Better dead than Fed!

variant37 · May 2013

I saw people mention this when they were playing through the Romulan arc on Tribble, but now that I've played through it myself, I have to say...

Any Romulan that sides with the Federation after going through the first few story missions should be ashamed of themselves. I'm not going to go into spoilery specifics, but having the Federation do a song and dance about the Prime Directive (which we all know is ignored whenever it's convenient) and possibly providing aid to you while the Klingons are actively helping you fight against your enemies speaks volumes.

methodus2063 · May 2013

You kidding. The Klingons where talking about annexing your new world by force up until the point you make a decision, and both delegates didn't seem to think you were worth their time until the incident.

The federation, while not always reliable, has at least been helping the roimulans for the last 30 years, despite the vulcan. Frankly both choices are equally justified. And I frankly want the ally who wanted me before the incident, because frankly the Klingons are worse then Romulans when it comes to racial equality with in the Empire.

bitemepwe · May 2013

Or better yet, just dead feds....
Though truth be told the KDF got better adherence to thier IP culture in how thier KDF missions are written compared to the feds which is all over the place and adheres to nothing resembling the UFP or star fleet for most of thier fed only missions.
I feel my actions are KDF when playing KDF but my fed actions when I play fed missions makes me feel like the Im actually the Shadows from Bab5 without the coolness factor.

bunansa · May 2013

Wait what?

Path to 2409 must not have been read...like you know after the whole home planet blowing up, the KDF continously and agressivly attacked Romulan Space, cause it was considered a weak and prime time to finish the empire off...

Federation on the other hand...handed out supplies, aided when asked, and other little things...kinda like fema but just as late into the game...but at least they didnt go all power mad hungry and say...lets attack the romulan empire theyre weak!

I do not bite the hand that fed me....(get it...ha ha ha..oh nvm)

cleve1970 · May 2013

Both factions want one thing from the Romulans, technology. Romulans have harnessed singularity energy and cloaking technology to name a few. If it was up to me I would not have joined either faction due to the fact that they want to "mooch" off of Romulan technology. But due to the storyline "forcing" a choice out of me I choose the Federation, they seemed to be the most gullible.

skyranger1414 · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

........while the Klingons are actively helping you fight against your enemies speaks volumes.

It does, it means the devs in charge of that mission want to see the KDF grow.

methodus2063 · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

and possibly providing aid to you while the Klingons are actively helping you fight against your enemies speaks volumes.

You do realize that it was in klingon space, and I doubt the Federation brought a combat capable ship to these diplomatic talks, so yeah, it makes sense that there are no fed help, but I think they should have, to balance both sides.

variant37 · May 2013

skyranger1414 wrote: »

It does, it means the devs in charge of that mission want to see the KDF grow.

Of course we all know that's the real reason for the story playing out the way it did. But still KDF players will whine that the devs never do anything for them.

variant37 · May 2013

methodus2063 wrote: »

You do realize that it was in klingon space, and I doubt the Federation brought a combat capable ship to these diplomatic talks, so yeah, it makes sense that there are no fed help, but I think they should have, to balance both sides.

No, that doesn't make sense at all. Any Federation diplomatic envoy sent into a border area controlled by a faction that they're at war with, where they know the Tal Shiar is operating, would be accompanied by at least one formidable and heavily-armed escort.

So...we can assume from this that the Fed simply chose to sit by and do nothing, just as Picard did when Gowron asked for his assistance in "Redemption".

aveimperator · May 2013

Truthfully, the whole mission DOES seem to favor a KDF alliance over the Federation. You're on a Klingon station, you get helped by a Klingon captain/ship, there's a lot of impressive talk about honoring sacrifice and destroying your enemies, whereas the Federation diplomat is more obnoxious than anything else.

That said, it *does* make sense that the Klingons would be first to respond to an enemy incursion into THEIR SPACE around their station. In addition, I admire Admiral T'nae's chops when you talk to her. The KDF delegates give you the "I'm not sure we have a reason to trust you..." sneer, whereas T'nae just flat out says "I don't trust you."

Also, having played through the new KDF tutorial, I was never particularly interested in playing KDF, but now I actively don't want to based on one simple truth: Klingons are @*#%ing stupid.

variant37 · May 2013

bunansa wrote: »

Path to 2409 must not have been read...

Who wrote that? Right, the Federation. Nothing but a bunch of two-faced poltical propaganda.

variant37 · May 2013

aveimperator wrote: »

Klingons are @*#%ing stupid.

Which is why you roll a Gorn for KDF.

Why do you think the head KDF diplomat is Gorn (S'taaas or whatever his name is)? Why are all the KDF science ships Gorn?

Because the Gorn, as unbelievable as this is going to sound, are the smartest guys in the KDF.

royalsovereign · May 2013

bitemepwe wrote: »

... my fed actions when I play fed missions makes me feel like the Im actually the Shadows from Bab5 without the coolness factor.

Great, now I want a Tholian pet colored black to follow me around everywhere. *starts a new Fed character named Morden...*

carrowcanary · May 2013

bunansa wrote: »

I do not bite the hand that fed me....(get it...ha ha ha..oh nvm)

Get out :mad:

variant37 · May 2013

royalsovereign wrote: »

Great, now I want a Tholian pet colored black to follow me around everywhere. *starts a new Fed character named Morden...*

Well we just got Shadow vessels in the game so there's no reason why we shouldn't have the Shadows themselves. I'd like to request playable Narn while we're at it.

cleve1970 · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

No, that doesn't make sense at all. Any Federation diplomatic envoy sent into a border area controlled by a faction that they're at war with, where they know the Tal Shiar is operating, would be accompanied by at least one formidable and heavily-armed escort.

So...we can assume from this that the Fed simply chose to sit by and do nothing, just as Picard did when Gowron asked for his assistance in "Redemption".

To say Picard did nothing was incorrect. He was following orders from Starfleet Command who takes their orders from the United Federation of Planets, which are clearly against direct involvement in any matters of internal politics. The matter was internal Klingon politics, Gowron realized Duras had many allies and was desperate for aid. Besides Picard discovering that the Romulans were secretly supplying the Duras faction did far more damage then any direct military aid would have done.

variant37 · May 2013

cleve1970 wrote: »

To say Picard did nothing was incorrect.

I should have been more specific. I was referring to the scene in Redemption Pt. 1 where Gowron's Vor'cha is under heavy attack by BoPs, he sends out a distress signal, and the Enterprise turns around and flies away.

I would expect that is exactly how the Federation would react during the story mission where you're attacked by the Tal Shiar and the KDF arrives to assist you.

coldicephoenix · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

I should have been more specific. I was referring to the scene in Redemption Pt. 1 where Gowron's Vor'cha is under heavy attack by BoPs, he sends out a distress signal, and the Enterprise turns around and flies away.

I would expect that is exactly how the Federation would react during the story mission where you're attacked by the Tal Shiar and the KDF arrives to assist you.

Picard is no Sisko or even Janeway for that matter

Picard was all about rulez rulez rulez

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peter1z9 · May 2013

The Roleplay element would lean heavily towards the Federation. From as far back as the Khitomer massacre to the Klingon attacks after the Hobus explosion, the Klingons and Romulans have bitterly distrusted and hated eachother. Then there's the whole reunification thing with Vulcan.

The only (and huge) reason I am choosing the KDF for my first Romulan is for DOFFing. Marauding is just so much more profitable and fun than diplomacy. I like to send my DOFFs ransacking and pillaging everything in sight. :P

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cleve1970 · May 2013

coldicephoenix wrote: »

Picard is no Sisko or even Janeway for that matter Picard was all about rulez rulez rulez

Ah yes I remember that now, I did think that was very shady that Picard did not come to Gowron's aid after sending out a distress call. Captain Kirk would have jumped into that fight before Gowron closed the transmission LOL

cleve1970 · May 2013

edalgo wrote: »

Well at that time the federation was in peacetime operations and not looking for conflict.

Now the federation is saddled with conflicts at nearly every border and are looking to make more strategic moves rather than take the moral high ground even if it means shooting themselves in the foot.

I chose the Federation. Now we get battlecloak, leech and true battlecruisers.

Also I chose Federation bc of a growing number of Romulans seek reunification with the Vulcans. An obvious reason for the federation.

I do wonder if somewhere down the road all Romulans and Remans cut their alliances and unite to form their own independent faction.

I'm very surprised that the Remans didn't act on the disaster to do just that, after what the Romulan's did to them. Like you said it may still happen. The Reunification was the biggest driving force in my personal decision in choosing Federation as allies. I laughed when I saw that you can use Federation ships once you choose an alliance, I would never give up my Romulan beauty.

methodus2063 · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

No, that doesn't make sense at all. Any Federation diplomatic envoy sent into a border area controlled by a faction that they're at war with, where they know the Tal Shiar is operating, would be accompanied by at least one formidable and heavily-armed escort.

So...we can assume from this that the Fed simply chose to sit by and do nothing, just as Picard did when Gowron asked for his assistance in "Redemption".

Actually it does. A federation diplomat would come in a decent ship, but I highly doubt that the Klingons would allow a heavily armed ship in, even if it was carrying a diplomat, on a diplomatic mission. So the ship would not be one of star fleets most powerful. A star fleet would agree to this simply because they want to broker peace. There are several cases of this in the Shows (Including TNG where the Diplomat's envoy got vaporized and the Diplomat had to learn to communicate on his own) where the chance of peace outweighed the risk for being attacked or ambushed.

And even if they did bring a ship like the Enterprise E, the Klingons would not allow it to help out as a matter of pride. Even your ship was told not to interfere, and if it weren't for how helpful you proved to be, You would have been in trouble. If a Federation ship made any attempt to help, the Klingons might not hesitate to attack it, claiming that it was attacking them, or acting aggressively.

Lastly, the prime directive does not apply here, because it's not a matter only involving one faction. The fact that the feds did not help could either equate to them following the Klingon orders, or they were showing respect to the Klingons and assumed they didn't need help. There were no distress calls, and things happened rather fast, with no signs of either us or the Klingons needing help.

Frankly, I'm surprised that there was only one Klingon ship defending the place.

talzerotwo · May 2013

Sounds like another klingon 'we never get nada' bit

aveimperator · May 2013

variant37 wrote: »

Which is why you roll a Gorn for KDF.

Why do you think the head KDF diplomat is Gorn (S'taaas or whatever his name is)? Why are all the KDF science ships Gorn?

Because the Gorn, as unbelievable as this is going to sound, are the smartest guys in the KDF.

This cracked me up, heheh. Funny because it's true.

amosov78 · May 2013

The Klingons would have "requested" the Federation starship stay out of the action, as they also try to do to your character, and I'd imagine any sane Starfleet captain would obey since it isn't their space, and are "guests" of the Klingon Empire.

batdace · May 2013

Story wise the Klingons didn't seem that open to working together. They came off as very rude to me. Maybe I was reading through the dialoges to fast and missed something.

Gamewise, I think there is better development for the Federation. I love my Orion KDF character but the Federation side does offer more options when it comes to ship choices and costume designs as well as bridge officer choices.

erfleming · May 2013

I went KDF just because I believed my toon would be more inclined to continue working with them after the events depicted in the campaign - the sacrifice of his Repulic superior to save the Klingon diplomat at the conference, the intervention of the I.K.S. Kang to help him deal with the surrounding Tal Shiar ships, etc.. From my toon's perspective, I just thought that working with the Klingons would be something that, for all practical purposes, he felt he had already started (and was obligated to continue after Temek sacrificed himself to preserve hopes of an alliance). The Feds stood around, expressed regret, etc., but the Klingons had already forged that bond that only exists in combat. What's more, siding with the Klingons represented an even greater putting aside of the past. While there was no great level of trust between the Feds and the old empire, a Federation colony had never been subject to the kind of unprovoked massacre as Khitomer and other Klingon planets had been during the last Klingon-Romulan war.

QUESTION, though: If you do go Fed, do you at least have access to the Fed's PVE content?
One thing I do find frustrating about playing Romulan-KDF is that there seems to be almost NO PVE content.

Better dead than Fed!

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