through in some Elachi/Tholian opportunists.
Stahl did say their research showed that three factions is fine but that they didn't want more than that and opted for two right now.
I could see a third faction but I think it would be the other half, as opposed to what Romulans got:
A third PvP faction that Federation, Klingons, Romulans, etc. can join only at high levels.
I don't think you'll see a whole faction in the sense that Feds are. But you could get interesting mileage out of both 1-35 "half" factions and 35-50 "half" factions.
Any additional factions will almost certainly be flagged for STFs/Fleet Actions/Zone content that is shared though. So the ltmus test is, I think, if you're going to be a faction, you have to be against the Borg and Tal Shiar and willing to tag Epohhs. If you can't see them doing that, it won't get done. You will either get rationales for doing that or be a faction predisposed to doing that. But a faction that won't do that, won't get made.
If memory serves, the argument made was not one of acceptance, but of technical feasibility. Having to create and integrate a third set of queues, a third version of every mission going forward, three copies of each reputation system, sorting out how to add a third faction into PvP equtiably...
You see where I'm going with this. By linking "subfactions" into the Federation/KDF, those technical hurdles can be avoided, while still allowing for a unique story experience specific to each "subfaction".
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The next step is to release a Cardassian playable "faction." After that probably comes Ferengi. After that....well, you start running low on races which canon has fleshed out substantially enough that Cryptic isn't essentially creating a brand new race of their own.
That seems really stupid, besides not even making much sense within the context of the IP. I can understand killing Hakeev, or Sela, or any individual character, but killing off the entire Tal'Shiar is just short-sighted. The IP needs more than just the Borg, the Undine and the Iconians as potential foes.
Now klingon have more on the table, and we now added the Romulans. And again it's like the Klingons all over again, but not as empty at the sametime.
Does the Romulan Faction have everything like the 1st two? NO!
So in it's own right it's not a complete faction in it's oh right. Much like the Klingon faction at it's beginings, the Romulans lack a few things. Will this get fixed over time? YES!
Again like the Klingons, the Romluans must go through their own growing pains in STO. So I will give it time to see how things pan out.
Respectfully, I think it more likely that at some point we'd get the chance to change allies. Take affront at the way our current ally operates, run through a story arc leading us away from them, and tell the opposing faction we want in.
I'd personally like to see this, however, though I feel it is a more likely scenario, I don't think either scenario will be addressed.
Ummm.. is that a trick question?? Have you taken a trip around the galaxy lately?? Personally I think we're ALL just sucking it up and accepting that wherever you go, you cant hardly make it to your destination because of all the gigantic romulan ships parked in orbit. I wouldnt even pretend to make a wild guess at the number of romulan players there ae, but sometimes it seems as if everyone made a personal little me too rommie whether they really care about romulans or not.. I'm certain that as everyone levels there will be a decline in the amount of romulans in the game, but for now and the foreseeable future, the romulans are more than just a playable faction. We are a multitude. Whats needed, is re-unification between our KDF and Fed romulans. we should not have political lines dividing us as they do.
The Cardassian's will be added exactly like the Romulan's , even with a similar story , Home world disaster , rebuilding and the True way (or obsidion order) Replacing the Tal Shiar (SPOILER: whom are in contact with the True way in the Romulan story line).
I would still fly a 'New Cardassian Union' ship however.
The Ferengi are part of the Fed's now , if people don't like it blame Rom for having a profit hating son.
On the upside to everyone going Romulan whether it be from genuine fandom for Romulans or "hay look at me, I'm part of the gang" , the popularity logically should mean more time put into equalling the Romulan's to the main factions.
I agree with the not having the political divides. I Think this allied direction needs the war state of KDF and FED to be resolved though as really when you ally with a faction you are becoming at war with another Republic fellow that has allied with the opposite main faction, thus splitting down Republic supporters more. Or they allies influence should gradually be reduced over the next season or so.
Not to mention well...there are very few 3+ faction games out there.
The way things are now I think they're fine, plus it leave things open for more factions...like the Cardassians for prime example. They don't have the means to stand on their own but one day they might wish to rebuild and reach out.
Clearly, you do not understand how Cryptic operates under their new masters Perfect World. The Romulans will never become a full-fledged faction. Cryptic could have made it so with the launch of Legacy of Romulus; they certainly had the time to work on it and perfect it. But they didn't because that would have required more than twice the amount of the work. Instead, Perfect World insists on putting out this half-baked product that we have now in order to maximize their profits. That you have milquetoast Romulans instead of the proud and conniving species seen in the TV shows matters little to them.
The experience has been enjoyable thus far, but I wouldn't be against a darker Romulan faction.
Honestly Romulans as a fully fledged faction wasn't possible in the time-frame that they had, and the features you'd want for this full faction would have required not twice the work, but probably upwards of 4x to 6x the work, I don't know about you but I wouldn't have waited another 2 years for LoR, and suffered an even worse content drought than before, I probably would have quit and so would have a lot of other people.
You apparently think a whole new faction would have been easy peasy yeah lets throw it in, while they did lay down the framework for a new faction with quite a bit of it already finished, but they had to improvise to get it out the door before the lack of content (thanks to the dev team all working on one thing) becoming too noticeable.
Here are a few things they'd need for a FULL romulan faction:
1. New RvR, RvF, RvK, and RvFvK queues in PvP, considering that PvP's balance is already a train wreck imagine in a whole new faction separate from the others were thrown into the mix, you think its bad now? Imagine Ker'rat with two opposing cloaking teams just waiting for someone to show themselves so they can alpha them to death, it would essentially become an anti-fed zone and alienate feds from PvP even more. Add on to this the fact that Cryptic has been unwilling to touch PvP without a whole season dedicated to overhauling it and it becomes unrealistic to expect this from LoR.
2. Get more players, as it stands right now the STO player base cannot afford to be split up, as evidenced by the Klingon PvE and KvK queues, splitting it up even further would cause problems for everyone.
3. New gear, like romulan STF gear and aegis, this means new models, new textures, new stats, new balance testing. On top of this the PvE queues would likely need to be reworked to include romulan versions where applicable, and probably jerry-rigging the queues to work with 3 factions (I highly doubt they would work without a whole lot of patchwork, something tells me the engine isn't ready for more than 2 factions.) Oh, and how the hell is Nukara going to be handled?
4. New fleet assets, this means 5 new star-base models (along with new trans-warp gates, new fabricators, etc.), new embassies (on their own planet??), new fleet weapons with their own procs and unique models, along with new fleet specific pve events.
5. New zones for crafting, their own social zone (honestly new rom command is tiny and very simplistic, you'd need something more.), and other faction specific areas.
6. More ships, currently this is covered by having allies, without them they would have only 1 ship choice per level until VA, this is simply unacceptable compared to the other two factions.
7. Some other way to get cross faction boffs, otherwise they'd be stuck with all romulans forever with the occasional reman, no efficient or leadership for them past maybe specialty c-store boffs.
8. A new storyline, as of right now the romulans are a shattered and broken people, the Tal-Shiar isn't nearly powerful enough to constitute the force of entire faction of players, not to mention they essentially work for the big-bad, remind me if im wrong but there aren't very many MMO's who let players join the faction loyal to the enemy of all the other races/factions, almost all MMOs have a big-bad that transcends faction vs faction, it just wouldn't make sense and would invalidate all other content, forcing cryptic to make an entirely new storyline 1-50, that is simply unfeasible.
Don't get me wrong, now that LoR is out, all of this can be worked on and its possible the romulan republic will secede from its allies and become its own power, but LoR had to get out the door first.
system Lord Baal is dead
So.. what, you can gloriously serve the iconians?
Sounds like a great plan.
Kind of hard since i put a disruptor to Hakeeves head, and Sela's missing, and the Tal shiar is begging for D'tan to lead them....not much of a power anymore they are dead, and I'm glad... TOS Romulans are back and TNG ones are dead.
funny I saw no where the Tal Shiar begging for that hack D'tan to lead them and sela not going to stay gone for ever
and if you look the the EP of star trek ent with the romulan drone you will see they act like TNG romulan and not ToS and also wearing nemesis outfit its your romulans who are dead oh but I forgot the Dev here are ToS fans so that tells me something
system Lord Baal is dead
sound more romulan then this RR
system Lord Baal is dead
The Tal Shiar send that agent to convince D'tan to join them during the Romulan reputation seires in the video's as you level up the rep system.
I loved the Romulan's coming into ENT one of the bigest crimes in star trek history was us all having the ENT era Romulan war taken from TV. Then another crime was the Riker Holodeck episode that destroyed the entire ENT story.
ok my bad on that I have not dun a mission on NR sine it launched
system Lord Baal is dead