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SERIOUS Kudos to the devs on the latest updates to ships!
glassguitar
Member Posts: 427 Arc User
This is just a shout out giving props to the devs for hearing our feedback and giving us a choice of ships for the three different careers at Sub-admiral Rank! I was seriously not happy about the idea of scis with no subsystem targetting or Tacs with no turn rate. I absolutely LOVE the three variants you are offering now, and they seem be balanced very well against KDF and Fed counterparts.
Before this update I was planning on just buying a Dhelan for my Rommie Sci Officer and dealing with it, now I will get the Dhelan and the Guardian and find a way to get T5 shipyard access for the fleet version of the Guardian.
End result:
Before the changes: Cryptic sells one Dhelan retrofit and One Fleet Module
After the changes: Cryptic sells one Dhelan Retrofit and FIVE ship modules and some lucky fleet gets 20 million ECs from me for T5 access.
I am very excited about having both the ships and the options of different setups for different PvP groups.
THANK YOU DEVS!
Before this update I was planning on just buying a Dhelan for my Rommie Sci Officer and dealing with it, now I will get the Dhelan and the Guardian and find a way to get T5 shipyard access for the fleet version of the Guardian.
End result:
Before the changes: Cryptic sells one Dhelan retrofit and One Fleet Module
After the changes: Cryptic sells one Dhelan Retrofit and FIVE ship modules and some lucky fleet gets 20 million ECs from me for T5 access.
I am very excited about having both the ships and the options of different setups for different PvP groups.
THANK YOU DEVS!
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"We are smart." - Grebnedlog
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Yeah. they keep getting closer to good. However it doesn't matter what they change on the D'deridex if they keep it at 5 turn. You could give it 5 tac consoles, and it still won't matter. With 5 turn, you are stuck with beams which cannot hurt anyone.
Please, please PLEASE devs take note. Low turn=not fun, in any way shape or form. You may have a handful of people who think its fun to RP and think they are tough in a big slow cruiser, but they are not the majority, and they are not tough.
Please, for the love of pete, give some decent cruisers to someone other than KDF. I really would like to get into pvp again. However I have been stuck with a fed cruiser in which again, low turn=not fun.
3 years of feedback and I am shocked that you have not grasped this concept.
All the escorts are great now though. Shocking.
The T'Varo is the B'Rel of the Romulan Navy. But turns slower.
Notice the theme?
Romulans take their time turning. They're chill. You should chillax with them.
For me, before changes Cryptic was going to sell a starter pack and a fleet Mogai.
After changes, Cryptic lost both sales. With nothing interesting enough to replace it with.
+2
Lost 2 ship sales here to
at least give us back the Mogai =(
Now just crossing fingers for new lockbox ship and scimitar.
ParadiseKiller
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Zeadonouse
ToLate
The T'Varo is not the B'rel of the Romulans by no means other than enhanced cloak. Its the Defiant, but turns better.
I am sorry, but I will not chillax. The turn rate is too slow to have any remote effectiveness in pvp. Neither of the cruisers will not have any kind of effectiveness in pvp. I like cruisers. I like flying cruisers. Anything lower than a 7 base is worthless.
I mean, why put cannons on the stupid thing at all? You can't use em.
For me, its the oppositve. I always wanted to fly an end game Valdore, but when I looked at the old Mogai readout I went like "No, dont want that"
Now the new Retrofit Mogai stats fit the armored, heavy looks of a Valdore perfectly.
So for me, this is a sale.
Also, with 1 RCS console the Deridex will turn great and bring its DHCs to bear on any foolish borg in an STF.
I don't give a flying pig about borg in STFs. 1 RCS will give it roughly 7 base. Hardly enough for beams let alone DHCs. You already have plenty of ships for your boring STFs (read ANY ship). Why is it so much to ask for a decent pvp cruiser fed side?
But you pvers continue raving that the thing is going to turn awesome. You are who the devs listen to, which is why it will go live with 5 base turn. Yay! :rolleyes:
Do know that the D'deridex was described even bigger of a space whale than the Galaxy.... but in STO if you KNOW how to use Beams Right you can hurt people quite nastily. It's not that hard to get at least 1k dps per beam, hell even seen people doing 2k a beam without a sweat.
What Cryptic should consider before releasing anything.
Yes, it is quite easy to get 2k dps per beam. However DPS means squat. Practically any escort can out tank that without a sweat. Beams don't hurt man, no matter what you do to them.
Whaaat? I used 2 mark IV blue RCs consoles and it turned like the breen escort!
I call BS on you here, as its clear you have no idea what you are talking about.
1 Mk IV blue RCS = .99 turn on the D'D. 2 of them would give you roughly +2. So 7.5.
Hardly even the base of 13 on the breen ship. Try again.
The BEST you can possibly get with 4 RCS, Tachyo, 9 in impulse thrusters, and cloak is roughly 16-17, max. It is nothing short of a joke, and a middle finger to anyone who wants to try and pvp with one.
Not everyone is content with just pve in this game, and I really wish you would stop arguing as if nobody matters but you and your pve crowd.
Umm really I beg to differ
with 6pt in thrusters and a Tachyokinetic console = 9.1 turn at 1/4 impulse
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u389/kapla1755/closed%20beta/2013-05-11_00007.jpg
same equipment while in cloak = 23.3 turn
http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u389/kapla1755/closed%20beta/2013-05-11_00010.jpg
Bullcrap. Between a decent combat impulse engine, impoved RCS modules, a decent singularity core; new-and-improved EPtE, Aux2Damp, APA, APO, EM, and battle cloak; and ample science slots for your choice of GW, ES, and TB; if you can't keep a D'Deridex on-target with DHC's*, you're just bad and you should feel bad.
Spock's Brain.
No its not described as an even bigger space whale then the Galaxy.
Its twice as big and is SLOWER....
Not less maneuverable its SLOWER!!!!
There is no reason for its crappy turn rate....
Of course there is no real reason for any ship in the game to have crappy turn rates since all ships have something which negates inertia....
Everyone here says the T'Varo is the Romulan B'rel. Who am I to argue with everyone? Chillax my man. Chillllllllax!
Is that 9.1 in that jpg there? Didn't he just say 16-17? So I mean, really, what is it you're differing with?
That's a lot of stuff dedicated to turning. But across the board, most other ships can do a lot of that stuff and turn far far better.
Think of it this way. 5 base for the D'Deridex. All those buffs. Sweet!
20 base for the JHAS. All those buffs. LOLWUT?
The highlighted sections are the difference and this is on the T3 D'deridex so 7 consoles (3 eng,2 sci, 2 tac) . Apparently a Tachyokinetic console is better than 2 - Blue Mk IV RCS consoles on tribble atm. The point being if the 1 - tachy console will get you to 9.1 turn at lvl 30 and it scales with level at around lvl 50 you could possibly be pulling a 10 turn out of cloak and most likely a 30 in cloak. Flying it on tribble at the moment with (fore - DBB, DHC, Quads, Torp, aft - trts x2, Hargh'peng) and have not had any difficulty keeping weapons on target. Tis not an escort turn wise by any means, but somewhere between my Bortas and Vor'cha turn wise, once into cloak its like driving a battlecruiser and thats without using engine bats or evasive manuevers. the engine power setting atm is at 33 before any boosts, since i favor a weapons heavy setting for max DHC damage. If you like flying escorts its probably not gonna be something you like, but if you like flying cruisers it's an interesting option.
That is what I'm differing with
Good Hunting
Precisely how many of those ships can cloak, mount dual cannons, have a rock-solid BOff slotting, and have cruiser hull and shields in the same package?
Spock's Brain.
ahhhhhh but theres the rub eh ? I don't think they care about pvp
I disliked the Mogai's layout, so I would be using only the free veteran reward retrofit for it.
But now I'll buy the fleet One (Depending on situation, may buy the retrofit as well so that I can save on fleet marks if I want more then one Fleet Mogai).
And I'll also be buying the D'ridthau costume for the fleet Deridex ( i like the new stats) .
So before the patch : Valdore.
After the patch : Valdore, D'ridthau and either maybe 8 fleet modules, or Mogai Retrofit and 5 or more fleet modules , depending math wise how many fleet Mogais I want, which option is cheaper... to buy the Refit and save on the modules, or that I buy full modules and use the vet token for the retrofits. Oh and I almost forgot 2 or 4 more character slots.
Either way, this is a sale for Cryptic.
And yeah. I dont care about pvp, I never did it, never will, I'm fine with pve.