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Quad Cannons & Why they are so great.
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I think I should explain for refference that in fleet actions I _Always_ get first place. In the past 3 weeks there have been 3 times ( without exageration) That I got second place and all of those were because the server made me join extremely late in the match. This is good refference so that you know that I know a thing or two about how to build a DPS boat.
What people are missing about quad cannons besides that they are just slightly more DPS then fleet is that Quad Cannons deplete from the ENGINE part of the power grid but still calculate damage from power in weapons. Since weapon damage is partly based on weapon power in the grid and because quads don't deplete that part of the grid it makes ALL energy weapons do more damage.
I wanted to help sell some Sao Paulo escorts as a thanks to Cryptic for their work on S7, I should warn peeps Sao Paulo doesn't count towards fleet tac escort ship module reduction. However I feel quad cannons are essential to a top DPS build, I just cannabilized mine and put them on a fleet tac escort.
I look forward to seeing you all in the game. -ANX
What people are missing about quad cannons besides that they are just slightly more DPS then fleet is that Quad Cannons deplete from the ENGINE part of the power grid but still calculate damage from power in weapons. Since weapon damage is partly based on weapon power in the grid and because quads don't deplete that part of the grid it makes ALL energy weapons do more damage.
I wanted to help sell some Sao Paulo escorts as a thanks to Cryptic for their work on S7, I should warn peeps Sao Paulo doesn't count towards fleet tac escort ship module reduction. However I feel quad cannons are essential to a top DPS build, I just cannabilized mine and put them on a fleet tac escort.
I look forward to seeing you all in the game. -ANX
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Thank you mastergenera1.
It is worth it fed side because Fleet Tactical Escorts have 5 tactical console slots. The only way to get that KDF side is with the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship which is a very good ship but it's also been priced anywhere between 200 million and 600 million ECs. I was in favor of the 24 million EC equivelent Fleet Tactical Escort myself
**Edit: As pointed out by Mastergenera1 the Bortas has 5 tactical consoles. Sorry for any confusion.
Edit: just looked the tactical bortas gets 5 tac consoles :P
It also turns like a brick.
Oh no. My mistake, I will edit the above to correspond.
Winning Fleet Actions is not all about DPS. As long as you have decent damage and stick to only the objective targets you almost sure to get 1st place (unless your paired with other people doing same thing, though most of the STO community is pretty ignorant).
My question is how GOOD are these cannons really? I was contemplating on them or PDS. I know from my experience with them on my klink, PDS can easily rip out 3k DPS for 10 secs.
I mean are they really THAT much better over other MK XII phaser dual heavy cannons?
They're slightly better than normal, random drop Mk.XII purples, due to the fact that they get 4 weapon modifiers instead of the normal 3, bringing them in line with Advanced Fleet Weapons. One of the big downsides of those modifiers is, though, that they're [Dmg]x4.
I've parsed a few, prolonged damage cycles between them and the old Omega/Borg DHCs and the difference between them was very, very small. If you're already running fleet weapons, there isn't really much to gain from them, other than the unique visuals and sounds.
WOW, the amount of misinformation in only 3 sentences here is incredible. quad phasers not only drain 10 weapon power as all DHC do, they need additional 10 engine power too.:eek:
on top of that they have the worst modifiers for DHC
the only thing they are good for is to level a toon...once you hit max level get rid of them, quickly!
a dmg mod adds 6 dps tp dhc normaly. 1 mark adds about 8 dps that makes quad cannons allways 3 marks above a common DHC. in other words quad cannons are MK XIV common DHC with an extra drain on engine power and a nice effect.
as a comparison advanced fleet DHC are uncommon MK XIV
misinformation, lol...
Standard DHC take 12 weapon power, not 10.
Kumari Wing Cannons take 15
Beams and single cannons take 10.
Turrets and the cutting beam take 8.
The more you know...
Edit: I stopped using my Quads because I don't run phasers anymore on my MV (<3 phased polaron) and on my Kumari I liked the all blue look, but the engine drain on the Quad's is actually kinda nice, at least in PvE. It means while I am on an attack run my speed drops slightly, so I keep my target in front of me for longer before I need to change directions. They also particularly rock on a Kumari, as the lesser weapon drain helps to offset the added drain from the wing cannons. I just like the all matching look.
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i'm curious why you didn't mention the quad fireing animation...it's obvious you are going more after good looks than performance.
after all quad cannons parse at the level of rare [crtD] [crtH] mk XII DHC...ok against npc's, but thats about it
I dont run fleet weapons and never will. Complete waste IMO. I run Phaser DHCs Accx3 in PVP and Romulan DHCs CrtDx2 in PvE tho I rarely run PvE as the PvE in STO is a joke for the most part as far as challenge wise.
The math supporting power usage around them is beneficial, but the reality is there are better weapons. And to be honest, all the math in the world is USELESS when you can't pilot your ship.
The pilot is what makes the ship deadly. Not the 'potential' DPS.
Fleet weapons are nice, and reasonable if you're building out a fleet. 25K dil per, vs 30 Million ec per [acc]x3. CritD and H are more useful, and surprisingly hold out in all DPS tests so far.
[borg] < advanced fleet < romulan rep < elite fleet.
When the elite fleet weapons become available to me, I plan to revisit a number of builds primarily so I can re-add these lovelies to my ships with an all phaser build.
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Advanced fleet weapons are only a waste SOMETIMEs. Accx2 and Accx3 weapons can be extremely expensive on the exchange depending on the damage type, and now that Advanced Fleet weapons are available in Accx2 Dmgx2 flavor, they are extremely cost effective compared to buying off the exchange.
Not to mention that for Antiproton weapons they are effectively THE only option for Mk XIIs in Accx2.
The are also the best plasma and disruptor options open to casual players who have trouble with romulan reputation and can't afford the inflated exchange prices on Accx2 weapons.
Elite fleet weapons are a different kettle of fish, since they force you into a phaser build fed side and the special proc is more or less good depending on what setup you are running.
On topic, the quads look great and are awesome for levelling, but I can't see running them over most other weapons in a serious endgame build.
Cheers!
However I would love to know how many shots quads fire per cycle as some things proc per shots and some per cycle. For example energy procs get applied on a cycle from what I remember but things like DEM and tetryon glider get applied per shot. If quads are firing twice as many shots as DCs which fire twice as many as DHCs then 1 quad cannon could apply the same number of DEM and tetryon glider damage modifiers as 4 DHCs.
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Has damage got out of control?
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I have similar numbers, but I run plasma
What does Advanced Combat Tracker / ACT measure your sustained DPS at?
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but seriously.
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this ^^^^^^^
They might not serve a purpose of being over powered. But the effects are killer. So I will keep on using them on my Defiant. Plus to me it isn't the Defiant without them. Since the show used them.
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yes, As i posted in another thread the ONLY time they are worth getting if your budget cannot afford the energy type you want in accx2 for pvp and/or AP.
but the modifiers are what make it useless. Acc is not needed in PvE as you practically never miss and the DMG modifiers are the most useless in game, so yes they are pointless for 98% of STO players in PvE.
I don't think people realize how much better and how cheap most PvE weapons are off the exchange. Use the resources you WOULD have spent of the weapons and get rommy Boffs for nice critz, kits and embassy consoles..then burn the rest on Random/Tactical Purple Duty Officers from Starbase some go for up to 30m+
This is a misconception. It spills over into Severity not critical chance. But yes, the rest of your argument is true.