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LOR feedback.... overall...MUCH LOVE!...But rep Grind...AGAIN :(

wildchild8wildchild8 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
edited May 2013 in Star Trek Online General Discussion
ahoi hoi!

First of all I shall start this thread by saying, my hats off to the devs for LOR, amazing work guys, storylines, so much new stuff, ships, mechanics, UI, hands down very happy...! Alot of work highly appreciated! Initial server problems aside (which we can all understand and expect at launch, teething troubles as my auld pop would say...) I would ask for one little thing....

I told myself I wouldnt make a complaining thread.... all the hard work and effort put into LOR does not deserve alot of the flack bouncing around the forums atm, merely issues to be ironed out that can be expected on an update so extensive( even that said, ive experienced little of the issues bouncing around)

But i'll come clean... the rep grind again is gunna kill me.... I'm delighted to be able to run Rom's! and cant wait to level my new toons ( I want four of these suckers!) I'm faced with the dread of the rep grind...

I've already been through it on 5 toons... ive chased more wabbits then i thought possible for rom rep, and grinded more stfs for gear then i think i ever did before rep (with random drops)... on 5 toons!

And while i love the new rommies I'll be bringing out... the thoughts of having to run them through rep again... (plus catching up on tholian rep with my existing 5 toons..) is a serious heart breaker...

While i can understand the original timegate on rep ( so we all had to have something to chase and keep us busy for s7) we've all been through it and then some... and its a killer to have to face it again for our new fancah rom toons.

Think about it, to get STF sets on toons (mk xii/xi) is in the region of about 30-40 stfs as is per toon, per set (omega mark wise) and if going the wabbits route (1500 marks per xii romulan space set) easily 3 weeks of wabbit hunting... this is after.... grinding through the rep already just to get there to begin with... its a double grind.. and a double grind we've already completed on many a toon im sure already...I'm jaded...

We now have LOR and lots of cool new Rom/Reman toons and I'm sure guys are busily levelling new KDF toons since we have great new KDF content, and will again face the horrible grind that is rep grind...

Forget about grinding to tier 5 rep to have access to xii stuff.... even with this completed, grinding xii stuff is another couple of weeks(40 stfs per xii space set alone per toon)



So basically without rambling further what i kindly ask the Devs... Let us completely enjoy LOR, make the rep grind ACCOUNT BOUND. We'll still have to grind STFS for omega marks or chase rabbits for ROM Marks and gear ( as we should, top level stuff deserves the effort) but not on a double grind....
We're all tired and weary of the rep grind and time gate... at least leave us only having to grind the marks, dilith and whatnot for the actually items we want... not havin to go through the whole grind again just for the pleasure of having to grind even more for our xii items...


People play to actually be able to play and use the fancah stuff we've earned not to just grind for the pleasure of unlocking to grind further... MMO's at endgame will always have grind but please not a double grind (which we've endured plenty by now..) Just let us enjoy our Rom's and earn the gear we've already slaved away for on other toons to unlock....

ACCOUNT WIDE REP PLEASE???? PRETTY PLEASE....! LET ME FULLY ENJOY LOR, WITHOUT HAVING TO GRIND AND GRIND THE GRIND OF S7..... AGAIN....

I'll give you dil, i give you cash for my new ships.... but i want to be able to enjoy them.... not just use them to grind to unlock a grind....

AGAIN, i stress I LOVE LOR and all your hard work... and merely ask to let me enjoy the fruits of your labour..
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  • pokersmith1pokersmith1 Member Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I could have been much more excited about LoR, but the thought of having to grind all over again turned me off. I had 10 toons to begin with, the romulan makes my 11th toon. And the fact that I play NW every so often does not help either. Account-bound reputation would most certainly be a boon.
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  • sparhawksparhawk Member Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    wildchild8 wrote: »
    ACCOUNT WIDE REP PLEASE???? PRETTY PLEASE....! LET ME FULLY ENJOY LOR, WITHOUT HAVING TO GRIND AND GRIND THE GRIND OF S7..... AGAIN....

    Quoted the most relevant part.
  • wildchild8wildchild8 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    sparhawk wrote: »
    Quoted the most relevant part.

    Thanks for that, i was about to edit the post to say skip to my CAPS if you're on a quick look in... :D
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  • mccarronxldmccarronxld Member Posts: 68 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Agreed. Well said OP :) All of the LoR features/improvements made me so excited to play STO again.. but that Rep grind.. killed it. :(
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  • wildchild8wildchild8 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hell I'll even make a compromise... I will happily pay 500 Zen per new toon to NOT TO HAVE TO GRIND TIER 5 REP AGAIN.... new players can purchase such an unlock having ground tier 5 per rep) on their first toon... (shooting myself in the foot giving the idea but thats how much I mean it)
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  • scififan78scififan78 Member Posts: 1,383 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    The way I would prefer it would be to have once one of your characters reach T5 Rep, then the rest of your characters would only have to do the "Claim Tier X" projects to unlock them. Then they would have to do any equipment projects in full.

    At the least, I would compromise that once one character unlocks the T5 rep, the rep projects (only the ones that award only rep xp) costs would be reduced by 50%.
  • sparhawksparhawk Member Posts: 796 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    scififan78 wrote: »
    The way I would prefer it would be to have once one of your characters reach T5 Rep, then the rest of your characters would only have to do the "Claim Tier X" projects to unlock them. Then they would have to do any equipment projects in full.

    That would work for me.
  • majesticmsfcmajesticmsfc Member Posts: 1,401 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Account bound is highly desired by players, where you grind up the tiers on one character and you just have to grind on each character for the store unlocks and items. That would be fair.

    I am not going to be grinding Nukara rep as I've had enough of the whole reputation grind as I have 3 Federations and 3 KDF that I would want to get the gear on, then with 3 Romulans that's nine characters and I only just got my first character through both Omega and Romulan on the 21st.

    In fact the reputation is driving me away from STO and I am looking into alternative MMO's, enjoying LOTRO atm.
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  • momawmomaw Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I'm also having extreme apathy toward my new Romulan. So far I've only done the tutorial part, since I've already played the first couple of campaigns during closed beta. I know that in order to get my character "up to speed" will require literal months of waiting, and lots of repetitions on missions I really don't enjoy doing. And until I do that, my Romulan will be crippled.

    Heck, I'm having real trouble summoning the enthusiasm to do the Tholian reputation on my 3 main characters. There's just no good way to get the marks. You can get Omega marks like crazy from doing ESTF missions, so that's not a problem. And you can get Romulan marks like crazy once you get an epohh production line going. But... Tholian marks? There's only 1 mission you can queue for, everything else requires going to Nukara which is boring and annoying after you've seen all the missions five times over.

    meh
  • lordgabelordgabe Member Posts: 58 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    OK counter point is... all mmo's have grind its a natural part of them they make you donig a daily grind here or there.

    Yea account wide would be nice but for me i've already done one toon and on my way with 2 others, it keeps me ocupied when there is less content about.
    I can't see them getting rid of or making them easier any of there time sinks, it undermines the work others have put in and gives you less to do in the lnog run. Same logic goes towards small fleets wanting help with levleing up... but how do you do that fairly??? Big changes like that will always upset someone.
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  • sunfranckssunfrancks Member Posts: 3,925 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    momaw wrote: »
    I'm also having extreme apathy toward my new Romulan. So far I've only done the tutorial part, since I've already played the first couple of campaigns during closed beta. I know that in order to get my character "up to speed" will require literal months of waiting, and lots of repetitions on missions I really don't enjoy doing. And until I do that, my Romulan will be crippled.

    Heck, I'm having real trouble summoning the enthusiasm to do the Tholian reputation on my 3 main characters. There's just no good way to get the marks. You can get Omega marks like crazy from doing ESTF missions, so that's not a problem. And you can get Romulan marks like crazy once you get an epohh production line going. But... Tholian marks? There's only 1 mission you can queue for, everything else requires going to Nukara which is boring and annoying after you've seen all the missions five times over.

    meh

    This, I have ZERO reasons to do the Tholian grind.
    The passives are not enough to do it, and apparently a dev already admitted that the sets you get are sub par to the ones I already have from Omega, so meh. :(

    I can maybe see doing the CE event every few days, but that wont be for the marks, because the reward even for elite is pitiful :rolleyes:
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  • clerigoptclerigopt Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    scififan78 wrote: »
    The way I would prefer it would be to have once one of your characters reach T5 Rep, then the rest of your characters would only have to do the "Claim Tier X" projects to unlock them. Then they would have to do any equipment projects in full.

    At the least, I would compromise that once one character unlocks the T5 rep, the rep projects (only the ones that award only rep xp) costs would be reduced by 50%.

    This ^^ Sign me up :)
  • aristotecharistotech Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    Hell, you could even make it work within the rep system. Make a Tier 5 project for each reputation that creates an account bound "recommendation" token that grants rep for that faction. Give it a two or three day cooldown so its not get to 50, instantly maxed unless you already have enough toons to recommend that large an advancement. Make it use some amount of unreplicated materials from crafting as a dil sink and maybe even encourage zen transactions. There, now the rep grinds are tolerable.
  • gallothrixgallothrix Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I have to admit, this is the most enjoyable expansion I have played in a MMO, and there have been many.
  • lukem2409lukem2409 Member Posts: 100 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    This is why I haven't made a Romulan Character, I just cleaned up my Klingon, got him some OK gear, I haven't done any rep grind on him, he's only using simply purple stuff from the Dil store.

    All my Fed toons are kitted up to the nines though, I've got one toon for each dept.

    Point is I CBF doing rep grind anymore it's painful, I would accept the compromise suggested above of just having to do the claim tier projects and then the full grind for the sets, I think that's a reasonable compromise, hell make the claim tier project a 20 hour instead of a 15 minute, I could handle that still. I've done it on my Feds and I won't do it again.
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  • wildchild8wildchild8 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lordgabe wrote: »
    OK counter point is... all mmo's have grind its a natural part of them they make you donig a daily grind here or there.

    Yea account wide would be nice but for me i've already done one toon and on my way with 2 others, it keeps me ocupied when there is less content about.

    Grinding is a part of any mmo agreed, but this is a double grind we face. the time gate being a big wait if anything!

    You say grind rep keeps you occupied.... I can imagine even yourself and others would happily be off playing other missions to keep yourself occupied, you probably do since it only takes a few mins to fill rep projects reqs, then its a waiting game every day.

    I myself actually grind alot of STF's just for the hell of it, cause i enjoy them they keep me occupied as you say. But its frustrating to have to see them as a chore, then wait for rep projects ive already waited on numberous times, BEEN THERE DONE THAT.... OWN THE T-SHIRT LADS :D

    The time gate does nothing to give people more to do, simple makes them wait. At least when grinding omega marks for gear or unlocks you feel like you EARNED them, the fruits of your grind, but tiering up is an extremely hollow and empty experience and a dredge and a drudge....can we move on from S7... and enjoy S8 in all its splendor?

    I'll happily grind tholian rep even as its a new rep, but then should be available on all my toons once ive completed in full the once.
    scififan78 wrote: »
    The way I would prefer it would be to have once one of your characters reach T5 Rep, then the rest of your characters would only have to do the "Claim Tier X" projects to unlock them. Then they would have to do any equipment projects in full.

    At the least, I would compromise that once one character unlocks the T5 rep, the rep projects (only the ones that award only rep xp) costs would be reduced by 50%.

    Sums it up very well, albeit the 50% in costs does nothing to help the situation, as even if projects are cheaper cost wise, you'll still be subject to the daily timegate no real change... rep projects arent hard to fill, its an stf a day per toon for example, its the months wait AGAIN thats the issue.
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  • kaltoumkaltoum Member Posts: 135 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    I approve this. The rep grind should be account wide.

    Two games that did rep grind right.... GW2 and SWTOR!
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  • felderburgfelderburg Member Posts: 853 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    lordgabe wrote: »
    OK counter point is... all mmo's have grind its a natural part of them they make you donig a daily grind here or there.

    "And if all of your friends jumped off a cliff, would you jump too?" The problem with grind, especially in STO, is the limited options for grinding. It's the same old thing, over and over again. If there was some sort of open-ended sandbox to grind in, or something, it might be better. Or if the endgame content was actually different for the three factions, it might be better. Unfortunately, for Omega, it's the same limited set of STFs, on every single character. Same with the other reps.

    Some missions are fun or fast, sure, but it doesn't do anyone any good when we can see that it's a transparent way to artificially keep us playing and hopefully take our money.
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  • drliriodrlirio Member Posts: 66 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    +1

    Reputation should be account wide.

    The more characters i have, the more zen i'll buy. If i have to repeat that horrible, artificial time and resource sink i just won't make more characters and will end up completely bored and quit the game. 8 chars here... only use 2 since the S7 "great" reputation system came in. Nice move Craptyc.

    And NO, NO, NO, NO WAY should you see an admiral running after a stupid romulan bunny, and even less be forced to do it because it's "the best way" to complete a stupid grind like the actual reputation system is. Is that clear, Cryptic??? Stop forcing the players to play the "grind content" you want the way you want it, and start producing real endgame content.
  • thumpyechothumpyecho Member Posts: 298 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    +1.5

    ....saw your comments on the PESTF channel the other night...very amusing............

    .....buuuutttttt......I have a feelling this will go "working as intended":mad: as the mail "fix" has :mad:......(not trying to hijack the thread just drawing a comparison).......
  • wildchild8wildchild8 Member Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited May 2013
    drlirio wrote: »
    +1

    Reputation should be account wide.

    -snip-

    And NO, NO, NO, NO WAY should you see an admiral running after a stupid romulan bunny, and even less be forced to do it because it's "the best way" to complete a stupid grind like the actual reputation system is. -snip-

    Have to agree also.... never liked the idea but it is the best way to grind rom marks unfortunately, does feel a bit demeaning having my bad TRIBBLE war mongering Klink or top brass Admiral Ambassador Fed running around chasing romulan wabbits... an increase in Rom marks for rom missions would be very welcome so we can grind proudly blowning stuff up with our fancah zen ships.

    that aside, the issue is the rep grind, so ill stick to that for now.
    thumpyecho wrote: »
    +1.5

    ....saw your comments on the PESTF channel the other night...very amusing............

    lols i may have had a few ales on me at the time... but the sentiment still rings loud! =D
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