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novemberalpha
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what would be the best escort to get out of the 3 is you are a tac officer
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My engineering captain flies the Kumari.
But that's just my preference. I think a tactical officer can make use of all three, but each one flies a wee bit different.
Of the special consoles I find the science one to be the most useful, the tactical one to be the most fun and the wing cannon pets from the engineering console I only use to goof around with in Tau Dewa patrols.
Layout-wise, the Charal is the least awful one, but there are better escorts out there.
The fore weapons I run are Phaser Quad Cannons, Wing Cannons, 1 Phaser DHC, Borg Torp, and Romulan Torp. The Aft weapons Phaser Turret and borg cutting beam. Also run the 5 Phaser consoles for damage and the 3 andorian consoles, 2 Omega pieces, 1 borg engine. That way you have 3 set bonus Andorian, 2 Set bonus Omega, 2 Set Bonus Borg (I have the borg console), 2 set bonus Romulan (Console and Torp). I am also at the top of both reputation system and maxed out my crit damage.
I started with the MVAE with Antiprotons. Then I moved to the Fleet escort with antiprotons and 5 consoles. (Big Leap in Damage) Then I moved to the kumari. (Another huge leap in damage because of the 5 frontal weapons and the wing cannons). Since I don't have a bug ship, I think that I am maxed out for dps until the level cap is lifted so I am holding tight till the level cap is lifted.
However, PVP this build stinks. You will need the engineering Kumarri for your tac or another escort.
Whoa, whoa, whoa there. Since when is swapping a turret for a fifth DHC up front anything but an upgrade for an Escort? And since when does the Fleet Patrol Escort have an inefficient BOff layout?
You certainly don't have to equip the Wing Cannons, since the special consoles are largely gimmicks that take up valuable console space and, once you get past that hangup, can do some pretty cool things with Disruptor and/or Plasma setups on the Kumari escorts.
To the OP: I'd recommend trying them to see what suits you best, since you can claim the pack on every character on your account after purchasing it. The Sci and Eng variants have essentially the same BOff seating with different console loadouts, so there's not necessarily a whole lot to differentiate the two of them, but the Tac version is pretty unique.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
Who is talking about the fleet defiant? o_0 None of the andorian ships have a layout like the fleet defiant.
That's my point. You buy c-store ships for consoles and with these ships you have to ditch the consoles, only to keep the empty hull. There are better escorts hulls out there.
I don't recommend dropping 5000 zen on these ships just to "test" them. They are mediocre. They have crappy consoles. They'll make you die a lot and don't deal more damage than cheaper alternatives with better boff layouts.
And as far as BOFF layout is concerned. The Fleet Defiant has a completely useless Ens Tac slot. The Charal and Khyzon both have much better layouts, which can be configured similarly as the Jem'Hadar Attack Ship (altough the JHAS has 2 universal Lt slots, thus is slightly more versatile). The only Andorian ship with a bad layout is the Kumari Tac version.
Now regarding the Andorian Escorts in general, the Khyzon is the best in my opinion. It has 5 forward weapons with 4 Tac console slots, thus the best possible forward DPS output of any escort in the game. However, you WILL need 2 RCS Accelerator consoles to maximize damage, as the base turn rate of 16 is hardly adequate, especially for PVP play. In PVE it doesn't really matter, you will obliterate everything anyway. It also has 4 Sci console slots which gives it a huge advantage. You can fill those with shield cap and regen consoles, or even flow caps to boost Tet glider, etc.
The ship is a fine escort, but not worth 5000 Zen. Just buy the Khyzon or Charal depending on what you want - more Sci or Eng consoles. All of their special consoles and the Wing cannons are below average, not worth the cost.
Just highlighting for emphasis. Expensive hull with useless consoles.
The Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit (not the patrol escort because who the hell would buy a t1 shipyard ship?) has 8 tac skill slots. Unless you have an abundance of attack pattern CD reduction Conn Officers from no longer available boxes, you need 2 tac teams, 2 attack pattern beta, 2 torpedo spreads (1+3), and 2 CSVs for the perfect PvE layout. You can get away with 1 TT and 3 CD reduction doffs, but then you'll lose one projectile doff and both shield regen after brace for impact doffs, which both reduce your output and make you squishier.
1. Both Khyzon and Charal have 4 tac consoles, 2 tac boffs, and a 5/2 weapon layout.
2. The Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit has 3 tac boffs, 5 tac consoles, and a 4/3 weapon layout. You can get it with a t3 fleet shipyard, and you can equip it with a cloaking console if you have the c-store version of this ship.
You don't gain a DHC out of nowhere by picking an andorian ship. Instead, you give up 1 turret, up to 30% energy weapon damage on all 6-7 weapons, 1 tac skill slot, and 1 tac boff slot you could have used for a romulan officer.
This.
The only 5 console Fed ships are the Fleet Tactical Escort Retrofit and Fleet Advanced Escort.
Also, each MK XII purple tactical console gives my DHCs 90 more DPS (or 450 more overall fore damage if you use 4xDHCs). A 5th DHC would give you much more damage output than a tactical console. Not counting weapon power levels, each one of my DHCs does about ~1,400, rounded down (5,600 fore DPS with 4xDHCs).
4 Science Consoles is the way to go.
You can make the universal slot science, and run 2 copies of transfer shield strength with 3 embassy emitter arrays, and still have polrarize hull and hazzard emitters, or 2 copies of HE.
How can you possibly have more "frontloaded damage" with one less front weapon slot?
I don't know what beam overload setup you are running, but I'm pretty sure you can do it better with a khyzon or Charal.
Fleet patrol escort doesn't have 5 tac slots, the Fleet Advanced escort does. http://sto.gamepedia.com/Fleet_Patrol_Escort
Nice hair splitting. Are you going to find a missing oxford comma next and use it to prove the superiority of your turret-less ship? Seriously.
Hair splitting? You said the patrol escort had 5 tactical consoles. That's not hair splitting. It has the same 4 tactical consoles the Charal and Khyzon have. But those ships have a 5th forward weapon slot.
I have a Khyzon that I use with my Science Officer, and I love it. I also know quite a few other people who have them too, Khyzon, Charal and Kumari class. One's a Tac who uses the Khyzon, another specialises in pure damage and uses the Kumari.
Go with what you like.
I'm sorry but your whole point became irrelevant when you mentioned PvE. Any half decent build with Mk XI rare equipment works for PvE and eSTFs in this game. Fleet Defiant or Andorian, it doesn't matter, you can do great with both.
In general, all you need on an escort as far as Tac slots are concerned is one Cmdr. station and one Lt. Cmdr station. You won't have 3 Romulan Officers but you gain a useful Sci or Eng ability instead. And as far as your TT Cd reduction DOFFs are concerned, in case you didn't know, one purple + one blue give you the max possible Cd reduction already. Slotting 3 is a waste of a DOFF slot. You only gain the bonus to Attack patterns from the third one, which is just a side effect basically.
5 Tac consoles and 4 DHCs is still less forward DPS than 5 DHCs and 4 Tac consoles. This is fact and can't really be disputed.
Also please don't twist my words next time. I said the following: Kumari Phaser Wing Cannons are TRIBBLE - which is true, and that the Andorian 3-pack is not worth the 5000 Zen just because of the 3 bad consoles and the wing cannons. The Andorian Khyzon and the Charal are fully worth the 2500 Zen they each cost.
Yeah, I was talking about pulling the Wing Cannons off and using another actual DHC. Swapping a rear turret for a front DHC makes a very appreciable damage difference.
No one except you, apparently. The Fleet Tactical Escort is not the Fleet Patrol Escort, which can share a BOff layout with the Charal or the Khyzon, depending on how you want to set them up. The Andorian Escorts lose a negligible amount of hull and shields in return for a significant damage boost over the Fleet Patrol Escort.
Some C-Store ships you buy for the consoles, but not the Andorian Escort family. No, you buy the Andorian Escort family for the hulls, since there are no other ships in the game with 5 fore weapon slots. Their hulls are completely unique, and there's nothing else like them.
Dying a lot is on you. They can be just as survivable as the Fleet Patrol Escort, which is generally regarded as having fair to good survivability for an Escort. Their crappy consoles can be safely ignored for their completely unique weapons layout that is categorically better than any other ship in the game. Their 'bad' BOff layout is only actually true for one of the three variants.
It's a solid, unique hull, and has the potential for the best damage in the game. It's definitely worth picking up at least one of them if you're interested.
Joined January 2010.
In regard to hating Star Trek 2009:
/facepalm
Your whole point became irrelevant when you tried to placate your pvp prowess so hard that you advocated an empty shell with a turn rate of 16 over a combination that grants a cloaking console on a fed ship for the same price of 2500 zen. (C-store T.E.R. + reduced fleet T.E.R. cost) Alternatively, you could get a solid-as-hell armitage and slot some nasty danubes into it.
Just fyi, the auto-attack difference between 4/3 and 5/2 is 2.6% within the 45 degree forward cone if you completely disregard the benefit of the extra tactical boff slot, the higher turn rate, the fact that DHCs have a 2s recharge cycle while turrets have 1s, and all that other stuff. But hey, you were (kind of) right, so feel free to affix a gold star to the burning remains of your blue potato. Today, you win the internet!
5 fore weapons slot.
very good BOff layout.
good console layout.
in pve they are better than any other fed ships.
but for pvp, a good Fleet Armitage is absolutely the ultimate overlord *_*
EXCELLENT BOff Layout.
EXCELLENT Console Layout.
0.99 Shield Mod.
35.200 Base Hull.
The Photon Point Defense (that is a One Shot Multi-Killer *_*)
And a good Hangar Bay.
I think, in pvps, the Armitage is even better than the JHAS.
People love to rag on these escorts and call them weak an waste. They are far more powerful then people give it credit for. Most people are weak because thy have no idea what to do with a universal slot so they say spam more tac, yeah that works.... These ships have massive survivablity and serviceability.
The perfect Boff Set up is the Patrol Escort. No matter how you look at it every high grade escort, EVERY ONE of them emulate the set up of the patrol Escort. So to call it inefficient, bad, wrong all of that is just wrong.
Look at the patrol Escort and look at the Universal set ups of the Bug, the Chimera, the Kumari, so on and so forth and tell me that's not trying to be the patrol escorts Survival set up.
What i never understand is why people like to say the Armitage has the perfect set up. For what and where? with it's weird little ensign tac... what goes there? And then it's commander eng slot what is it doing? Hull tanking? Yeah that works. That's exactly what we should be tanking with. Your hull.
No matter how you look at it the patrol escorts set up is a perfect set between shields and hull and with immense fire power without wondering what the hell is the tail wagging the dog for?
Atm I can say with confidence in pvp patrol escorts can fight with the best of them and win. So if you want these ships to work for you, forgo the tactical version and simple set the sci and eng up as a patrol escort and move forward.
+10 Current Weapon Power
+500 Current Weapon Power Resistance Rating for 3 sec
+500 Maximum Weapon Power Resistance Rating for 3 sec
This allows 5 DCH's to run pretty well.
The Kumari has 1k less hull, a slightly lower turn rate (1), and 1 less heal as compared to the Fleet Defiant.
You pickup 1 forward cannon but lose a rear one, and you gain a lt. tactical ability.
With the extra tactical ability you are able to run 2 cannon specials, 2 torpedo specials, 2 tactical teams, and 2 attack pattern Beta's. This setup gives you the highest possible dps potential for PvE.
I like the Andorian set b/c I enjoy switching back and forth between the Khyzon and Kumari, I really don't use the consoles b/c running phasers in PvE isn't the best recipe. I think it's well worth the 5,000 Zen.
I don't think any of the Andorian Escorts can compare with the fleet defiant in PvP, but you can run a phaser loadout with bo3, overload, hy3, and omega3 and do some serious spike damage. Gotta use the khyzon or charal though b/c you need that lt eng boff for DE with Marion so your power levels don't bottom out.