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shaanithegreen
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Want to complain about the turn rate? Thread's over here: http://sto-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=701861
Now, for those of us who still want to fly the D'deridex, what kind of builds will we use?
Now, for those of us who still want to fly the D'deridex, what kind of builds will we use?
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Fore weapons: DHCx2, DCx1, torpedo
Aft weapons: Turretx2, KCBx1, mine (tractors work wonders)
LTC Tac: TT1 or HYT1, CSV1, CSV2
ENS Tac: TT1
CMDR Eng: EPtW1, DEM1 or ET2, EWP1, Aux2SIF3
ENS Eng: EPtE1
LTC Sci: HE1, PH2, GW1
Tac consoles: Energy damage x3
Eng consoles: Neutronium x3, RCS
Sci consoles: Tachyokinetic, ZPEC, Assimilated
DOffs depend on what you want to do. You definitely want damage control and warp core engineer DOffs for cycling EPtW and EPtE, if you're using tac team doffs skip the second TT1 and go for ET2, you know the drill.
Shield tanking in a warbird sucks for their reduced power levels, and meanwhile quantum absorption pushes your effective hull through the roof. Rely on your shields for soaking alpha strikes and openers, not to sustain you through an entire fight. Focus on alpha striking, then debilitating enemies (and forcing them to blow survivability cooldowns) and repositioning while cloaked.
Spock's Brain.
This is going to soak exactly nothing in PvP as far as alpha strikes go. You have zero shield resistance abilities. You have only 1 copy of PH, so your window of TB vulnerability is 30s wide.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
As I said, that's conjecture and extrapolation, based upon my experiences in the T4 D'Deridex on beta. That's intended as a boilerplate, and a starting point from which those participating in the conversation can work.
To that I'll add, shield tanking in a warbird is extremely substandard. Warbirds have decent shield modifiers, but lack the power to get the full bonus from shield power and the aux to fuel heals and hardening. What warbirds do have, and in particular the D'Deridex, are the hull points (and quantum absorption) to hull tank decently which works nicely considering the shields-offline effect of cloak.
Baseline, you'll be forced to choose between shield and aux batteries, depending upon preference. Maybe, with warp core engineer procs, an RMC or enhanced plasma manifold, and plasmionic leech or MACO shield, you'll get the energy to have workable shield and aux power.
Spock's Brain.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ask7SlB4gHardEdrQVFCTk5ocTBoc25iUmtWNWY4WVE#gid=0
OK, take that sheet, play with it. The loss of base subsystem power is not going to truly prevent a Warbird at 50 from hitting the shield res cap.
If you're willing to bring in the RMC or EPM or leech then you need to take a look at the Warbird consoles. They have 2 of the most powerful shield res and shield heal options in the game.
You played PvE on the test server? Tell me more about how you'll hull tank in PvP. (Just read that in Willie Wonka's voice.)
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
probably best thing you can do with the sorry thing
My signature picture is from that build.
Modified Aux2Batt cruiser build. Especially if you have the consoles from the D'ridthau and the retrofit.
It should tell you something that you must rely upon an elaborate combination of RMT items that amount to 5K+ Zen, just to get warbird shield tanking to parity with Fed/KDF ships before you account for their access to many of the same RMT items.
Spock's Brain.
I missed nothing. I saw the part where you think you can't maintain high shields and aux (which you can, easily) and that the answer is hull tanking.
You're going to have to set your entire misinformed opinion on power levels aside for a minute and explain exactly how hull tanking is viable in PvP.
This ship is a stinker for PvP for a number of reasons, just not the reasons you state.
CommanderDonatra@Capt.Sisko: ahhh is it supposed to do that?
Norvo Tigan@dontdrunkimshoot: hell ya, maybe
I'm just going to let others deal with the rest of your post, but I just want to step in here.
1) You took zero shield resistance powers. Why did you not take EPTS?
2) Did you know there is a singularity core that adds +5 to +15 shield power depending on your singularity power level?
3) Plasmonic Leech, MACO Shield.
If you are unable to hit both 125 weapons and 125 shield power after using some or all of the above you are doing something drastically wrong.
EPTS +20ish +15 Singularity bonus +16 (to 20 IIRC, but we'll use 16) Plas Leech +10 MACO = +61 power to shields.
The two empty console slot are taken by the d'deri retro/refit console set.
I would basically alpha, GW, EWP, phase through them enough to drop EWP on them, then SingJump away the recloak. So they are dealing with my alpha damage then GW+EWP+Jump Sing damage and holds. Circle around and repeat minus Singjump and phase sine they are most likely not up again.
I'm still waiting on getting my Technician doffs, so I'm not using an A2B build yet but that is my goal. Currently I'm running the following.
TT1, CRF1, APO1
TT1
EPtS1, RSP1, Aux2SIF 2, Aceton Beam 3(placeholder; will be changed to DEM 3 soon as I can get it)
EPtS1
HE1, TSS2, VM1
Four Plasma DHCs up front (been switching between that and two DHCs/two singles; not sure which is the better option), four turrets rear. Damage type is also a placeholder, but I figure for now I should take advantage of dot stacking.
Consoles:
2x RCS, 1x Neutronium
2x Field Gen, 1x Singularity Projection
3x Plasma Infusers
Will replace either a field gen or an infuser with the Tachyokinetic once I can get it.
Not exactly an optimal setup, but it hasn't been terrible. The singularity powers help quite a bit with its maneuverability, specifically jump and shadows. The projection console is *beastly*. It's like a supercharged grav well, and it's awesome. I think talking doom and gloom for the D'deri is a bit premature. It has its place, even if its a marginal one.
Seriously, does anyone think its working as intended? Or is it an exploit built off an unintended DOFF power synergy they are liable to nerf soon?
I am tempted to say I like the ship because it doesn't A2B well but why try anything else if you are sub par because of it...